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8/1/2004 8:47:42 PM EDT
I put a 512 mb ram in the second slot.

Yes its ddr-dimm

yes its turned the right way.

yes its locked down.

no my computer isnt recognizing it. WTF?


thanks!

8/1/2004 8:49:13 PM EDT
[#1]
Take the new one out and put the old one in the second slot to see if it recognizes it.
8/1/2004 8:52:13 PM EDT
[#2]
Some computers have the BIOS setup to require you to go into the BIOS setup and acknowledge that there is in fact more (or less) RAM before windows will see it. It's so that if a memory module fails you'll know it; but it also detects if more RAM is added.

Usually when I add RAM I go into the BIOS and check there to see if the system is seeing it. I then save/update my BIOS settings and everything is Okie Dokie.
8/1/2004 8:54:56 PM EDT
[#3]
it came with 128mb.

i added 256mb to the second slot.


after i got the 512, i pulled the 128, put the 512 in slot one.

it failed to startup.

i put the 256 in slot one, and the 512 in slot 2.

it runs now, but doesnt see the 512.


my computer> view system info > 240mb or RAM


???????
8/1/2004 8:56:37 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Usually when I add RAM I go into the BIOS and check there to see if the system is seeing it. I then save/update my BIOS settings and everything is Okie Dokie.



Yo Quiero nacho bellgrande. Marke ocho. No habla whatever you just said.

When I added the 256 the first time, it id recognize the upgrade, showing (iir) 385 or so RAM

It did it auto first time.


??????
8/1/2004 8:58:30 PM EDT
[#5]
To get to your BIOS hit like F8 or whatever it is at startup. It will tell you which key to press when your comp first starts up, you have to be quick about it.
8/1/2004 8:59:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Grab the manual for your mother board.

It might need to go in  Slot 3(B1) not 2.(A2)


On edit... you've got a mess going on 128, 256, 512...
8/1/2004 8:59:44 PM EDT
[#7]
IF it will not boot up with the 512MB on its own it's either:
1. The system does not support 512mb modules
2. The module is not compatible with the motherboard
3. The module is bad.


Check the motherboard/manufacturer's specs to make sure it supports 512 and that you have the correct speed RAM. If you do, then return it for a replacement and/or a different manufacturer's module.
8/1/2004 9:00:23 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
it came with 128mb.

i added 256mb to the second slot.


after i got the 512, i pulled the 128, put the 512 in slot one.

it failed to startup.

i put the 256 in slot one, and the 512 in slot 2.

it runs now, but doesnt see the 512.


my computer> view system info > 240mb or RAM


???????



you cannot mix sets of RAM


I just tossed a 512 in my machine and it doesnt see it because the highest each of my 2 slots can see is 256 for a grand total of 512
8/1/2004 9:00:42 PM EDT
[#9]
[computer stupid]

Ok, instead of going in the other way, I found a button that says system info.

it says

total physical memory 256mb
available physical memory 78.25mb
total virtual memory 1017.48mb
available virtual memory 699.05mb



so is it there or not?


8/1/2004 9:00:50 PM EDT
[#10]
Alright, which CPU, OS, and type (name brand) of computer are you using?
8/1/2004 9:01:05 PM EDT
[#11]
Cav ... do you happen to know the make and model of your motherboard?  Also what kind of RAM is it that you bought (the 512).  DDR is a bit vague as there are many different kinds of DDR RAM.  I don't mean brand, I mean like PC3200 (which is DDR-400), etc.  It could be that the new RAM isn't compatible with your motherboard.
8/1/2004 9:02:42 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
IF it will not boot up with the 512MB on its own it's either:
1. The system does not support 512mb modules
2. The module is not compatible with the motherboard
3. The module is bad.


Check the motherboard/manufacturer's specs to make sure it supports 512 and that you have the correct speed RAM. If you do, then return it for a replacement and/or a different manufacturer's module.



[beavis]uhhhh.......ok


AMD Athlon XP 2400+


Does that help?

8/1/2004 9:03:29 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
Cav ... do you happen to know the make and model of your motherboard?  Also what kind of RAM is it that you bought (the 512).  DDR is a bit vague as there are many different kinds of DDR RAM.  I don't mean brand, I mean like PC3200 (which is DDR-400), etc.  It could be that the new RAM isn't compatible with your motherboard.



pc2700


and that is the same exact number as on my first 128 one
8/1/2004 9:05:30 PM EDT
[#14]
Ok ... and the motherboard?  If it's a brand name computer, just the make and model of the PC itself will do.
8/1/2004 9:06:50 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
On edit... you've got a mess going on 128, 256, 512...



Hey, I lifted the Lib, I was tryn to lift the computer too.


It came 128.

I added 256.


I got a 512.


I dumped the 128.


I fucked up and put the 512 in the 128 slot.

Didint start.

I put the 256 in the 128 slot, and the 512 in the 256 slot.

It is running at least.....


8/1/2004 9:07:50 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
so is it there or not?



No it's not, Virtual Memory is a combination of your swap file on the hard drive and your physical memory.


Who made your computer? what's the model #?
8/1/2004 9:10:32 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
Ok ... and the motherboard?  If it's a brand name computer, just the make and model of the PC itself will do.



uh, frys?


Great Quality System Series (yeah right) is what it says on the one page.

I have a System Information page up, but it doesnt say "Motherboard name" Would it be under soemthing else?





8/1/2004 9:13:17 PM EDT
[#18]
The motherboard name should be written on the motherboard itself, in big bold letters.
8/1/2004 9:13:42 PM EDT
[#19]
Gateway, Dell ... E-Machines ... any case badge with a manufacturer's name on it?  Operator's manual maybe?
8/1/2004 9:13:47 PM EDT
[#20]
Open the case up and shine a flashlight on the MOBO.  Give any pertinent info (probably printed on a label somewhere)
8/1/2004 9:16:26 PM EDT
[#21]
buymem.com/

8/1/2004 9:17:00 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
On edit... you've got a mess going on 128, 256, 512...



Hey, I lifted the Lib, I was tryn to lift the computer too.


It came 128.

I added 256.


I got a 512.


I dumped the 128.


I fucked up and put the 512 in the 128 slot.

Didint start.

I put the 256 in the 128 slot, and the 512 in the 256 slot.

It is running at least.....




i feel for you cav, but this is a mess!
8/1/2004 9:18:52 PM EDT
[#23]
741GX-M ??????

8/1/2004 9:21:09 PM EDT
[#24]
Now we're getting somewhere ... your motherboard does in fact use PC2700 (DDR-333) RAM up to 2 Gigabytes so the 512 module isn't too big.  It could just be bad RAM.
8/1/2004 9:21:58 PM EDT
[#25]
Does it look like this:

www.ecsusa.com/products/741gx-m.html


If that's it  and the module does not work on its own in either slot it's bad, take it back.
8/1/2004 9:23:15 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
741GX-M ??????




OK    ECS 741GX-M motherboard

Supports
MEMORY
2 x 184-pin DDR DIMM socket support up to 2 GB
Support DDR333/266 2.5V DDR SDRAM

More to follow
8/1/2004 9:26:22 PM EDT
[#27]
Whew....I wasnt caring a lot at first. Then after I have like 10 guys who know wtf is wtf I kinda got a little lot worried.

Now I feel a lot better, and I owe ALL of you a beer!. (Did I mention I may have been drinking while doing this?)


So, I dont need to do my BIOS, the 512 is a pos, is that the concensus????

8/1/2004 9:28:36 PM EDT
[#28]
Bios should auto-detect a change of RAM.
8/1/2004 9:29:30 PM EDT
[#29]
Yeah it would appear the RAM is DOA.
8/1/2004 9:30:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Are the sticks of ram made by the same people?
8/1/2004 9:31:04 PM EDT
[#31]
I think you have some broken RAM there.

Everything says it should be OK to use, but it'snot working ergo it's busted.
8/1/2004 9:33:55 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Are the sticks of ram made by the same people?



NO.

Original is TwinMOS

256 is Kings-something gate?

521 is PNY TEch.


I will take it back tommorrow...


Thanks a million fellas. And damnit, I do solemnly expect each and every one of you to tell me when you see me, "Hey you non computer mf, you owe me a beer."
8/1/2004 9:39:07 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
Are the sticks of ram made by the same people?



That shouldn't matter in this case.  I have built computers before and used mixed RAM that I had on hand with no ill result.  Mainboards with only 2 or 3 DIMM slots are usually independent of eachother unlike boards that have 4 DIMM slots where you would put matched pairs of RAM in each bay.
8/1/2004 9:39:47 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:


Thanks a million fellas. And damnit, I do solemnly expect each and every one of you to tell me when you see me, "Hey you non computer mf, you owe me a beer."



when we see you?

8/1/2004 9:41:12 PM EDT
[#35]
BTW, Cav make sure the RAM you do get is unbuffered, as your mainboard specification doesn't support buffered RAM (I d/l the board manual from ECS's website).
8/1/2004 9:51:02 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
I put a 512 mb ram in the second slot.

Yes its ddr-dimm

yes its turned the right way.

yes its locked down.

no my computer isnt recognizing it. WTF?


thanks!




RAM in many systems must be in identical sized units...

So if you don't have all 512s, it won't take it...

But first, check the seating... Then try other slots if yoiu have them...

OH, and *** TAKE OUT THE 256 AND TRY RUNNING THE 512 ONLY ***

I suspect the RAM is fine, bad ram is rare...

I also suspect your PC will not take well to having mix-n-match RAM installed...
8/1/2004 9:52:06 PM EDT
[#37]
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8/1/2004 10:44:53 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
OH, and *** TAKE OUT THE 256 AND TRY RUNNING THE 512 ONLY ***



Ok, thats weird.com

It worked fine with the original 128 & the add-on 256, diffeent manufacturers.

Wouldnt work with 512 + either of the other.


Works fine with 512 solo.


So now I have a 256 thats worthless.


8/2/2004 12:15:28 AM EDT
[#39]
Time to get another 512 then
8/2/2004 12:44:36 AM EDT
[#40]
As if I need a gig of RAM. I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer on this crap, but when looking at the CPU Performance % I am under 10%. I dont think I need anymore RAM!

Unless I find a smokin deal.

While I have all you gurus here, yes I didnt pay shit for the whole thing from Frys, but how good/bad/decent is the motherboard.

IS it my next upgrade?
8/2/2004 12:48:47 AM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
OH, and *** TAKE OUT THE 256 AND TRY RUNNING THE 512 ONLY ***



Ok, thats weird.com

It worked fine with the original 128 & the add-on 256, diffeent manufacturers.

Wouldnt work with 512 + either of the other.


Works fine with 512 solo.


So now I have a 256 thats worthless.





Like most electronics-store PCs, you have a bottom-end motherboard that will only accept identical sized RAM chips...

Next upgrade should be new MB/CPU/Video Card... In about 1-1.5yrs...
8/2/2004 12:59:45 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
OH, and *** TAKE OUT THE 256 AND TRY RUNNING THE 512 ONLY ***



Ok, thats weird.com

It worked fine with the original 128 & the add-on 256, diffeent manufacturers.

Wouldnt work with 512 + either of the other.


Works fine with 512 solo.


So now I have a 256 thats worthless.





Like most electronics-store PCs, you have a bottom-end motherboard that will only accept identical sized RAM chips...

Next upgrade should be new MB/CPU/Video Card... In about 1-1.5yrs...



He was runnging a 128 and 256 just fine.
8/2/2004 2:00:57 AM EDT
[#43]
While we are here, can somone break this down into ar terms for me? hell ak, i dont care, just english so i can understand what i am dealing with.

I upgraded my b/bc/ch (RAM)   titanium

My stock is fine. (40g + 40g slave from old sys) Colt 6 position Tele.

my barrel (motherboard). is it just exchangeable like that? swap and switch?  or is this whole thing built around it, so changing it out makes a total rebuild happen? is the chip a part of the motherboard?


ETA: And will I finally have enough computer to play Americas Army??????????????????????????????????!
8/2/2004 2:43:55 AM EDT
[#44]
Your mother board is exchangeable without having to get another processor.  However there is no need to do this at this time.  Your best next upgrade would be to add a graphics adapter especially if you want to play games.  The onboard adapter just is not capable of keeping up with a computer game.  A good choice for a light gamer
8/2/2004 3:04:48 AM EDT
[#45]
Sounds to me like you slightly botched a feed ramp polish.  I would suggest putting together a new rifle, but at least, for godsake, QUIT using that Wolf ammo.
8/2/2004 9:18:20 AM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
my barrel (motherboard). is it just exchangeable like that? swap and switch?  or is this whole thing built around it, so changing it out makes a total rebuild happen? is the chip a part of the motherboard?




Gun terms in red for your convenience Cav

Changing your motherboard IS easy, but you have to keep a few things in mind unless you plan on starting from scratch (essentially the whole computer is built around the motherboard).  If you want to keep your current processor, the new motherboard has to have a Socket 462 (also referred to as Socket A) for the processor.  Consider this the chamber.  The socket (or slot on older motherboards) dictates what "caliber" processor you can install on the motherboard.  Also it wouldn't hurt to have support up to including 400MHz FSB so you'll be able to upgrade to the latest processors in the Athlon XP class (The motherboard specs should tell you the highest speed rated processor it will accept).  Think of the FSB (which is front side bus) as a twist rate to be able to stabilize "heavier" (read faster) processors.  For example, a 266MHz twist rate won't stabilize (isn't compatible with) an Athlon XP 3000 which has a 333MHz FSB or an Athlon XP 3200 with a 400MHz FSB.

 FSB is easy to spot when you're looking at motherboard specs.  It'll be listed directly under the processor specification and be shown as something like this ... 266/333/400, which in this case means support for 266MHz, 333MHz, and 400MHz FSB.  Ex;

Processor
Caliber Socket 462 for AMD K7 Athlon XP/ Athlon/ Duron
Twist Rate FSB 266/333/400MHz

That spec will also dictate what kind of RAM you can use.  Commonly shown in m/b specs as DDR-266, DDR-333, DDR-400, etc.  Your current motherboard supports 266/333 which is PC2100 (DDR-266) and PC2700 (DDR-333), the later obviously being faster RAM.  With support for 400 you gain the advantage of being able to add PC3200 (DDR-400) RAM which is superior to what you're using now.  This spec will be shown as something similar to the following;

Memory
* 4 x 184-pin DDR DIMM socket support up to 4 GB
* Supports DDR400/333/266 unbuffered DDR SDRAM

Where the first line tells you how many slots are available to install RAM in, and what the Maximum module size (256MB, 512MB, 1GB, etc) would be for each slot.  In this example a 1GB memory stick can be installed in each slot.  The second line tells you the type of RAM supported by the motherboard.  Again the terms are interchangeable.  Where it's listed as DDR400/333/266 it could be substituted with PC3200/PC2700/PC2100.

So, if you want to keep your current components, and are considering a motherboard upgrade.  Just make sure it has Socket 462/Socket A ... 266/333(and preferably 400) and you should be good to go, with room for upgrading your other components in the future as well.

Clear as mud?




edited to fix quote tags
8/2/2004 6:26:41 PM EDT
[#47]
For the first time in my life I think I understand exactly what is goin on in there. Thanks for the detailed laymans english version.


Think I will stick to what I have for now, unless Americas Army wont play on this one.