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6/27/2004 6:00:32 AM EDT
I don't know if there is really any advice that can help me besides a boatload of actual shooting, but here goes. Yesterday I went to the range. I was shooting a Cetme with the 200 meter peep sight on the hundred yard range. The best I can do it seems is ten shots in a five inch cirle. That said, my vision is not what it used to be, and I do wear glasses. I shoot at least once a month, various handguns and rifles.   So I haven't shot this rifle in about 6 months and put sixty rounds through it yesterday.

Any tips or is this just how it is? I realize a five inch group is not bad at 100 yards for hunting or whatever, I'd just like to tighten up a little without having to shoot  2000 rounds a month, if that's possible.

For me, I love shooting, it's just that it seems like it's getting to be a job lugging all the stuff to the range, cleaning the guns afterward, etc. And, the Cetme is a b*tch to clean.
6/27/2004 6:06:02 AM EDT
[#1]
Check out this thread It's some good things to do to help with improving your shooting. But some of it may just be thats as good as the gun will shoot. It could be that it;s yer eyes ever think about an optic, be it a dot sight or a regular scope? that may help too.
6/27/2004 6:09:31 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks, I'll check it out. FWIW, the Cetme is capable of better accuracy, I think.
6/27/2004 6:30:01 AM EDT
[#3]


 Do you get better results with your other rifles?

 If so, then your cementme may not be capable of much better.


 You have to remember that they were put together from cut up used guns. They can range from unfired barrels to shot out junk.
6/27/2004 6:54:55 AM EDT
[#4]
When I hit 35 I said I surrend and went about getting good red dot and other 3-4 power optics to make shooting fun.  Let's face it, it's not much fun when you can't hit the target.  For Red Dot's stick with AimPoint or EOTech.  For 3-4 power I go with Trijicon.  If your budget won't allow there higher end products search the optics forum for suitable comprimise units.

Regards,
Gary
6/27/2004 7:04:12 AM EDT
[#5]
I shoot about the same from other rifles. This one appears to have a good bore, and it's got a cast stainless receiver.  

Here's a picture: Rifle
6/27/2004 7:48:10 AM EDT
[#6]
Well it could be a couple of things, if your CETME's trigger is like the HK91 triggers I have pulled it is pretty stiff to say the least - doesn't help your accuracy!  What kind of ammo are you shooting too, quite a bit of ball ammo produces less than stellar groups because of inconsistancies in the bullets construction, it is designed to be minute of man not angle!

The best way to tell your rifle's accuracy  to mount a scope on it and shoot it from a rest (sand bags work too) with quality bullets!

BTW, I know how you feel, I was shooting my AR the other week with Wolf ammo, didnt have a rest and my groups were less than stellar for me.
6/27/2004 7:53:43 AM EDT
[#7]
I was using some cheap soft point ammo and shooting from a rest.  I guess I really answerdd my own question. It's just my eyes probably. Maybe I'll try a scope, dunno.
6/27/2004 8:14:30 AM EDT
[#8]
After my skunk out at a shoot a few weeks ago I shouldn't talk-but shooting piles of ammo isn't going to help, focus on basics like sight picture, trigger control etc and dry firing will do more than making piles of brass will. It's a coffee table book, but Cooper's Art of the Rifle is a good primer on basics and fun to read.
6/27/2004 9:40:11 AM EDT
[#9]
some guns do not shoot moa(minute of angle)

they shoot minute of animal....
6/27/2004 9:54:49 AM EDT
[#10]
Well I do have it down to minute of deer....
6/27/2004 10:24:31 AM EDT
[#11]
You may also want to check this out: Merit Optical   Corporationl
6/27/2004 10:35:46 AM EDT
[#12]

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You may also want to check this out: Merit Optical   Corporationl



I'll do that, thanks.
6/27/2004 3:31:29 PM EDT
[#13]
A Cetme with mil-surp ammo? I'm surprised you're even on paper @ 100 yards.
6/27/2004 3:40:27 PM EDT
[#14]
Maybe you've never seen one or used one.m All the ones I've shot have been good shooters.
6/27/2004 4:04:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Aside from the fundamentals - focusing on the front sight, along with consistent breathing, aim point, and trigger squeeze, there isn't much else to work on.  As long as those are remembered, you'll bring out darn near the best in any rifle you shoot.  as others have mentioned, consider an optic.  ...Interestingly enough, i shoot so much service rifle that I find I'm able to shoot more consistently with iron sights than scoped rifles, so apparently some of it is practice.  Good luck  
6/27/2004 4:06:00 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks.
6/27/2004 4:41:13 PM EDT
[#17]
This is the place to ask that question:
Competition Shooting & the Accurate AR
www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=1&f=10