Posted: 6/21/2004 10:10:56 PM EDT
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It's the one where they shoot out a window on a plane, and they hooked up a motor to the trigger of a semi-auto pistol so they could control it remotely. But the way it rotates it appears that it would release the trigger and come back around and hit it again if left activated. That's bad juju. Definitely a "don't try this at home" moment. 
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What kind of pistol was it? BB? (Didn't see topic at hand) Are you sure it was "push/hold button = multiple shots" not keep clicking button for each shot. Just making sure as I didn't see it. What were they testing? |
Haven't seen the full-auto BB gun?   Full Auto BB Gun |
Can anyone clear this up for us? What is the verbage that actually describes a machine gun by law? Isn’t a "hell fire" some kind of burst trigger device, or is it just some kind of gadget to help you "bump fire" easier? Is an "electric trigger" a breach of the law? |
Yea...I have one  I could not stand the yellow though and gave it a Krylon face lift. I thought the guy said he just saw them load "it" with 9mm? Maybe I am confused here a bit..... 
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Illegal Machinegun -> Any weapon that fires more than one shot with a single function of the trigger... Originally, this did NOT INCLUDE electric-operated guns, so long as without the motor running it only fired single shots... The ATF 'changed their mind', later on, so now any power-operated weapon must fire only one shot per press of whatever 'firing button'... |
So......a computer-controlled turret-mounted rifle is ok, as long as it only fires once each time the AI system in control says to?  Ok...on a serious note....I thought remote-controled guns were a separate no-no from the whole machinegun issue. Oh, and anyone who would even seriously consider letting a homebrew AI run a homebrew weapons system is NUTS. Even if you didn't land in the slammer, can you imagine the lawsuits after your creation shoots something it shouldn't have? |
i thought it wasnt a machine gun because its still one bullet per trigger pull, but i could be wrong |
The way he's describing it, if you left the "trigger" depressed it would eventually fire more shots. Thus a machinegun. |
Cmon man, get with it....they are on television, which automatically makes them exempt from (see: Above) all normal laws....sheesh! :) *sarcasm....kind of* |
Didn't see it, but wonder if maybe they were using a stepper motor – That would allow them to rotate the shaft X degrees before stopping it again. They're cheap, readily available, and can provide very precise control of rotation. |
| Like the time they built a large-caliber smoothbore cannon in California (!)... I was informed by a poster that they were OK because it was muzzle-loading. Nonetheless I don't like how the show assumes the audience takes it for granted that all this "fun stuff" is legal in the USA. |
Was that the one made of wood? They blew it up after loading it with like 20# of blackpowder. Cool stuff. |
The "Chicken gun" used compressed air if I remember correctly. And it only shot one chicken at a time, then it had to be reloaded, muzzleloader too, wasn't it. They also made sabots to put around the chicken. LOL, I can see it now, a drive by with an air powered chicken shooting gun, that'd sure make the 10 O'clock news.
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Nope not the case with the mini gun as it's already a MG. What they did is create an illegal MG. The gattling gun kits are not considered MGs because you have to crank it by hand, an electronic triggering device put on a semiauto gun does in fact constitue creating an Illegal MG. However they could have gotten permission to do it beforehand from the BATFE. There is a letter or something from the ATF regarding electronic triggers and such. I'm sure somone can find it and post it. I don;t feel like doing it. |
No, remote control is not illegal seprate from the MG issue... Using a remote controlled gun as a LETHAL BOOBY TRAP is, but that's just because LETHAL BOOBY TRAPS are generallyillegal.... |
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It was a sig 9mm, with a single stack magazine. There was a motor attaced to an arm that would pull the trigger each time it rotated. He only loaded one round each time, but if it would have fired repeatedly if he loaded more than one round, thus illegal machinegun. But tv/movie people don't have to obey laws. I believe they said it was Jamie's personal sig. Probably a 239 for CCW. But, they did have to wait ten days for their bolt-action rifle. |
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About 1965, Guns & Ammo magazine ran an article about testing various .22 semi-automatic rifles to determin which designs were most efficient. They made an electric trigger, as described here, and used a moving paper target to measure cyclic rates. They ran each one at increasing rates until it maxed out. I don't remember the results, but I think I still have it at home. They CLAIMED that it was legal, which would be consistent with earlier poster who said the law - or interpretation thereof - had changed. |
| Ever see the cranks for the "Gatlin Gun" AK47s ro Ruger 10/22? They are mechanically activated. They still only fire ONE ROUND per pull of the trigger. It is just a mechanical device that 'pulls' the trigger at a faster rate of fire than your digits could do on their own. |
| I watched the episode and as slow as the motor turned i doubt anyone would consider it a machine gun. Dureing the development process they showed in detail how the motor worked. It took the motor about 5 seconds from the time he started it, until it actualy fired the gun. A normal person can empty a 10 round magazine in 5 seconds. The motor was geared so low to provide torque that it actualy operated extremely slow defeating the whole machinegun theory. |
No I think the ATF says that if the trigger has to be depressed each time to fire a round it is not a machine gun. So even if you use a motor or other device the trigger still has to come forward before it can be depressed to fired again and thus it's not a machine gun. |
You are 100% right. |