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6/20/2004 6:27:07 PM EDT
Gang, I need some assistance here.  About 2 years ago, I sent an Ishapore Enfield to a "gunsmith" to have some work done.  To make a long story short, a friend went to visit him, and picked my rifle up (most of the work I requested appears to be done).  Problem being, my amigo is in TX, and I'm in KY.  

Since it's my rifle, is there any way I can send him a Fedex call tag, and just have them pick it up.  If I were going there for a visit, I could legally ship it to myself, and then ship it home after the visit.  I suppose this would be too logical (what part of shall not be infringed does the ATF not understand) and I will have to have him ship it to an FFL.

Thanks!

Michael
6/20/2004 6:29:39 PM EDT
[#1]
FFL only for shipping from state to state.
6/20/2004 6:34:42 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm not sure that can be done without an FFL being that it would be coming from another state and from a non liscencee. As I understand 27CFR 178.31.
6/21/2004 7:01:39 AM EDT
[#3]
That's kind of what I was afraid of.  Anybody on the day crew want to offer an opinion?
6/21/2004 7:12:14 AM EDT
[#4]
The repairing dealer CAN ship your own gun to you with no FFL, as can the factory if you ever need to send your rifle in for repair/warranty/refinishing work.    

I don't know about someone else sending it back to you, sorry.  I would tell you to call ATF, but you only have a 50/50 chance that they'll be able to tell you.  
6/21/2004 9:06:48 AM EDT
[#5]
Actually, I think your friend picking it up should have been a paperworked transfer since it was not his firearm.  You can ship a firearm to yourself without FFL involvement since it is not a "transfer".  It is merely you receiving a firearm that was already transferred to you.  On hunting expeditions, the lodge or whoever can send your firearms directly back to you after your trip... it is not a transfer, therefore does not need to involve a FFL or paperwork.

At least that's how I've handled things...
-Randy
6/21/2004 9:25:08 AM EDT
[#6]
The law was broken if your friend picked it up for you without doing a 4473. None the less, the only legal way that you can receive it now is to have it shipped to a FFL and do another 4473.
6/21/2004 9:27:33 AM EDT
[#7]
Now wait, are you guys saying that I can't have a friend pick up my property from someone?  I'd like to see a cite for that please.
6/21/2004 12:46:24 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Now wait, are you guys saying that I can't have a friend pick up my property from someone?  I'd like to see a cite for that please.



Not if the guy you left it with is a FFL. If you want a cite go read the law. A dealer CANNOT transfer a firearm to a NON-FFL without doing a 4473. Even if YOU went to pick it up you would have to fill out a 4473.
6/21/2004 12:51:58 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
The law was broken if your friend picked it up for you without doing a 4473. None the less, the only legal way that you can receive it now is to have it shipped to a FFL and do another 4473.



righteo, the gunsmith should not have given it to your buddy. Have your buddy ship it to an ffl near you. I guess he could technically return it to the gunsmith, since it should not have been released to him in the first place and then have the dealer ship it to you directly, but you seem to imply that this gunsmith might be a little pokey.