[ARCHIVED THREAD] - I will never again trust (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 5/12/2004 2:35:44 AM EDT
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A muslim. Ever. After watching the Nick Berg video, I can't justify trusting them any more. Any of them. |
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After watching muslims cut the head off an American...for simply being "an American," and not hearing a chorus of muslims *here* decrying the barbarism, I wil never look at another the same way. They kill us because we are Americans. They would do to you, your wife, your children THE EXACT SAME THING if they got their hands on any of you. For this reason they will forever be an object of scorn and distrust. |
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That's how I've felt since the first world trade center bombing. Now, lets see how many people keep up with the program after their healthy cry. If it were up to me, the moon would be calling the mideast the pock faced punk of the celestial neighborhood. Who would of thought, the religion of peace strikes again. -Steve |
No such thing. If they are muslim they do not hold to national boundaries, onlu islam. They would just as well cut your throat as sell you a big gulp. "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. The Koran... should be the highest authority in America. And Islam the only accepted religion on earth...". ~ Omar M. Ahmad, Chairman of CAIR, at a rally of California Muslims in 1998. |
What took you so long? After seeing the other beheading videos, we should have all known what was coming. I'm certainly surprised it took this long for something like this to happen. History is repeating itself. |
They already are. We just need to accelerate the process. I'd love to see them come to know Jesus Christ as their Savour, but if they are going to behave in this fashion, they've chosen their destiny. We must comply with their "wishes." |
You need to educate yourself on this subject, cyanide. I recommend, "Militant Islam Reaches America" by Daniel Pipes. Dr. Pipes knows his stuff. He's a top notch expert on Islamist extremism and foreign policy. I believe that the above book is now out in soft cover. I read it. In it Dr. Pipes gets into the subject of exactly where Muslem sympathies lie. By his estimate, there is a large minority of Muslems who are sympathetic "in general" with the aims of the radicals, and approx. 10% to 15% who would actually take action to aid and abet terrorists. We're talking about the Muslem population IN THIS COUNTRY! 
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Islam wants you dead. I've said it one hundred times, but I guess pictures are more provocative. And talk about torture! I knew they would do it with a knife. That's a slow, painful death, a lot less humane than a good whack with an axe or sword. There will be no peace with that devil-inspired religion of murder on this earth. Scott |
I agree that it is a heathen religion. I really do not care that it seemed to get it's initial grass roots support here in the USA from militant blacks in prisons , (maybe because it does preach violence and hate). What I am asking is what legal coarse of action can be taken ? Keep in mind that pesky little thing ............. the Constitution. |
I too will get this book and read it. Even with this calculation, we see that those who may not actually be "sympathetic in general" are damned sure not making any noise about censuring such behaviors as we see on the Berg video by other Muslims. And I will bet dollars to donuts that those who have information on the ones who would aid and abet...as well as the ones already doing so...are not telling squat. In my eyes that makes them guilty of collaboration with the enemy. Look at the pics of the Israelis fighting the terrs in Gaza and see how many "innocent" bystanders are standing behind the guys firing the rifles and RPGs...would they have us believe they are so stupid as to not realize they are placing themselves in danger there? Not hardly! They are there for PR benefit...and to maybe get the Israelis to hold their fire. Collaboration as well. I can only wonder what it will take to make the majority of US citizens realize that this is not just some sort of temporary "phase" we are going through with these people...it is war...war to the knife, the rock, the tooth and the nail. They understand it just fine...why can't we? |
We Live soft and easy lives (no matter how rough your life is guys, it is light years easier and better than the savages we are in a war with), we desperately want our lives to stay the same, since we worked so hard to achieve what we have, we don't want to lose one bit of it. We feel that we might be able to finish this problem the easy way, what ever that easy way might be. W emight be able to be reasonable with the people who want nothing more than us dead. It is going to take a couple more 9/11's to start bringing us to our sense, if the enemy is wise, they will not attack us that way for a few years yet, and they are patient enough to wait that long. We have short memories; no wait, we have memories like mosquitoes. ALready 9/11 is a distant memory to most Americans. When they start blowing up our children in their school buses, when they are blowing up our wives in the shopping malls, we might start realizing that there really is no negotiating with these people. While there are quite a number of Muslims in America, they are not Americans, not if they are Muslims. We need to remember this. We need to do somethign about this. What can we do? |
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heilo, I stated yesterday that as soon as the islamic terror groups figure out the media throttles the pussification pressure point, they will be right here in America operating the same with they did with Nick Berg. Random kidnappings of people out of grocery stores and malls. Videotaped executions right here in America. It's coming. |
I will publically say that at that point I will not tolerate any muslims within striking distance of my family, I will use every cent I own or can gather to have that threat eliminated. |
You're absolutely correct, ikor. Pipes discusses this. In his view there is an even bigger war going on right now than the war on terrorism. There is a war going on WITHIN Islam for the hearts and minds of Muslems between those Muslems who believe that the model for the future of Islam lies with the Islamic extremists and the creation of more states like Iran and those Muslems who believe that the future for Islam lies with the creation of more secular Islamic states such as Egypt and Turkey (a long time ally of ours, BTW). The outcome of this philosophical battle will largely dictate how wide and violent the war on terrorism ultimately becomes. 
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| I grew up in Detroit and was taught to be prejudice, hearing the "N" word all the time and talk about "those people". When I was in my early 20's I fell in love with and mairred a Hispanic lady. In time my parents came to accept and love her same as I do. I over came my prejudice for the most part even though I still have trouble with Vietnamessee. At one point I thought about making a study of islam because I like to study different religions of the world but now I have no respect for muslims at all. I couldn't care less about islam or muslims, in fact if they'd all drop off of the planet tomorrow it'd be fine with me. I've always tried to be tollerent and respectful of other religions but I have lost my tollerence for islam. Any group that would hold to a believe system that would allow them to saw the head off of another human being is a flawed system and needs to be wiped from the earth. There have been many religions that have faded into non-exsistance in the past, the Aztecs and Incas religions come to mind so for another to pass from exsistance, especially such a violent one, would not be a bad thing at all. Personally if I had my way we'd be hearding every muslim in this country onto boats and shipping them back to their country of origin. If they refused to go alive then they'd go dead, it doesn't matter to me anymore. I hate bullies, I will not tolerate a bully. It would cause me not one sleepless night to end the life of a bully. People who prey on other peoples fears do not deserve to live and by their actions the perpatrators that cut, no, sawed the head off of Nick Berg do not deserve to breath the same air that decent human being do. I'm sick and tired of being told to be tollerent of others when the others have no tollerence or respect for me or my fellow countrymen. I'm sick of our government, that does noting to stop such things from happening and won't take harsher action against such a brutal people. One thing that we must learn, muslims are all brothers of the faith, they stick together right or wrong. There is no such thing as a "good" muslim unless he is a dead muslim. Islam must not be tollerated in this country any more. The time has come to rise up and stamp out islam in this country. |
I'm with that! |
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One of my good friends is muslim. I trust her with my life. My uncle and auntie are muslim too. These 3 people are the only muslims I personally have a relationship with, and they are the among the nicest people I know. It is hard, however, to know that as Muslims, I believe they are going to hell. When there is a shooting in America or something, everyone here denounces Americans as crazy, gun toting, violent hilbillies. Do I? No, because I know better than to judge a people by the actions of a few. I'm just as angered as you are. No human deserves to be treated that way, but I believe that you must look beyond your anger and see that nomatter what group of people, there will always be dickheads that ruin the image of the group. I dont intend to incite any flaming or any thread hijacking. I wish to leave it as that, my own opinion. I will be praying for this man and his family. |
| The trouble with islam and muslims isn't the people, it's the believes they hold. ALL muslims hold that they are suppeior to the "infidels" and that they have the right to do what ever they want to an infidel. If you are not muslim you are little better then a dog. This is the problem as I see it. If islam wasn't such a violent religion then you might be able to salave some of them but jihad is a part of every muslims life. They ALL hold to the believe that to die for allah is the most honorable way to die, remember the 72 virgins and all. |
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There are muslims, then there are muslims. The 1% who have chosen the Islamic faith on their own, and follow it in much the same way that many consider themselves Christians though they don't practice it, are not the target of my anger. The other 99%, whether they are in Iraq or America, building their communities and taking our country a piece at a time, I am through with them. Their actions, and sometimes lack of reactions, has earned them my disdain until the day I die. |
I just watched the Nick Berg video. I also would like for the Muslims to meet Jesus. Face to face and as soon as possible!
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TheMacCallan posted this quote in the "CAIR" Thread. It really struck a chord with me. "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth." ~ Omar M. Ahmad, Chairman of CAIR, at a rally of California Muslims in 1998. How can we trust these m-fers? |
| If you think of islam today in the same light we looked at communisim in the 50's you'll have a better understanding of what needs to be done. Islam isn't just a religion where you go to "church" once a week to make you feel good. It's a "weed religion" like kudzu is here in the south. Kudzu takes over and covers everything in it's path, trees, grass, flowers, everything until all you see is the kudzu and everything else is choked out and dies. The only way to handle kudzu is to kill it, root and all. You can't leave a speck of it or it'll grow back. |
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Ladies and germs, this is America. That means that you get to worship however you please, and so does everybody else. You don't have to like someone else's religion, but you do have to tolerate it. Do I agree with Islam? Hell no. Do I think that people get to practice it if they want to? Hell yeah. So back the hell down with your holier than thou religious elitism. When somebody shoots at you, you get to kill 'em. But if you think wiping out an entire group of people is the answer, then you are the enemy. Now don't get me wrong, if you're talking about killing armed, dangerous, head-chopping Allah Akbar screaming terrorists, I volunteer to pull the trigger. But a lot of you guys are talking about women and children; the whole "nits make lice" argument. If you think that it's ever okay to kill a kid, then you're gonna have to come through me. You take a look at a kid today when you're walking around. White, black, red, yellow, brown, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist... kids and women are always deserve mercy (unless they're shooting at you). The good guys protect women and children, and are gracious to their defeated enemy. Nothing should ever change that. That's what makes us the good guys. |
Interesting point, but at what stage do you say, this is not a religion, because.......................... We may have reached that stage, I mean does it fit the context of religions ?? Does it preach what all bona fide religions preach ..... peace, good will, serenity toward all ???? |
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I agree, where is the American Islam outcry? There aint one beacuse they agree with and condone this. Islamic law only applies to islam. Mohammed executed POWs and ordered the deaths of hundreds captured. What would we expect his followers to do when the leaders of the Islamic communities openly declare war on the infidel here? Trust? Trust them to do what they will do, just like you trust that a rock will fall when it is dropped. If course you trust the rock, only dont be so naive as to believe that it will not hurt you if it is dropped on your foot. This is a huge problem, most americans are to complacent to really care. I care, I am armed, I can defend myself, I understand the use of pre-emptive strikes. Lebrew |
| I think you need to read some of the Old Testament pard. GOD(the Lord God Jehova him self) told the Isralites to wipe out their enemies totally, every man, woman and child, heck he even said to kill the animals. It's because he knew, in his ifinite wisdom, that people like that are a sickness on this planet and that if allowed to live would grow into a plague on the earth that would kill everything that it touched. Let me say this for the record. If any other religion started spouting the same crap that islam is spouting now I'd call for that religion to be wiped from the planet as well. It's a matter of survival, you can't be tollerent in a life and death situation. You have to do what needs to be done in order to survive. You and anyone else that thinks like you are more then welcome to get on the boat with the muslims and go back to islam land. If you're not for us then we don't need ya' pard. |
Interesting. |