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4/11/2004 6:55:12 PM EDT
This is an actual question appearing on police oral boards. It's been used by the Michigan State Police for years. When my buddy had the MSP oral board the question was asked by a black female on the board.

Q: You are on patrol and see two cars speeding. One is driven by a black male, the other by an elderly white couple. Which car do you stop, and why?

"Correct" answer: Neither car. Because both cars are speeding, stopping either car would be lawfull, under the 4th admendmant. However, by selecting one car over the other, you would be violating the equal protection clause of the 14th admendmant. During any enforcement action. Both the 4th and the 14th admendmants must be considered when determining if the stop was lawfull.
4/11/2004 6:57:37 PM EDT
[#1]
I think michael savage said it best, "political correctness will kill us."
4/11/2004 7:03:23 PM EDT
[#2]
So I guess the message this sends is: Commit crimes only in racially and ethnically diverse groups?
4/11/2004 7:04:10 PM EDT
[#3]
Get both.  Pull over the closest one and radio ahead to nail the other car.
4/11/2004 7:05:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Considering that in about 98 % of all stops you don't ID the drivers race, sex, etc until the stop is already underway and you've walked up to the drivers window, the question is meaningless and has nothing to do with how we really do our jobs.
4/11/2004 7:10:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Hmmm.... I've seen cops pull over 2-3 cars at once. Why not BOTH???
4/11/2004 7:12:04 PM EDT
[#6]
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I think michael savage said it best, "political correctness will kill us."
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It already has, judging from the way the media report racial issues.
4/11/2004 7:15:02 PM EDT
[#7]
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Get both.  Pull over the closest one and radio ahead to nail the other car.
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That would be my suggestion.
4/11/2004 7:17:42 PM EDT
[#8]
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Get both.  Pull over the closest one and radio ahead to nail the other car.
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The nearest officer for me is about half an hour away. Its one, both or neither all by myself. Nice thought though.
4/11/2004 7:28:17 PM EDT
[#9]
Couldn't you have an alternating system like "Hmm I pulled over the black dude last night, so tonight I should pick the white couple"
4/11/2004 7:46:51 PM EDT
[#10]
That's an easy one.  You go for the one in front of course.  Better chance of a pursuit that way [:D]
4/11/2004 8:06:13 PM EDT
[#11]

So if two cars are drag racing at 110mph - the cop shouldn't try to pull over either one and should instead just go back to eating his donuts? [rolleyes]

Don't look at the driver's face until after you've pulled the guy over. [;)]


[u]Correct Answer[/u]: Pursue the closest one too you. [brick]

Dumbfucking PC bullshit. [;D]
4/11/2004 8:18:46 PM EDT
[#12]
Oh, see, I thought the 14th was equal protection under the LAW

but since these folks are BREAKING THE LAW, what protection are you talking about?  You should be able to pull over either damn one you please.
4/11/2004 8:50:38 PM EDT
[#13]
Have another donut.
4/11/2004 9:11:18 PM EDT
[#14]
This is cool. I know a black guy with a lead foot. If we convoy everywhere we go, we'll never get stopped!
4/11/2004 9:21:13 PM EDT
[#15]
*AHEM*

"Nuke them from orbit. It is the only way to be sure."

Thank you for your attention.
4/11/2004 9:37:11 PM EDT
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4/11/2004 10:12:35 PM EDT
[#17]
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Considering that in about 98 % of all stops you don't ID the drivers race, sex, etc until the stop is already underway and you've walked up to the drivers window, the question is meaningless and has nothing to do with how we really do our jobs.
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Thats the same bs the cops said on 60minutes when questioned about racial profiling. Funny thing, I can tell race in a car at 65 mph, but a cop cant?

[bs]
4/11/2004 10:23:14 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Considering that in about 98 % of all stops you don't ID the drivers race, sex, etc until the stop is already underway and you've walked up to the drivers window, the question is meaningless and has nothing to do with how we really do our jobs.
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Thats the same bs the cops said on 60minutes when questioned about racial profiling. Funny thing, I can tell race in a car at 65 mph, but a cop cant?

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Then how are they catching people on the move with their seat belts off?
4/11/2004 10:25:59 PM EDT
[#19]
On day shift I generally can see driver before deciding to stop. Tinted windows and darkness make it nearly impossible though.
4/11/2004 10:34:06 PM EDT
[#20]
Well, I've stopped two at once before--not too bright, but there ya are.
I'd stop whoever was behind--the closest, as I personally reckon I'd let the one with the grapes to be in front go on his/her way.
But my "PC" answer to an oral board would be "I would stop the one in front, because as I stopped that person, the one who was following would at least get the visual deterrent of seeing an officer conduct a traffic, which statistically reduces the other driver's chance of violating traffic laws for at least two miles."
'Suppose they were even with each other, Mr. McDrinkerbean?'
"In that case, sir, I would stop the vehicle in the left lane if he/she appeared to be passing the other vehicle, as that driver would be the more likely to cause an accident.  If they were even for a period of time that indicated that neither was passing the other, then I would stop the vehicle in the rightmost lane, purely for safety reasons, to minimize the chances of the driver pulling sharply to the right and thereby causing an accident."
Of course, outside of accidents, where I am required to cite if one driver appears at fault, I haven't issued a ticket since the summer of 2001.
4/11/2004 10:35:18 PM EDT
[#21]
My cheif makes one of the A.C.'s check the tickets and figure out the ratios of tickets given to different racial groups.  What a tool.   Your tax dollars at work.
4/11/2004 10:55:44 PM EDT
[#22]
Reading the question, the car that takes 2 people to drive it.
4/12/2004 7:50:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
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Considering that in about 98 % of all stops you don't ID the drivers race, sex, etc until the stop is already underway and you've walked up to the drivers window, the question is meaningless and has nothing to do with how we really do our jobs.
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Thats the same bs the cops said on 60minutes when questioned about racial profiling. Funny thing, I can tell race in a car at 65 mph, but a cop cant?

[bs]
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That is, however, the fact of the matter.
As for seatbelts, you can catch a flash of the buckle in the window, but we generally only enforce that through checkpoints.