Posted: 3/14/2004 9:43:04 AM EDT
| If the Bible is literal and everything is in there, where did Cain's wife come from? |
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Quoted: If the Bible is literal [red]and everything is in there[/red], where did Cain's wife come from? Who said everything is in there? My Bible has no instructions on how to clean an AR15. [:D] Just kidding with you, but no Bible scholar says that everything is covered in the Bible. But if something [u]is[/u] covered, it is correct. As Shane333 pointed out, we can [b]surmise[/b] that he married a sister or cousin, but the Bible doesn't say. If he did, the genetic problems of marrying a close relative would have been minimal due to the purity of the generic make-up of the people at that point. |
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Quoted: The_Macallan, Adam had no mother and is as you so astutely mentioned, the only biblical exception. Apparently Adam wasn’t having his best day when he named her. Though he probably thought it was the best day of his life. [:D] But seriously, I just don't necessarily believe that Eve was the mother of ALL humans afterwards. There's nothing in the Bible that says there were NOT other humans (or human-like creatures) who could have interbred with Adam & Eve's descendants. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If the Bible is literal [red]and everything is in there[/red], where did Cain's wife come from? Who said everything is in there? My Bible has no instructions on how to clean an AR15. [:D] Just kidding with you, but no Bible scholar says that everything is covered in the Bible. But if something [u]is[/u] covered, it is correct. As Shane333 pointed out, we can [b]surmise[/b] that he married a sister or cousin, but the Bible doesn't say. If he did, the genetic problems of marrying a close relative would have been minimal due to the purity of the generic make-up of the people at that point. I have met some Protestants that tell me 1. The Bible is LITERAL and totally correct. 2. Everything is in the Bible, there is nothing else. I beleive in sybolism and tradition in addition to Scripture. I was just seeing how the Literalists justified where Cain's wife came from. This is not a slam I just like to hear other people's views. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the Bible is literal [red]and everything is in there[/red], where did Cain's wife come from? Who said everything is in there? My Bible has no instructions on how to clean an AR15. [:D] Just kidding with you, but no Bible scholar says that everything is covered in the Bible. But if something [u]is[/u] covered, it is correct. As Shane333 pointed out, we can [b]surmise[/b] that he married a sister or cousin, but the Bible doesn't say. If he did, the genetic problems of marrying a close relative would have been minimal due to the purity of the generic make-up of the people at that point. I have met some Protestants that tell me 1. The Bible is LITERAL and totally correct. [red]2. Everything is in the Bible, there is nothing else. [/red] I beleive in sybolism and tradition in addition to Scripture. I was just seeing how the Literalists justified where Cain's wife came from. This is not a slam I just like to hear other people's views. No problem. Regarding your comment #2 above, I believe that you might have misunderstood the Protestant view. No main-line Protestant theologian believes that [u]everything[/u] is covered in the Bible, the example of how to clean an AR15 being a good example. What they may have implied is that "everything we need to know about God and His salvation plan for man" is included in the Bible. That is the common Protestant view regarding the completeness of the Bible. It is complete in regards to God's Gospel. |
| That is what I meant. However if the beginning of Genesis is literal and the only people mentioned are Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel and then Cain's wife, where did she come from. There is no mention of other children and there are not supposed to be other people. Later on there are more wives for the grandchildren. I was wondering how the literalist explained it. I suppose one could say Adam and Eve had other children but when I read Genesis that explaination just doesn't fit for me. |
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Quoted: That is what I meant. However if the beginning of Genesis is literal and the only people mentioned are Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel and then Cain's wife, where did she come from. There is no mention of other children and there are not supposed to be other people. Later on there are more wives for the grandchildren. I was wondering how the literalist explained it. I suppose one could say Adam and Eve had other children but when I read Genesis that explaination just doesn't fit for me. Well sherrick13, as you often do, you raise a good question. [:D] The true answer is: "I don't know. The Bible doesn't say." I can guess, but it is just a guess. Now maybe another good question is: Why didn't God explain this issue? I believe the answer is that God knew that it wasn't really important for us to know the answer to this question. Especially as regards our salvation (which is really the most important matter), we don't need to know the answer to this question. There are many other questions like this. What about dinosaurs? What about life on other planets? Etc, etc. The answer to all of them is, we might be curious, but God, in His infinite wisdom, knew that we really didn't need to know the answers. So, he didn't cover them in the Bible. But everything that we [u]did[/u] need to know is well-covered. I will trust His wisdom and just remain curious about the other issues. [:D] |
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Quoted: If the Bible is literal and everything is in there, where did Cain's wife come from? His sister. Incest was not forbidden until the law was handed down some 2500 years later. Genetic similarity was not a problem while the gene pool was young. God gives us rules for our own protection not just to ruin our fun. Planerench out. |
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There are two creation stories in Gen1&2, Man was told to do certain thing that Adam was not. We dont know how long that period was. We do know that we have no record of modern type agriculture until 6k years ago. Cain said to God, "when they find me, they will kill me" Who are "they"? We get the same discussions when discusing Noah's flood. All man did not come from his three sons either. If thats what is taught, that is evolution in its highest form. I recomend for true students wanting to learn do the following, contact: Scriptures for America p0 box 766, Laporte, CO. 80535 USA Ask for the true creation story. Man and then Adam. And "What Noah's flood was not." I also recomend the booklet "How to become a Christian" |
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Quoted: Quoted: That is what I meant. However if the beginning of Genesis is literal and the only people mentioned are Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel and then Cain's wife, where did she come from. There is no mention of other children and there are not supposed to be other people. Later on there are more wives for the grandchildren. I was wondering how the literalist explained it. I suppose one could say Adam and Eve had other children but when I read Genesis that explaination just doesn't fit for me. Well sherrick13, as you often do, you raise a good question. [:D] The true answer is: "I don't know. The Bible doesn't say." I can guess, but it is just a guess. Now maybe another good question is: Why didn't God explain this issue? I believe the answer is that God knew that it wasn't really important for us to know the answer to this question. Especially as regards our salvation (which is really the most important matter), we don't need to know the answer to this question. There are many other questions like this. What about dinosaurs? What about life on other planets? Etc, etc. The answer to all of them is, we might be curious, but God, in His infinite wisdom, knew that we really didn't need to know the answers. So, he didn't cover them in the Bible. But everything that we [u]did[/u] need to know is well-covered. I will trust His wisdom and just remain curious about the other issues. [:D] Well put [B]Old_Painless[/B]. |
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for those who want to explore this topic further, i suggest you get a copy of "The Lost Books of THE BIBLE & The Forgotten Books of Eden", (no author)..., then there is this one, "The Apocrypha" translated by Edgar Goodspeed......... both very good books, informative & quite provocative !!!!! BTW, Luluwa was Abels wife !! |
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Quoted: Quoted: That is what I meant. However if the beginning of Genesis is literal and the only people mentioned are Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel and then Cain's wife, where did she come from. There is no mention of other children and there are not supposed to be other people. Later on there are more wives for the grandchildren. I was wondering how the literalist explained it. I suppose one could say Adam and Eve had other children but when I read Genesis that explaination just doesn't fit for me. Well sherrick13, as you often do, you raise a good question. [:D] The true answer is: "I don't know. The Bible doesn't say." I can guess, but it is just a guess. Now maybe another good question is: Why didn't God explain this issue? I believe the answer is that God knew that it wasn't really important for us to know the answer to this question. Especially as regards our salvation (which is really the most important matter), we don't need to know the answer to this question. There are many other questions like this. What about dinosaurs? What about life on other planets? Etc, etc. The answer to all of them is, we might be curious, but God, in His infinite wisdom, knew that we really didn't need to know the answers. So, he didn't cover them in the Bible. But everything that we [u]did[/u] need to know is well-covered. I will trust His wisdom and just remain curious about the other issues. [:D] Ok, howabout another question. If everything in the Bible is necassary than why the extreme detail in the end of Exodus about the altar and measurements and the splashing of blood and which fatty parts are ok to eat and not ok to eat? |
| I think when someone says that the Bible has "everything in it", they are referring to the fact that no matter what type of problem you are having in life, you can find the answer in there. Before the example of cleaning an AR is used again, I am saying that it is an instruction book for life not a mechanical instruction book. |
| The Old Testement traces the brith of the Jewish Race, as such we can conclude that Adam and Eve were created by God as the first Jews, not necessarly the first humans. You can trace the line from Adam to Jesus(who was also a Jew)but Gentiles(the rest of us) could have very well already been here on this planet before Adam and Eve were placed here. Another thing to think about is the "Sons of God" mating with the "Daughters of Men", from all that I've been able to come up with the "Sons of God" were Angles that had sex with humans and spawned a super race(giants)this could very well be where myths of Hercules and others came from. So much for Angles being sexless, seems like they do just fine in that department. |
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sherrick13, Here is the answer to your biblical question with a biblical answer. Personally I’m a little surprised that someone else did not answer this easy question for you earlier. Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters as did Seth and many others in Genesis. However throughout most of Genesis only the order of the sons are mentioned. Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: Genesis 5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: |
| And that's another thing. All this "he lived 800 years,and this other guy lived 750 yrs." BULL CRAP, somewhere, somehow they've got something very wrong in translation. There isn't any way that a person could live that long, even given good health and I'll tell ya' why---TEETH. No way would a persons teeth last that long. On a good day I'd give a person 100 years and all of their teeth would have fallen out. So you're trying to tell me that if a guy lived for 800 years(more like 80 years I'd bet) but if he did live for 800 years he'd have had to have lived 700 of them without any teeth and I just don't see that happening. Move the decimal point one place to the left and you'll get a more realistic picture of how old they were. |
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TNFrank, There was no race called Jew’s until some time after the Israelites had left Egypt and took the city of Jerusalem. In Egypt they where called Israelites or the Hebrews. Most theologians would say Abraham was the first Jew because he was given the sign of the covenant of circumcision by God even though he was called a Hebrew. Genesis 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. Genesis 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. Genesis 17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him. Can you imagine? Abraham gets all of his people together which where a lot of people at that time because he had lots of slaves. He tells them how God was going to bless them and multiply them. He then tells God is going to give them a sign of their covenant to separate them from the rest of the world. Now pull down your pants and close your eyes and think happy thoughts. [:)] |
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TNFrank, Some parrots have a lifespan in excess of 200 years and by some estimates the box turtle has a lifespan between 350-500 years. I don’t see what’s so hard to believe. If your cells replaced themselves a little faster you would live forever barring trauma or sickness. |
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Quoted: sherrick13, Here is the answer to your biblical question with a biblical answer. Personally I’m a little surprised that someone else did not answer this easy question for you earlier. Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters as did Seth and many others in Genesis. However throughout most of Genesis only the order of the sons are mentioned. Genesis 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: Genesis 5:7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: Yeah, way back when these books were being written, woman, and/or girls weren't "worth mentioning" they were property, first of their fathers, later of their husbands. I'd like to add, that IF one believes in the validity of the "Lost Books Of the Bible" - some DO seem valid, others pretty much do NOT... the thing one needs to, IMO keep in mind about the bible is each "chapter" is either a small book, unto itself, or a letter (Corinthians, for instance a letter to the Church at Corinth) ... all these "books" and letters were assembled by a bunch of old priestly sorts some time ago, and long AFTER Jesus was killed. (2-300 years as I recall ... ) - I'm speaking of the New Testament, the OLD Testament is mostly the Jewish Talmud, only the old priests didn't like a few books, and what they said, so they "dumped" them as irrelevant. So these old guys were colored by their "time" much as we are, today, by ours. Anyway, The Dead Sea Scrolls, have chapters that had Cain "marrying" Abel's twin sister, and Cain's twin sister "marrying" Seth. They are still trying to put together a LOT of the Dead Sea Scrolls... as some had a lot of water damage - but what was well intact, is in that book. - they're even using genetics to determine what "pieces" are from which scroll, so they can try to piece `em back together ... it's kinda cool. (They are written MOSTLY on "leathers" - mostly, I BELIEVE goat skins ... though the "goat" part is just a vague remembrance from a History Channel show on the Dead Sea Scrolls I watched a while back (probably a year or better). Oh, and I forget who said it, but I think when it is said the bible is "complete" it is meant as "God's Plan for us" and the "way of salvation" not so much, "all your Q's ever will be answered" - though That'd be cool ;) |
| Parrots and Turtles don't have teeth now do they. I can't see how anyone can get proper nutrition without chewing their food and you can chew without teeth. You only get two sets, baby teeth and your finial adult teeth, when they're gone you're screwed. Now if we got a new set of teeth every 30 years or so(something God should have thought about and that I think is a really bad flaw in the making of man.)then I could see how you COULD live to be very old but without them I don't see how you can. |
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Quoted: There are two creation stories in Gen1&2, Man was told to do certain thing that Adam was not. We dont know how long that period was. We do know that we have no record of modern type agriculture until 6k years ago. Cain said to God, "when they find me, they will kill me" Who are "they"? We get the same discussions when discusing Noah's flood. All man did not come from his three sons either. If thats what is taught, that is evolution in its highest form. I recomend for true students wanting to learn do the following, contact: Scriptures for America p0 box 766, Laporte, CO. 80535 USA Ask for the true creation story. Man and then Adam. And "What Noah's flood was not." I also recomend the booklet "How to become a Christian" Hmmm. Great reference. [%|] [url]http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/Peters.asp?xpicked=2&item=8[/url] [b]Pete Peters has been a leading anti-Jewish, anti-minority and anti-gay propagandist. He is a proponent of Christian Identity, which argues that Jews are spiritually degraded and pose a threat to civilization, that blacks and other people of color are inferior to whites, that homosexuals should be executed and that northern European whites and their American descendants are the "chosen people" of scriptural prophecy. Events sponsored by Peters and his church have assembled many of the nation's most active Identity champions. [/b] |
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Quoted: And that's another thing. All this "he lived 800 years,and this other guy lived 750 yrs." BULL CRAP, somewhere, somehow they've got something very wrong in translation. There isn't any way that a person could live that long, even given good health and I'll tell ya' why---TEETH. No way would a persons teeth last that long. On a good day I'd give a person 100 years and all of their teeth would have fallen out. So you're trying to tell me that if a guy lived for 800 years(more like 80 years I'd bet) but if he did live for 800 years he'd have had to have lived 700 of them without any teeth and I just don't see that happening. Move the decimal point one place to the left and you'll get a more realistic picture of how old they were. Quoted: Parrots and Turtles don't have teeth now do they. I can't see how anyone can get proper nutrition without chewing their food and you can chew without teeth. You only get two sets, baby teeth and your finial adult teeth, when they're gone you're screwed. Now if we got a new set of teeth every 30 years or so(something God should have thought about and that I think is a really bad flaw in the making of man.)then I could see how you COULD live to be very old but without them I don't see how you can. I know a guy who is about 60 yrs old and has not had any teeth since he was a 12 yrs old. How does he get proper nutrition. He gums it. Old geezer eats steak, chicken, pork you name it and he gums it. I have seen him eat many a meal w/ NO TEETH. You better come up with a stronger argument than that "BULL CRAP". One other thing is that during bible times they would not have had the refined sugary stuff like cokes, twinkys, ding dongs and crap like that. |
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Quoted: Parrots and Turtles don't have teeth now do they. I can't see how anyone can get proper nutrition without chewing their food and you can chew without teeth. You only get two sets, baby teeth and your finial adult teeth, when they're gone you're screwed. Now if we got a new set of teeth every 30 years or so(something God should have thought about and that I think is a really bad flaw in the making of man.)then I could see how you COULD live to be very old but without them I don't see how you can. Yeah, but I'm 37 and as of last year, I had a total of one cavity ... I've been to the "dentist" maybe a total of 5 times in my life ... and 2 of those "times" were because I needed wisdom teeth pulled (last year). I've had my teeth "cleaned" 3 times. I grew up in a small village that doesn't "do" fluoride in its water ... when I moved to the "big city" I rarely drank water ... (mostly milk and Coke - (NOT together;) or soda water) . Now I know 37 is a LONG way from 800 ... but one cavity, and it's not even anything I ever noticed, the dentist caught it when I went to get my wisdom teeth pulled. So, I'm not seeing this argument as a hugely valid argument. Reasonable theory, yeah. Valid argument, Nah. No offense. YMMV |
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Kacer, Excellent point that reminded me of something. My wife’s mother married and moved to Nantucket Island 9 years ago. She had all her teeth pulled when she was 16 years old and she is 91 years old right now and as healthy as a horse. Back to Nantucket; her husband who died last year was born and raised on the island and at 99 he still had all of his own teeth. My wife’s mother has met many elderly who where born on the island and nearly all of them (she is not afraid to ask) have all of their own teeth. |