Posted: 3/7/2004 7:25:11 PM EDT
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This is my alter ego posting right now... First, look at these sites: www.russianstonecompany.com/faq.html or this one: www.russianbrilliants.net/introduction.html Question #1: Anybody know anyone who has bought one of these? (NOT a cubic zicconia...) What did they look like? Did their fiance ever figure it out? Question #2: Will I go to Hell for pawning off one of these as a diamond? (The saved $ will go toward her student loans and a nest egg, so it isn't like I am buying a new AR for myself with the cash saved...) |
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They aren't "real synthetic" diamonds. A company called GEMESIS is doing that now in Florida. These are some sort of "stabilized" cubic zirconia. I am TRYING to find out if they will DULL like a CZ after a few months in sunlight. Yes, I have read the post [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=225784&page=2[/url] about the diamond cartel called DEBEERS. I am just hoping to find out if this is too good to be true, as the price suggests. I have emailed a few of the jewelers from various posts to get their opinions. I think I might pick one up, BUT I WANT TO KNOW OF ANYONE WITH EXPERIENCE WITH THESE!!! Then again, it might be me giving you guys a "Well, she hasn't figured it out yet" post... |
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There was a thread going on here in Dec about diamonds. There is quite a markup in the stores. You might find it interesting. Do a search. Obscene markup would be a better term. Diamonds are the biggest scam in the history of mankind. 1. They ain’t the least bit rare. 2. The supply and prices are controlled by a cartel; if the cartel ever breaks they will be nearly worthless. Did their fiance ever figure it out? I know a couple for guys who got caught passing off fake diamonds to their girls… some less trusting (more mercenary) girlfriends will have them checked so proceed with caution. |
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Quoted: They aren't "real synthetic" diamonds. A company called GEMESIS is doing that now in Florida. These are some sort of "stabilized" cubic zirconia. I am TRYING to find out if they will DULL like a CZ after a few months in sunlight. FYI, Gemesis bought their technogy to make large synthetic diamonds from the Russians. For all you know, this might be the same process. |
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Female viewpoint: If you can't afford a diamond, go for another (real) gemstone. Starting a marriage off with a falsehood is not exactly building a strong foundation. I would be much happier with a sapphire (it's what Prince Charles gave to Diana, after all!) or something like that than a fake diamond. There are several reasons that it might get found out - what if she decides to add it to the insurance policy, for instance, which requires an appraisal? That said, I'm quite interested in the "real" fakes I've read about. From what I understand, they're not white diamonds, but colored (yellow, maybe?), which I'd love to have. What's the name of the company who's making them, anyone know? |
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Gemesis. [url]http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond.html[/url] Aron Weingarten brings the yellow diamond up to the stainless steel jeweler's loupe he holds against his eye. We are in Antwerp, Belgium, in Weingarten's marbled and gilded living room on the edge of the city's gem district, the center of the diamond universe. Nearly 80 percent of the world's rough and polished diamonds move through the hands of Belgian gem traders like Weingarten, a dealer who wears the thick beard and black suit of the Hasidim. "This is very rare stone," he says, almost to himself, in thickly accented English. "Yellow diamonds of this color are very hard to find. It is probably worth 10, maybe 15 thousand dollars." "I have two more exactly like it in my pocket," I tell him. He puts the diamond down and looks at me seriously for the first time. I place the other two stones on the table. They are all the same color and size. To find three nearly identical yellow diamonds is like flipping a coin 10,000 times and never seeing tails. "These are cubic zirconium?" Weingarten says without much hope. "No, they're real," I tell him. "But they were made by a machine in Florida for less than a hundred dollars." Weingarten shifts uncomfortably in his chair and stares at the glittering gems on his dining room table. "Unless they can be detected," he says, "these stones will bankrupt the industry." |
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Quoted: Female viewpoint: If you can't afford a diamond, go for another (real) gemstone. Starting a marriage off with a falsehood is not exactly building a strong foundation. I would be much happier with a sapphire (it's what Prince Charles gave to Diana, after all!) or something like that than a fake diamond. There are several reasons that it might get found out - what if she decides to add it to the insurance policy, for instance, which requires an appraisal? That said, I'm quite interested in the "real" fakes I've read about. From what I understand, they're not white diamonds, but colored (yellow, maybe?), which I'd love to have. What's the name of the company who's making them, anyone know? I agree. If you feel you have to lie to your fiance. Don't marry her. If she is the type that will say "yes" or say "no" based on the quality of her gem then don't marry her. If she even cares about how much you SPEND on the ring then don't marry her. |
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Wired had an artical as above shows, and 20/20 or 60 min did a story on these as well. You cannot tell them from a real diamond because they are a real diamond just man made. The way they tell them apart right now is they are too perfect. you can have 100 or 1000 all exactly the same no inclusions, all the same grade, clarity and color. Women will keep them out of the market though, not just debeers. Debeers has a good marketing thing going and has brainwashed them all. My wife is the most frugal person in the world(read cheap.) Yet she wouldn't even think of geting the same diamond in her wedding band from these people even though she could save 7 or 8 grand by doing it. Because "It isn't a real diamond." she watched the show with me, saw all the people say they were the same as the real deal,and could not be told apart. But debeers has her so brain washed about what a diamond is that she wouldn't accept it. So good luck, but my bet is she would rather have the little 1/4 carrat "Real" diamond than the 3 carrat "fake". |
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Hell, go for the fake, but be honest about it. If she's ok with it, there's nothing to fear. Otherwise, you're full of crap and praying for the next 40 years that science doesn't find some nifty way of telling these "perfect" fakes from the real thing. Personally I think diamonds are among the least interesting of the gemstones. I've always loved a woman in black pearls or sapphires though. |