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2/27/2004 1:18:53 PM EDT
www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

While I believe there are some nuances to consider, the basic fact is that the rewards of crime make murder an acceptable risk to some.  Is America a violent country?  Yes, if you're involved in drugs, otherwise it is similar to other Euro countries AND  we have generally less suicide.
2/27/2004 1:35:15 PM EDT
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 we have generally less suicide.
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if i was french i'd want to kill myself also [:D]

mike
2/27/2004 1:38:46 PM EDT
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 we have generally less suicide.
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if i was french i'd want to kill myself also [:D]

mike
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[LOLabove] I hear your assault rifle falling right now.[:D]

2/27/2004 1:39:56 PM EDT
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You mean I wasted all my time and effort on trig and calculus?

Damn!
2/27/2004 2:12:06 PM EDT
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interesting stat's on the site:


According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%


During the offense that brought them to prison, 15% of State inmates and 13% of Federal inmates carried a handgun, and about 2%, a military-style semiautomatic gun.
On average, State inmates possessing a firearm received sentences of 18 years, while those without a weapon had an average sentence of 12 years.
Among prisoners carrying a firearm during their crime, 40% of State inmates and 56% of Federal inmates received a sentence enhancement because of the firearm
2/27/2004 2:24:08 PM EDT
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No stats are ever "interesting."

Statistics proove nothing at all, are easily manipulated, and very often have distinct bias...
2/27/2004 2:34:41 PM EDT
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In this case the statistics indicate that the 'Gun Show Loophole' is insignificant.


I find that interesting.
2/27/2004 2:40:30 PM EDT
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You mean I wasted all my time and effort on trig and calculus?

Damn!
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[homer]didn't everyone![/homer]
2/27/2004 2:43:10 PM EDT
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What statistics indicate doesn't matter...they just promote a specific view in an attempt to gain public support.

If you find it "interesting"...great.

I am just pointing out that this is solely a pro gun survey, done with that in mind--the outcome WILL reflect those opinions of those who wanted the survey to turn out that way. I am sure that the anti's could come up with a similar poll that reflected a completely different outcome.

The numbers mean nothing, fascinating as they may be...
2/27/2004 2:47:14 PM EDT
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I wasn't aware the Department of Justice had taken a Pro Gun stance, Perhaps you can enlighten me as to the source of this public announcement?

Did you even take the time to notice its a DOJ site ?
2/27/2004 2:47:59 PM EDT
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All that shows is white criminals are hornier than black ones prefering poisoning over guns. Maybe they should ban "assault poisons" Stats are a bunch of[bs]
2/27/2004 2:49:00 PM EDT
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The department's stance doesn't have anything to do with it...

The department is made up of individuals--each with their own agenda.

Yea, I noticed. But that doesn't validify a single thing they say.
2/27/2004 2:50:51 PM EDT
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my wife rolled on floor. i am still calling. what is your excuse?
2/27/2004 2:52:41 PM EDT
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What statistics indicate doesn't matter...they just promote a specific view in an attempt to gain public support.

If you find it "interesting"...great.

I am just pointing out that this is solely a pro gun survey, done with that in mind--the outcome WILL reflect those opinions of those who wanted the survey to turn out that way. I am sure that the anti's could come up with a similar poll that reflected a completely different outcome.

The numbers mean nothing, fascinating as they may be...
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Are you smoking crack? That is a Department of Justice (aka GOVERNMENT) run site. We're not talking about the NRA's here. If anything these are the people that people like you would say are lying to America about gunowners unfavorably. I think you just can't admit you're wrong...
2/27/2004 2:54:39 PM EDT
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Are you trying to tell me that the government isn't biased?
2/27/2004 2:59:51 PM EDT
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Are you trying to tell me that the government isn't biased?
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Reread my post. Are you trying to say they're biased in favor of us? That's a new one on me.
2/27/2004 3:03:40 PM EDT
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my wife rolled on floor. i am still calling. what is your excuse?
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Oh no...not this again...  [:D]
2/27/2004 3:05:37 PM EDT
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I am saying that they are BIASED...that alone is enough to discredit any numbers that they spew out.

The numbers may have turned out in support of us this time, but it doesn't really matter who they support, because they don't mean jack!
2/27/2004 3:07:16 PM EDT
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Are they racist too?


They seem to believe that blacks commit alot of crime.


2/27/2004 3:10:50 PM EDT
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Alright, I'm missing something here.  The graphs and the table seem to be saying two very different things.  Someone please help the dumb guy understand.
2/27/2004 3:11:25 PM EDT
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Certain crimes, in a certain timeframe, in a certain place were undeniably committed by a black majority...

see what i am alluding to?