Posted: 1/19/2004 4:20:13 PM EDT
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Here's a what if question for everyone. Some buddies and me were kicking this around and came to no clear answer. If the NoI was found to have links to al qaeda would the DOJ declare them a terrorist organization and take the appropriate action or do nothing out of fear of racial uprisings? |
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I doubt the feds would be scared, because 1. There aren't all that many of them; 2. They're headquartered in Chicago, so how the hell would anybody know a race war had started? It'd be like noticing a surge in sales of grits in, say, Baker County [;)]. That said, they wouldn't move until they had enough evidence to lock 'em all up and hold 'em incommunicado because they are so vocal and so beloved by the media. |
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Good question. I fear that if the NOI were linked to assQueda the Gov't. would have to move on them-but the evidence would have to be concrete, cast iron, non refuteable, caught-ya-red-handed proof. It also be time to stock up on ammo. I suspect that the NOI would get a lot of "sympathy supporters" that aren't even muslim, just because they'd think that 'ol Uncle Sam was pickin' on a bunch of religious boys for NO reason. Let's face it-and I'm NOT racist-blacks seem to use just about ANY excuse to riot these days. |
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Quoted: Let's face it-and I'm [red]NOT racist-blacks[/red] seem to use just about ANY excuse to riot these days. Although I agree with the rest of your post, this last bit furthers my belief that everyone is born racist. You state you are not but use race to get your point accross, all in the same sentance. I have said it before, it is natural. Both animals and humans alike use race/color as a means to ID and or catagorize others. The only thing that differs between person to person is the amount we supress it. Not a flame, just observation. Now about NOI. As stated before, I doubt hte feds would move on them uless they were 110% sure about the eveidence. BUt on the other hand, look at what the ELF has gotten away with, and there is not even the "poor, picked on religion" card to play. And whats with the newspapers they carry? CH CH |
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I think the greater danger, at this moment is the "Neverland Waco" option. Nation of Islam and New Black Panther Party leaders, In a bid for Michael Jacksons assets. Push the increasingly unstable pop star to fire his attorney Mark Geragos in mid trial and simply don't show up for court the next morning. Nation of Islam and New Black Panther Party leaders issue a press release stating that Micheal Jackson, cannot get a fair trial in the white mans courts and that they'er security forces will prevent Jackson from being taken into custody. By noon. News helicopters are sending footage to the networks of members of the NOI and NBPP security staff walking the grounds of Jacksons Neverland Ranch armed with Assault Rifles. By 1:00PM. A State Police corridon has been set up around the Neverland Ranch and local authorities are in contact with the Justice Dept, in an effort to establish multi-state criminal conduct on the part of the NOI and NBPP. By 3:00PM. The Attorney General and FBI are involved. By 4:00PM. Telephone negotiations begin, with Michael Jackson and his NOI and NBPP handlers. Jackson states that he will not leave the Neverland Ranch until he is granted a Presidential Pardon. In Chicago arrest warrants are issued for Lewis Farakan and severeral heads of the Nation Of Islam, but no arrests are made because these leaders have already gone into hiding. By 6:00PM. The first Molatov cocktail crashes through the plate glass window of a retail store in Compton California... It's going to be a long night. For that matter, it's going to be a long seige and a far more dangerous racialy charged situation, than the Rodney King Trial ever thought about being. This is my nightmare senario involving the Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party. Please do not come to the conclusion, that I'm some Racist nut job for posting this look at what could happen. This is just a game theory look at the worst possible outcome of the situation. |
| Nothing would happen, if a large enough amount of black people bitched about the .gov being racist no action would be taken. It doesn't matter if your arguement makes sense, the only important issue is how many people can take time out of their days to protest (of course liberals seem to usually be unemployed, therefore are availible to protest). |
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Thanks IAU, No, I do not have any dogs in the political correctness or racial fight. I simply thought, "What would happen if the Nation of Islam realy wanted to cause a huge racial incident, that could possibly have an effect on the upcoming presidential elections, in the same way that the Rodney King L.A. riots, had an effect on George H. Bush's numbers in 92. Massive rioting in several cities, touched off by a "Neverland waco" seige, could well turn voters attention back from Iraqi Foriegn Policy to Domestic Racial Politics, an change of national mood which the Democrats would greatly benifit from. |
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Well thought out scenario, Slidelock. But really, I don't think NOI has the sack for a toe to toe fight. They want MJ's money, but they know he's not black and never has been. The residents of Compton damned sure know he's not one of them. Looking for a fifth column? [url=library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/jamat.htm]Jamaat ul-Fuqra[/url] and [url=911review.org/Sept11Wiki/JamaatUl-Fuqra.shtml]here[/url]. |
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Well, Maybe Jarhead_22 and maybe not. I doubt that Lon Horuchi would get much target practice at "Neverland Waco", because the Government is the bunch, that would'nt have the sack to pump in the tear gas and burn the place down on top of Michael and Janet Jackson and The Nation of Islam on national TV. These calculated risk and media numbers must be running though the minds of the NOI and NBPP leaders right now and the big question they'er asking themselves is, "Can we get away with it"? Could the NOI run a three or four day stand off with the Federal Government, cause some riots, and get away with it Scott free, when the feds decided to negotiate and declare amnesty for all involved, in the intrest of domestic racial harmony? |
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You probably won't find one!!!! "Mainstream Islam" and especially the "Extremist" see Nation of islam as a Bastardization and insult to the Islamic faith! I've discussed this with islamic clients at the Juvenile delinquency facilty where i work, they call the NOI.."Five Percenters" because thats all of the religeon they actually adhere to! Mainstream american Islam that most americans of all races follow is Mainstream "sunni" islam and they laugh at Calypso Louie and his bunch. However that said all of them because of the claim their islamic sympathize with the terrorist, I've heard the comments come out of both groups mouths myself!! However the "five percenters" would never find support or training forth coming from Al-Queda, due tto the severe differences, of course this does not mena tyhey would not do it themselves. The mainstream islam in america is where the trouble will come from, if the already sympathize they become easy to recruit!!! |
| Feds didn't do much about all that money NOI got from Qadaffi in the 80's. The term 5% comes from the concept that there are only 10% of the people that really know what's going on. And only 5% are willing to do something about it. Think Storm Troopers for when the Revolution is televised. The reversal of the moniker 5% to mean they only follow 5% of true Islam, is a recent "joke" real Muslims make about the Nation and followers of Calypso Louie. |
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Quoted: Here's a what if question for everyone. Some buddies and me were kicking this around and came to no clear answer. If the NoI was found to have links to al qaeda would the DOJ declare them a terrorist organization and take the appropriate action or do nothing out of fear of racial uprisings? No, What they WOULD do, however, is stop every white boy, in a white van, and get 'em face down, on the street!!! [ROFL2] |
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Quoted: Looking for a fifth column? [url=library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/jamat.htm]Jamaat ul-Fuqra[/url] and [url=911review.org/Sept11Wiki/JamaatUl-Fuqra.shtml]here[/url]. You sure, ya wanna use that second link??? [:P] From their front page.... [b]There has never been an independent inquiry in the events of 9/11. Despite two years of repeated attempts by the families of the victims of 9/11, there has never been an independent investigation of What Really Happened that day. Is there an OngoingCoverup? Both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took extraordinary steps to limit any investigation into the events of 9/11. The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law, and the FBI is withholding the data from the airliner's flight recorders. All of the steel from the Twin Towers was shipped out of the country before any investigation was held. The media says that bin Laden carried out the 9/11 massacre from the caves of Afghanistan, yet after a supposedly "thorough" investigation, the FBI says they have not uncovered a single piece of paper that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot. Some are starting to ask: OsamaBinAsset? 7 of the supposed "hijackers" turned out to be alive and not even in the US on 9/11. 3 of the "hijackers" listed a US Navy base as their address on their drivers licences. The Twin Towers didn't collapse, they exploded outwards; parts of the buildings were ejected as far as 70 m. before they began to fall, and the buildings' concrete was reduced to fine dust. What really brought down the TwinTowers? No steel structured skyscraper in history has collapsed due to fire. The steel support columns in the sub-basement of the Twin Towers were melted, and five weeks later, were still pools of molten steel. They say an airliner crashed into the Pentagon, but if so, why isn't there the debris of an airliner crash at the scene of the PentagonAttack? There's no airliner debris at the Pentagon, and the deep and focused damage to the building could not be from an airliner crash. The FBI is withholding 2 videos that may show what really hit the Pentagon, and the photos from the DoD Pentagon security camera have been falsified. The 47 story World Trade Center Building Number 7 was levelled in 8 seconds, seven hours the after the Twin Towers came down. As it hadn't been hit by any plane, nor sustained any significant damage from the "collapse" of Twin Towers earlier two buildings away, why did Building7Collapse? The photographs show that there was no any major fire in the building at the time. The videos clearly show that it was a controlled demolition. [/b] [url]http://www.911review.org/[/url] [:D] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Let's face it-and I'm [red]NOT racist-blacks[/red] seem to use just about ANY excuse to riot these days. Although I agree with the rest of your post, this last bit furthers my belief that everyone is born racist. You state you are not but use race to get your point accross, all in the same sentance. I have said it before, it is natural. Both animals and humans alike use race/color as a means to ID and or catagorize others. The only thing that differs between person to person is the amount we supress it. Not a flame, just observation. CH This comment interested me, CH. I don't mean to hijack the thread, but one comment. I looked up "racist" in Webster's Dictionary and found this: "Any doctrine of racial domination or discrimination against other races; also race hatred or discrimination." Now, I'll agree that the modern definition of "racist" is a little fluid, but gamesniper's comments did not involve any "racial domination or discrimination against other races". It was merely an observation. Nowadays, any racial observation, even such as, "It seems that a lot of Irish people are redheaded", is viewed as politically incorrect and therefore "racist". That is baloney. |
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Quoted: Welcome to the world of PC, OldPainless! NOI is itself one of the most racist organizations in America. Sort of a black KKK IMHO. I suspect they could get away with being tied to the AlGoofies - gov is too PC to deal with it. Spoken like a true blue-eyed devil. |
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[b] Quoted: These calculated risk and media numbers must be running though the minds of the NOI and NBPP leaders right now and the big question they'er asking themselves is, [red]"Can we get away with it"?[/red] Could the NOI run a three or four day stand off with the Federal Government, cause some riots, and get away with it Scott free, when the feds decided to negotiate and declare amnesty for all involved, in the intrest of domestic racial harmony? Yes, they can. When a group, like NOI, has money, certain power and recognition, supports from some other organizations, legal advices from their own attorneys, etc..., they will get off easily. |
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Quoted: There is no subject you will not use, is there? You have absolutely no shame. YOU, are the one who provided the link.... Does that mean YOUR info is bogus?? Or is MY quote bogus, 'cause it doesn't fit with your notions... Want more?? [b]September 11, 2001: Warren Buffett, possibly the second richest man on Earth [Salon, 8/31/99], schedules a morning charity event inside Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska. [red]A number of CEOs who would otherwise have been in the WTC attend. Attendees had just arrived when the first WTC attack occurs. This base is the center of the nation's military defenses, and the same base that Bush will fly to later in the day.[/red] The timing, probable attendance, and location of the meeting is curious, to say the least, as is the total lack of any mention of the meeting anywhere, except for one aside by a business leader (Anne Tatlock, CEO and President of Fiduciary and Franklin) explaining why she survived the WTC attack. [San Francisco Business Times, 2/1/02] September 11, 2001 (R): Explosives expert Van Romero says: "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The collapse of the buildings appears "too methodical" to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures. [Albuquerque Journal, 9/11/01] However, Romero, who says he was on his way to the Pentagon to seek Pentagon research funding when the attack hit, reverses his stance 10 days later. [Albuquerque Journal, 9/21/01] Might his need for government funding have played a role in his change of heart? September 11, 2001 (T): TV news coverage on 9/11 repeatedly shows images of Palestinians rejoicing over the 9/11 attack. According to Mark Crispin Miller, a Professor of Media Studies at New York University who investigated the issue, the footage was filmed during the funeral of nine people killed the day before by Israeli authorities. He said "to show it without explaining the background, and to show it over and over again is to make propaganda for the war machine and is irresponsible.'' [AFP, 9/18/01, Australian, 9/27/01] September 11, 2001 (V): Hours after the 9/11 attacks, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld is given information that three of the names on the airplane passenger manifests are suspected al-Qaeda operatives. The notes he composes at the time are leaked nearly a year later. Rumsfeld writes he wants the "best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H. [Saddam Hussein] at same time. Not only UBL. [Usama bin Laden] Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not." [CBS, 9/4/02] He presents the idea to Bush the next day (see September 12, 2001 (F)). It is later revealed that shortly after 9/11, Rumsfeld sets up "a small team of defense officials outside regular intelligence channels to focus on unearthing details about Iraqi ties with al-Qaeda and other terrorist networks." It has continued to sift "through much of the same databases available to government intelligence analysts but with the aim of spotlighting information the spy agencies have either overlooked or played down." [Washington Post, 10/25/02] Time will report in May 2002 that Defense Secretary "Rumsfeld has been so determined to find a rationale for an attack that on 10 separate occasions he asked the CIA to find evidence linking Iraq to the terror attacks of Sept. 11. The intelligence agency repeatedly came back empty-handed." [Time, 5/6/02] Since the plan to defeat Iraq is planned despite a complete lack of evidence showing Iraqi involvement in 9/11 (see also September 17, 2001 (B)), how can any later evidence pointing to Iraq's complicity in 9/11 be trusted? [/b] Again, from YOUR link.......[:D] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's face it-and I'm [red]NOT racist-blacks[/red] seem to use just about ANY excuse to riot these days. Although I agree with the rest of your post, this last bit furthers my belief that everyone is born racist. You state you are not but use race to get your point accross, all in the same sentance. I have said it before, it is natural. Both animals and humans alike use race/color as a means to ID and or catagorize others. The only thing that differs between person to person is the amount we supress it. Not a flame, just observation. CH This comment interested me, CH. I don't mean to hijack the thread, but one comment. I looked up "racist" in Webster's Dictionary and found this: "Any doctrine of racial domination or discrimination against other races; also race hatred or discrimination." Now, I'll agree that the modern definition of "racist" is a little fluid, but gamesniper's comments did not involve any "racial domination or discrimination against other races". It was merely an observation. Nowadays, any racial observation, even such as, "It seems that a lot of Irish people are redheaded", is viewed as politically incorrect and therefore "racist". That is baloney. OP, Where to begin? Yes, it was an observation, just like my comment. I find it interesting that we can defend such comments as "bologney" but when used in an other way, it profiling. Saying that you are NOT a racist, and then using the term "black" to catagorize a group of people in the same sentance, seems to be strange. TO not further hijack this thread I will just start another... Thanks, CH |
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Quoted: Quoted: There is no subject you will not use, is there? You have absolutely no shame. YOU, are the one who provided the link.... Does that mean YOUR info is bogus?? Quite possibly. I didn't research the entire site, its editorial slant, its sources or its funding. I did a google search on "ul-Fuqra," and posted two links to pages that had some explanation of what it is. You then dug around trying to find some propaganda you could use to beat your same old tired drum and posted unverified conspiracy bait that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, as usual. Like I said, you have absolutely no shame. I've got strong feelings on some things, but I won't troll (because that's what you're doing) a thread about street racing, green mag followers or Wolf ammo to make whatever point I feel is important at the time, everday, all day, ad infinitum, as you do. Just try to stay on topic. Everyone will appreciate it. If you can't help but have an outburst based on something you see on an unrelated post, go ahead and start another thread. Edit: and on that note, I'm done. If you want to continue this discussion, feel free to IM me, or not. |