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7/19/2017 7:06:26 PM EDT
Can someone educate me about Muslims & charity?

WABC Nightly News announced about the 4 African countries with famines & George Clooney begging Americans to donate.

Most Christians are charitable. I know there are different Muslim sects, to wit Sunni, Shia, etc...

Saudi Arabia & some other Muslim OPEC countries are financially stable enough to help--do they help their fellow famine-stricken Muslims?

Please don't turn this into a bashing thread, I'm trying to be educated.

Yea, I know...GD
7/19/2017 7:08:26 PM EDT
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In hoping to learn a few new choice words...
7/19/2017 7:08:49 PM EDT
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FGC
7/19/2017 7:09:18 PM EDT
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Can someone educate me about Muslims & charity?

WABC Nightly News announced about the 4 African countries with famines & George Clooney begging Americans to donate.

Most Christians are charitable. I know there are different Muslim sects, to wit Sunni, Shia, etc...

Saudi Arabia & some other Muslim OPEC countries are financially stable enough to help--do they help their fellow famine-stricken Muslims?

Please don't turn this into a bashing thread, I'm trying to be educated.

Yea, I know...GD
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Charity is one of the pillars of Islam. Many in Muslim countries donate money to mosques or organizations that then do something for the less fortunate, though I can't remember what the word is or exactly how it works.
Probably very similar to people donating to a church here which runs a soup kitchen or food bank or something.

The Charity pillar of Islam is called "Zakat".

Zakat or alms-giving is the practice of charitable giving based on accumulated wealth. The word zakat can be defined as purification and growth because it allows an individual to achieve balance and encourages new growth. The principle of knowing that all things belong to God is essential to purification and growth. Zakat is obligatory for all Muslims who are able to do so. It is the personal responsibility of each Muslim to ease the economic hardship of others and to strive towards eliminating inequality.[12] Zakat consists of spending a portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, like debtors or travelers. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), rather than to achieve additional divine reward.[13]

There are five principles that should be followed when giving the zakat:

The giver must declare to God his intention to give the zakat.
The zakat must be paid on the day that it is due.
After the offering, the payer must not exaggerate on spending his money more than usual means.
Payment must be in kind. This means if one is wealthy then he or she needs to pay a portion of their income. If a person does not have much money, then they should compensate for it in different ways, such as good deeds and good behavior toward others.
The zakat must be distributed in the community from which it was taken.
7/19/2017 7:10:22 PM EDT
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Simple human nature, why feed your kids, when someone else will do it......oh and rich Gulf Arabs don’t give a rats ass about dark-skinned African Muslims.
7/19/2017 7:11:56 PM EDT
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I'll have a Coke.
7/19/2017 7:12:47 PM EDT
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Fuck George Clooney, Saudi Arabia, and Africa.
7/19/2017 7:13:03 PM EDT
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Charity is one of the pillars of Islam. Many in Muslim countries donate money to mosques or organizations that then do something for the less fortunate, though I can't remember what the word is or exactly how it works.
Probably very similar to people donating to a church here which runs a soup kitchen or food bank or something.

The Charity pillar of Islam is called "Zakat".

Zakat or alms-giving is the practice of charitable giving based on accumulated wealth. The word zakat can be defined as purification and growth because it allows an individual to achieve balance and encourages new growth. The principle of knowing that all things belong to God is essential to purification and growth. Zakat is obligatory for all Muslims who are able to do so. It is the personal responsibility of each Muslim to ease the economic hardship of others and to strive towards eliminating inequality.[12] Zakat consists of spending a portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, like debtors or travelers. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), rather than to achieve additional divine reward.[13]

There are five principles that should be followed when giving the zakat:

The giver must declare to God his intention to give the zakat.
The zakat must be paid on the day that it is due.
After the offering, the payer must not exaggerate on spending his money more than usual means.
Payment must be in kind. This means if one is wealthy then he or she needs to pay a portion of their income. If a person does not have much money, then they should compensate for it in different ways, such as good deeds and good behavior toward others.
The zakat must be distributed in the community from which it was taken.
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If the zakat must be distributed in the community from which it was taken. Wouldn't the Saudis then give their alms in Saudia Arabia?

The "Charity begins at home" philosophy?

ETA: I agree--FGC!
7/19/2017 7:13:08 PM EDT
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No kidding, how much did he give?
7/19/2017 7:14:35 PM EDT
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I'll send them a coke
7/19/2017 7:14:46 PM EDT
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Charity is one of the pillars of Islam. Many in Muslim countries donate money to mosques or organizations that then do something for the less fortunate, though I can't remember what the word is or exactly how it works.
Probably very similar to people donating to a church here which runs a soup kitchen or food bank or something.

The Charity pillar of Islam is called "Zakat".

Zakat or alms-giving is the practice of charitable giving based on accumulated wealth. The word zakat can be defined as purification and growth because it allows an individual to achieve balance and encourages new growth. The principle of knowing that all things belong to God is essential to purification and growth. Zakat is obligatory for all Muslims who are able to do so. It is the personal responsibility of each Muslim to ease the economic hardship of others and to strive towards eliminating inequality.[12] Zakat consists of spending a portion of one's wealth for the benefit of the poor or needy, like debtors or travelers. A Muslim may also donate more as an act of voluntary charity (sadaqah), rather than to achieve additional divine reward.[13]

There are five principles that should be followed when giving the zakat:

The giver must declare to God his intention to give the zakat.
The zakat must be paid on the day that it is due.
After the offering, the payer must not exaggerate on spending his money more than usual means.
Payment must be in kind. This means if one is wealthy then he or she needs to pay a portion of their income. If a person does not have much money, then they should compensate for it in different ways, such as good deeds and good behavior toward others.
The zakat must be distributed in the community from which it was taken.
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Yup OP, you got an education, so did I. Now what are you gonna do with it?
7/19/2017 7:15:31 PM EDT
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Have a Coke
7/19/2017 7:16:11 PM EDT
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Give?

Hell, he just fled England because he's scared of the muslims.

7/19/2017 7:17:13 PM EDT
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It's very Simple.

Charity is a pillar of Islam and Muslims should be charitable but wait it's not that simple.


You get rewards from Allan's snack bar  for being charitable but only if you are charitable to other Muslims. You can be charitable to a kafir but it will not earn you any points, so those drugs you sold that earned Alan's ire will not be wiped out by the good deeds.

I lived in a high Muslim area for 10years. This was explained to me over and over. They would all come around shaking a little box I seemingly was the only person who noticed it was only ever for Pakistan or Palestine etc etc so I would ask why not the local hospital or cancer research, they all told me the same thing always there was no variation to the replies as if it was just well that's how it is we don't help none Muslims because Alan won't give us browny points.

The. Of course you would get the ones shaking the box with no explanation people who were fluent in English but suddenly mute.

Me "What you collecting for"
Goat lover ........

Yep you guessed it by their twisted logic if they didn't deceive while taking they jizya from you then no harm no fowl in Alan's eyes.
7/19/2017 7:18:30 PM EDT
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First, thank you for the insights.  Second, since the zakat cannot be distributed outside the community from which it was collected, how can a muslim give to a foreign muslim nation then?
7/19/2017 7:20:05 PM EDT
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I thought charity is part of many religions, but I was curious as to whether Muslims help Muslims.
7/19/2017 7:20:14 PM EDT
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Most countries/cultures long ago figured out how to milk our country for $$$$ while screwing us over in 1,000 different ways. Show pics of kids with flies on their faces and have a celebrity shill for them, all the while doing nothing about birth control.

Americans are suckers for saving 'chillins and abortion clinics.

7/19/2017 7:20:44 PM EDT
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Americans should deal with American problems.
7/19/2017 7:22:13 PM EDT
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The zakat must be distributed in the community from which it was taken.
First, thank you for the insights.  Second, since the zakat cannot be distributed outside the community from which it was collected, how can a muslim give to a foreign muslim nation then?
There is a 'global caliphate' mentality Borders are not recognised by a lot of Muslims it's western thinking remember the whole earth belongs to allah

If you are a Muslim then you are a brother and you can give charity.

Another answer I alamost always got in every conversation usually when they couldn't answer the question " your not thinking like a Muslim"
7/19/2017 7:23:44 PM EDT
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The first time I heard the term zakat, it was in the context of caring for widows and sons of martyrs.
7/19/2017 7:26:20 PM EDT
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Also, lots of Muslim charity going to the families of Palestinian terrorists and such.
7/19/2017 7:27:47 PM EDT
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Coke is Kosher so does that mean it's fit for Muslims as well?
7/19/2017 7:28:25 PM EDT
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I remember people kissing Oprah's ass because she donated money for Katrina victims. I had just seen an article about how much she made that year and did the math. I gave more of my yearly income to help than she did and I didn't give that much.

These celebrities like to give enough that everyone kisses their ass but they give hardly anything compared to their worth. Your average old lady at a church gives more and never says anything about it than these celebrities that like to make a big deal out of their charity.
7/19/2017 7:30:46 PM EDT
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Yes, they do, and have been known to shelter and protect Christians as well, with the current crop of extremist assholes obviously being an exception to that.
7/19/2017 7:32:16 PM EDT
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Didn't Clooney just sell his winery for like a billion dollars?
Bust out the checkbook, pretty boy. I'm a little light on cash these days.
7/19/2017 7:33:33 PM EDT
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In addition to zakat, there is also a concept called "khoms."

Idk if it's an islam-wide concept, but I know it's a thing for twelve shia Muslims. As I understand it, it's basically a 20% income tax. It was supposed to apply only to war booty, but khoms has expanded beyond that. There are some fundamentalist clerics in Iran that see it as obligatory for all faithful Muslims, but as far as I know it's not a pillar of faith like zakat.

Its application is different from zakat I believe but I'm only going off of what I know about Iran. I think it goes straight into the coffers of the supreme leader. The intent is to provide services and pay for the governance of the ummah (the entire Muslim community), but I'm sure the supreme leader does other stuff with it as well.
7/19/2017 7:36:22 PM EDT
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Absolutely 100% correct!
7/19/2017 7:36:55 PM EDT
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Muslim charities are money laundering outfits for terrorists.
7/19/2017 7:36:58 PM EDT
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Or even better yet, they take all the donated money and buy a bunch of c4 and ball bearings and ak's to kill our people with.  You know, the ones who gave them money.  And our soldiers.  And little kids. Fuck 'em. All of them.
7/19/2017 7:39:30 PM EDT
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Coke is Kosher so does that mean it's fit for Muslims as well?
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I guess Coke is halal? Don't know--don't care. I'm not Muslim nor superstitious in any way, so Kosher or halal makes no difference, unless it comes with bacon
7/19/2017 7:47:27 PM EDT
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Didn't Clooney just sell his Tequila company for like a BILLION dollars? Donate that, it's plenty.
7/19/2017 7:55:13 PM EDT
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Can someone educate me about Muslims & charity?

WABC Nightly News announced about the 4 African countries with famines & George Clooney begging Americans to donate.

Most Christians are charitable. I know there are different Muslim sects, to wit Sunni, Shia, etc...

Saudi Arabia & some other Muslim OPEC countries are financially stable enough to help--do they help their fellow famine-stricken Muslims?

Please don't turn this into a bashing thread, I'm trying to be educated.

Yea, I know...GD
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South Sudan is predominantly Christian. They're affected by the embargo imposed by the U.N.. the embargo is because they left the Muslim dominated North and then the Muslims crossed the border and kept right on killing them. 
7/19/2017 8:06:06 PM EDT
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Clintons are probably running a "charity" for them. You know...to duplicate all the good they did in Haiti.

Personally, unless I'm directly handing the starving individual a bag of rice/bottle of water, it ain't happening with these third world countries that simply rob anything donated to the starving.
7/19/2017 9:14:39 PM EDT
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No real Global Caliphiate. Zakah must be to the immediate community... local community.
Sadaqa is regular charity and can be sent anywhere.

Also, zakah and Sadaqa is for everyone, not just muslims.
7/19/2017 9:33:03 PM EDT
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7/19/2017 9:55:13 PM EDT
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Think I saw some where that they were giving food to those that join /pledge or whatever to Islam.  If true, pretty shitty.
7/19/2017 11:03:10 PM EDT
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Hey he did the commercial, isn't that enough?
7/19/2017 11:07:34 PM EDT
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If you like your 7th Century, you can keep your 7th Century.