[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Healthcare (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/18/2017 7:24:12 AM EDT
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Repeal everything.
Push the reset button and let the free market decide. One of the biggest issues with healthcare is not being able to buy out of state. In today's market, that is asinine, and a regulation made to ensure higher costs. If I want the Penguin Plan from a shady solicitor start up in New York, I should be able to buy it. If I am not in New York, I can't. Another big one? Get rid of fucking EMTALA! That would seriously dent the consumer overuse that affects all of us who actually pay for medical insurance. Bring back the tiered hospitals. Live in the city and can't afford healthcare? Go to your "county" hospital. Working class and have good coverage? Go to a mid tier hospital. Cadillac plan? Go to a really nice hospital of your choice. You will always have the ability to move up the healthcare ladder, but the system needs a reboot. |
| straight repeal here. let's focus on why health care is so expensive in the first place. let's do tort reform. let's find out why hospital charges are so high and why we can't get simplified billing and look at a menu of posted charges so we know what we are paying. I maintain people don't pay attention to what they are paying cause the insurance company is handling it. I maintain if we did away with insurance the medical profession would have to offer cheaper care or be bankrupt since no one could afford medical care. Insurance companies costs only reflect what they are paying out, made have to pay out, plus a profit percent. let's work on lowering actual medical expenses. |
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. |
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Repeal it, spent time in other countries with single payer system, they are treated like crap and wanted to come to America for medical treatment preACA.
Health insurance should be like car insurance and be sold across state lines. My wife is an RN she could rant for some time about how the ACA govt meddling has screwed healthcare up even more than it was before. |
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This is the painful truth. Costs have soared, thanks to the .gov interference. Too late and painful to allow for a competitive market. In my area, there is only one chain of hospitals so there will be zero competition. Quoted:
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. |
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. |
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Repeal it all. I don't care about the consequences, I want to watch it burn.
All the people that benefited and cheered when it was passed... My wife lost three jobs because of it, couldn't afford an apartment with heat. I want everyone who benefited from it to suffer as she did. That would please me greatly. |
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Do away with everything.. Regulations are whats killing the price of healthcare...
And realize, this is only up to 2009..and does not include the Shitcare buerocracy....... Attached File |
| I vote free market but it needs to be a true free market not the current nonsense we have now which you can't be told how much a test or procedure is going to cost upfront. McDonald's style menu boards in which you can compare providers would go along way to fixing the price issues we have. |
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Repeal everything. Push the reset button and let the free market decide. One of the biggest issues with healthcare is not being able to buy out of state. In today's market, that is asinine, and a regulation made to ensure higher costs. If I want the Penguin Plan from a shady solicitor start up in New York, I should be able to buy it. If I am not in New York, I can't. Another big one? Get rid of fucking EMTALA! That would seriously dent the consumer overuse that affects all of us who actually pay for medical insurance. Bring back the tiered hospitals. Live in the city and can't afford healthcare? Go to your "county" hospital. Working class and have good coverage? Go to a mid tier hospital. Cadillac plan? Go to a really nice hospital of your choice. You will always have the ability to move up the healthcare ladder, but the system needs a reboot. Unfortunately I think they do need to mandate preexisting condition coverage or at least come up with a system for funding it - kind of like the "assigned risk" pool for auto liability coverage. There is no way around that. |
| Once the .gov has it's greedy little fingers in something good luck getting them out. Regardless of what the answers to this poll are the most likely change at some point is single payer. There are too many criminals in DC and too many people who want to see it happen that I can't see it not coming to pass at some point. The GOP has no will or desire to take it in the opposite direction and the Dem's certainly won't. |
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. |
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This is the painful truth. Costs have soared, thanks to the .gov interference. Too late and painful to allow for a competitive market. In my area, there is only one chain of hospitals so there will be zero competition. Quoted:
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. |
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Full repeal and free market. Prices would plummet. I'd make less money as a doc but wouldn't be squished under the government's thumb.  Quoted:
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Pick one and tell me why. Poll inbound. Full repeal and free market. Prices would plummet. I'd make less money as a doc but wouldn't be squished under the government's thumb. |
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The single biggest thing missing in the market is competition. Insurers should be able to sell plans nationwide with any coverage they choose and consumers need more choice in the market. HMO's that lock you into a provider network suck ass. Unfortunately I think they do need to mandate preexisting condition coverage or at least come up with a system for funding it - kind of like the "assigned risk" pool for auto liability coverage. There is no way around that. Quoted:
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Repeal everything. Push the reset button and let the free market decide. One of the biggest issues with healthcare is not being able to buy out of state. In today's market, that is asinine, and a regulation made to ensure higher costs. If I want the Penguin Plan from a shady solicitor start up in New York, I should be able to buy it. If I am not in New York, I can't. Another big one? Get rid of fucking EMTALA! That would seriously dent the consumer overuse that affects all of us who actually pay for medical insurance. Bring back the tiered hospitals. Live in the city and can't afford healthcare? Go to your "county" hospital. Working class and have good coverage? Go to a mid tier hospital. Cadillac plan? Go to a really nice hospital of your choice. You will always have the ability to move up the healthcare ladder, but the system needs a reboot. Unfortunately I think they do need to mandate preexisting condition coverage or at least come up with a system for funding it - kind of like the "assigned risk" pool for auto liability coverage. There is no way around that. It all gets lumped in to health insurance. It doesn't matter if you have cancer or any other disease. The debate over pre existing conditions is all smoke and mirrors to confuse and deflect. |
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. There hasn't been a free market exchange in the healthcare industry in any of our lifetimes. No matter what is done, there will never be one either. |
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. Of course it doesn't exist and hasn't for a long time This doesn't mean that it shouldn't be put back in place. I agree, that it is unlikely, but going single payer is more nails in the coffin of freedom and liberty. Why not just let the government run everything in your life? Now is the time to stand up and take back some of the liberty that has been stolen from the US citizen tax payer. Now is not the time to quit. |
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Single payer, but the question is how to collect so that everyone pays..... I'd prefur the arftopia idea of repeal and free market, but I don't think it's doable anymore given how fucked up this country is. |
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That's a good policy...what kind of job has that type of great plan? Quoted:
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I will keep my current policy. Less than 2400 a year, low deductible, family of 4. ETA you know most people reply without the need for you doing the whole @username every post 
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There shouldn't be a concern over pre existing conditions. It all gets lumped in to health insurance. It doesn't matter if you have cancer or any other disease. The debate over pre existing conditions is all smoke and mirrors to confuse and deflect. Or health insurers could just institute a policy where a physical with blood workup, cancer screen, drug test, etc. is required before they will give you a quote on a policy. Insurance is simply risk mitigation. When you buy insurance you are betting that you will get sick. The insurance company is betting you will stay healthy. |
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So the only real thing I worry about is pre-existing conditions.
Things like diabetes, Tourettes, asthma, cancer, can exclude you from coverage. Currently they cannot exclude or penalize you. But now that we are paying these high premiums most insurance companies will not voluntarily roll those back. The other issue is: HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST MD's to change their systems and are we hurting medical providers again? People in my age bracket who have jobs are carrying the brunt of the costs because younger people are not buying insurance. The 27-40 range aren't interested in paying these high premiums. |
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Or health insurers could just institute a policy where a physical with blood workup, cancer screen, drug test, etc. is required before they will give you a quote on a policy. Insurance is simply risk mitigation. When you buy insurance you are betting that you will get sick. The insurance company is betting you will stay healthy. Quoted:
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There shouldn't be a concern over pre existing conditions. It all gets lumped in to health insurance. It doesn't matter if you have cancer or any other disease. The debate over pre existing conditions is all smoke and mirrors to confuse and deflect. Insurance is simply risk mitigation. When you buy insurance you are betting that you will get sick. The insurance company is betting you will stay healthy. This is the chance to deal with the issue properly. Otherwise the dems will simply shove their "solution" down our throats at their next opportunity, which could come a lot sooner than you think if we don't deal with it. |
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While I loath the idea of single payer, this is the hard truth. There hasn't been a free market exchange in the healthcare industry in any of our lifetimes. No matter what is done, there will never be one either. Quoted:
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. There hasn't been a free market exchange in the healthcare industry in any of our lifetimes. No matter what is done, there will never be one either. The one good thing O-Care has taught me is to quit using "Insurance" for "HealthCare" For the past two years I have maxed out my HSA contributions and gone to the highest deductible/lowest premium plan available I now pay for as much as possible with the HSA and pocket the change Either this year (barring any catastrophic events) or next, I will have my HSA balance at a sustainable amount and can further reduce my HSA contributions If I ever need to use the balance, I will simply increase the contribution rate once again MAGA |
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It's laughable how many people think the free market exists. It does not and never has. There has always been a government thumb on the scale going back centuries.
Food prices are set by .gov support via farm subsidies and the like. Energy prices by credits for exploration, military adventurism, pipelines, etc. Tax policy guides small and large businesses everywhere. Big companies get tax avoidance measures to move their plant, open a big box store, etc. The tax code is thousands of pages of interference with "free markets". Companies don't get to dump their waste in a stream, they have to process it and that interferes with their "free market". Regulations you agree with, regulations you don't. Everything you can think of has some kind of non-free-market aspect involved. Healthcare costs have spiraled out of control. The ACA is a solution to half the equation. It does nothing to solve the cost side of the equation. That starts with tort reform, continues with reforming big pharma, and continues on. Run the playback to the end, and the only real solution is single payer. Think of single payer like no fault divorce and no fault car accidents. It takes all the extra players and profit motivations out of the game. The US will have single payer. Maybe not in 2018, but by 2030 certainly. |
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It's laughable how many people think the free market exists. It does not and never has. There has always been a government thumb on the scale going back centuries. Food prices are set by .gov support via farm subsidies and the like. Energy prices by credits for exploration, military adventurism, pipelines, etc. Tax policy guides small and large businesses everywhere. Big companies get tax avoidance measures to move their plant, open a big box store, etc. The tax code is thousands of pages of interference with "free markets". Companies don't get to dump their waste in a stream, they have to process it and that interferes with their "free market". Regulations you agree with, regulations you don't. Everything you can think of has some kind of non-free-market aspect involved. Healthcare costs have spiraled out of control. The ACA is a solution to half the equation. It does nothing to solve the cost side of the equation. That starts with tort reform, continues with reforming big pharma, and continues on. Run the playback to the end, and the only real solution is single payer. Think of single payer like no fault divorce and no fault car accidents. It takes all the extra players and profit motivations out of the game. The US will have single payer. Maybe not in 2018, but by 2030 certainly. |
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Single payer. The "health care" free market doesn't exist. It's not about health insurance it's about costs. And repealing "everything" is as likely as repealing the 14th Amendment. Zero chance. I have under several. They're retarded. I get better care at the VA, and I avoid the VA like the plague unless I'm getting a physical or something minor. In Europe, I just go to private Doctors when I want actual care and no 4-6hr waiting lines. |