Posted: 7/15/2017 10:56:10 AM EDT
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I heard the combination was a no go.
What is the issue ? |
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Something about using your trigger finger to put pressure to pull your gun out right where the trigger is.. but i thought that was every gun not just glock for serpas? |
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I heard the combination was a no go. What is the issue ? With that said, the SERPA is not my favorite holster and I have other Glocks in different holsters. The SERPA was free so I kept it. |
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The real piece of damning evidence against serpas would be the latest marketing video they release where some gun celebrity almost ND'd doing a high speed draw.
It was entirely unintended and hard to catch at first glance, but slowed down his finger slapped right against the trigger as he drew. It's a poor design. |
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Guns with manual safeties tend to clear the holster with the safety still engaged. So they fail to fire even if the trigger is accidentally pressed as the gun is drawn from The holster. |
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Guns with manual safeties tend to clear the holster with the safety still engaged. So they fail to fire even if the trigger is accidentally pressed as the gun is drawn from The holster. Cool and all if the most popular handgun in the world for LEO's had a manual safety.. Reason this happened. LAPD bans serpa |
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Guns with manual safeties tend to clear the holster with the safety still engaged. So they fail to fire even if the trigger is accidentally pressed as the gun is drawn from The holster. |
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Didn't that rather portly Texan  fella on Youtube have a 1911 when he drew from a Serpa and famously said "I just fucking shot myself"? Quoted:
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Guns with manual safeties tend to clear the holster with the safety still engaged. So they fail to fire even if the trigger is accidentally pressed as the gun is drawn from The holster. |
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Didn't that rather portly Texan  fella on Youtube have a 1911 when he drew from a Serpa and famously said "I just fucking shot myself"? |
| As I see the issue, the problem begins with trying to draw the gun just slightly (milliseconds) before releasing the paddle with the finger surface parallel to the paddle. The gun does not release, so the reflex is to now change from the area even with the back of the fingernail, to the tip of the finger. Once the paddle is released and the gun is drawn that force to trip the paddle is now pushing your finger into the trigger guard area before you can stop it. With the Glock design the finger can easily hit the trigger, however with other guns, most notably, the Sig P22X, your finger will hit the frame above the trigger. If you can train to keep your trigger finger parallel to the release paddle and never go perpendicular, and hit the paddle prior to starting the draw, Glockleg risk can be significantly eliminated. |
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As I see the issue, the problem begins with trying to draw the gun just slightly (milliseconds) before releasing the paddle with the finger surface parallel to the paddle. The gun does not release, so the reflex is to now change from the area even with the back of the fingernail, to the tip of the finger. Once the paddle is released and the gun is drawn that force to trip the paddle is now pushing your finger into the trigger guard area before you can stop it. With the Glock design the finger can easily hit the trigger, however with other guns, most notably, the Sig P22X, your finger will hit the frame above the trigger. If you can train to keep your trigger finger parallel to the release paddle and never go perpendicular, and hit the paddle prior to starting the draw, Glockleg risk can be significantly eliminated. Know the limitations of your equipment and work within them. If we're going to start scrapping stuff because it's not idiot proof, there wouldn't be much left. |
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As I see the issue, the problem begins with trying to draw the gun just slightly (milliseconds) before releasing the paddle with the finger surface parallel to the paddle. The gun does not release, so the reflex is to now change from the area even with the back of the fingernail, to the tip of the finger. Once the paddle is released and the gun is drawn that force to trip the paddle is now pushing your finger into the trigger guard area before you can stop it. With the Glock design the finger can easily hit the trigger, however with other guns, most notably, the Sig P22X, your finger will hit the frame above the trigger. If you can train to keep your trigger finger parallel to the release paddle and never go perpendicular, and hit the paddle prior to starting the draw, Glockleg risk can be significantly eliminated. |
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Poor training being blamed on gear. But, at the end of the day, there are now better holsters out there. If I gave 10 newbies 10 holsters each, and a higher percentage of those using the Serpa ND'd, the poor training isn't the reason it failed. |
Here it is...
 Original Upload, I Just Shot Myself! |
| There are many issues with the Serpa. Finger moving to the trigger under stress, easy to break holster off belt, getting grit or sand in the mechanism prevents the holster from releasing the gun... Serpas are terrible. The people who swear by them have not used them one in adverse conditions. |
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Poor Training does not excuse away design flaws. If I gave 10 newbies 10 holsters each, and a higher percentage of those using the Serpa ND'd, the poor training isn't the reason it failed. Quoted:
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Poor training being blamed on gear. But, at the end of the day, there are now better holsters out there. If I gave 10 newbies 10 holsters each, and a higher percentage of those using the Serpa ND'd, the poor training isn't the reason it failed. Which is odd, especially considering how many tens of thousands of them are in use by police agencies and militaries world wide. |
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Of course, that would require actual statistical data. Something that's sorely missing from these kinds of discussions. Which is odd, especially considering how many tens of thousands of them are in use by police agencies and militaries world wide. |
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IMHO, the even bigger ploblem than "Glock leg" with the SERPA is that it's just a shitty, ill-fitted holster made with cheap material and shitty fastening hardware. One good solid yank and the holster snaps right off of the belt attachment.
Safariland's ALS system means SERPA should stay in the "use it on the range if it was free" category. |
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Of course, that would require actual statistical data. Something that's sorely missing from these kinds of discussions. Which is odd, especially considering how many tens of thousands of them are in use by police agencies and militaries world wide. |
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Of course, that would require actual statistical data. Something that's sorely missing from these kinds of discussions. Which is odd, especially considering how many tens of thousands of them are in use by police agencies and militaries world wide. |
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Of course, that would require actual statistical data. Something that's sorely missing from these kinds of discussions. Which is odd, especially considering how many tens of thousands of them are in use by police agencies and militaries world wide. |
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Have you tried Google? Quoted:
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Of course, that would require actual statistical data. Something that's sorely missing from these kinds of discussions. Which is odd, especially considering how many tens of thousands of them are in use by police agencies and militaries world wide. Training issue. Like I said before, there are better holsters out there, but a lot of flack it gets comes from people unwilling to admit that they're the problem. |
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Yes. The study that concluded that duress while draw leads to cascading failures when using the holster, including using it improperly. Training issue. Like I said before, there are better holsters out there, but a lot of flack it gets comes from people unwilling to admit that they're the problem. |
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Why are you ignoring the other problems associated with serpas that i listed? Quoted:
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Yes. The study that concluded that duress while draw leads to cascading failures when using the holster, including using it improperly. Training issue. Like I said before, there are better holsters out there, but a lot of flack it gets comes from people unwilling to admit that they're the problem. The breakage issue would be a huge turn off for me if I were a cop needing a duty holster. Of course, I'm not a cop needing a duty holster, so it's not really relevant to me & I don't think OP is a cop looking for a duty holster either. |
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No problems, only stupid people. Quoted:
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Wow. Op must have JUST woken up under a rock somewhere. Been asleep for 15 years? FLETC, the LAPD, and Dallas PD have documented the problems and banned the holster. So have Wilson Tactical Training and Larry Vickers. Pat Rogers has just said they suck. Pretty sure CBP has banned it too. It's always awesome when school starts again and the stupid comments stop. |