[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 10/22 grouping. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/24/2017 1:40:00 PM EDT
| Ive had my 10/22 for about 20 years. Walnut stock, factory barrel. I put tec sights on it for an appleseed last fall and have gotten back into shooting it. Shot some 10 round groups with Federal Auto Match at 25m prone supported. Started out at 1 3/8", removed barrel band and shot 1 3/16". I then shimmed the barrel at the front of the stock with a business card and shot 1 1/16" groups several times. Thats right at 4 MOA. Is that acceptable with my setup? I would think 2 MOA should be in reach. |
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Try better ammunition, standard velocity such as the current Norma.
Some of us are starting to think that current Automatch is not as accurate as it was when it was a new product. Focus on the front sight, squeeze, and follow through. Don't forget to breathe correctly, and don't try to hold the sight picture too long, start over after 10 seconds or so. Try a prone position rolled over slightly onto your side opposite your trigger hand so you can breathe better. |
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Trigger may be part of the issue. Check out this article |
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You might also want to try changing the torque on the stock mounting screw. Several good youtube videos on anecdotal benefits. Costs nothing to try and you may be pleasantly surprised. |
| It might be the ammo or your eyes / technique.....the rifle itself can (should) shoot tighter than that. Â You might want to try some match ammo with a scope for comparison. Â At 25m I'd expect a ragged hole. Â With open sights an inch is respectable, but can likely be improved on. Â That said, I shouldnt speak because my eyes suck anymore and I rely on optics way too much |
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It might be the ammo or your eyes / technique.....the rifle itself can (should) shoot tighter than that. Â You might want to try some match ammo with a scope for comparison. Â At 25m I'd expect a ragged hole. Â With open sights an inch is respectable, but can likely be improved on. Â That said, I shouldnt speak because my eyes suck anymore and I rely on optics way too much |
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Not much more you can do to the stock rifle. As mentioned, better quality ammo.
If you are looking to switch some things out, changing out the barrel is where I would start. Green Mountain is worth a look. This is from my 10/22, GM 18" fluted barrel, Hogue stock. Everything else is factory parts. But polished the trigger parts and installed a travel stop. 25m with bulk pack. 
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I concur. And I wasn't all that impressed with it early on, but especially now. Pistol ammunition IMO Quoted:
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Some of us are starting to think that current Automatch is not as accurate as it was when it was a new product. And I wasn't all that impressed with it early on, but especially now. Pistol ammunition IMO You'll need to try several different types of ammo op. .22 rimfires ten to be finicky about the ammo they shoot reliably and accurately. |
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Send it here.
http://www.ct-precision.com Have the full tuneup done. Worth every penny. |
| Federal Automatch has been mostly what I shoot in .22lr lately (10/22TD and others) and I haven't been impressed with it at all. I'm not expecting submoa target loads but it seems inconsistent at best. I'm debating shooting off all I have left it just selling it and getting some better .22lr ammo. |
| Automatch isnt very accurate in my experience. CCI standard velocity is pretty accurate for the money. One time I tried a box of some type of Eley. It was expensive like $10-$12 for 50. It shot incredibly well. Wherever the crosshairs were when the hammer hit a .22 caliber hole showed up. CCI standard velocity is my go to though for my heavy bbl 10/22. For other guns just blasting at steel I use whatever bulk packs I have. Federal red box has been reliable, golden bullets work, the automatch is reliable. Another accurate .22 I have some of is Norma tac something or another. Its a really slippery bullet, but the 1 time I sat at the bench with it from my hvy bbl 10/22 it shot very well. |
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Check your front sight. No joke, mine was shipped with a loose dovetail. Went to the range (with a fellow arfcommer for the first time) and couldn't hit crap. I bet he still thinks I can't shoot.  |
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Check your front sight. No joke, mine was shipped with a loose dovetail. Went to the range (with a fellow arfcommer for the first time) and couldn't hit crap. I bet he still thinks I can't shoot. http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger-products/?add-to-cart=43Attached File |
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Was that a long time ago? I know at some point they changed their front sight. Quoted:
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Check your front sight. No joke, mine was shipped with a loose dovetail. Went to the range (with a fellow arfcommer for the first time) and couldn't hit crap. I bet he still thinks I can't shoot. |
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geez. 7, 8 years ago maybe? Quoted:
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Check your front sight. No joke, mine was shipped with a loose dovetail. Went to the range (with a fellow arfcommer for the first time) and couldn't hit crap. I bet he still thinks I can't shoot. eta somebody posted a pic. Mine dont have those screws on the front sight and Im pretty sure the base is aluminum. Apparently the new ones are steel which seems like an improvement. |
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I have these sights http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger-products/?add-to-cart=43https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/451123/image-194544.JPG Quoted:
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Check your front sight. No joke, mine was shipped with a loose dovetail. Went to the range (with a fellow arfcommer for the first time) and couldn't hit crap. I bet he still thinks I can't shoot. http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger-products/?add-to-cart=43https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/451123/image-194544.JPG |
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I didn't think it was possible for most people to shoot better than 4moa with any iron sights. I need to find out how tight I can shoot with a 3-9x40. |
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Are there any readily available, economic match grade 22 lr syou can recomend? Wolf Match Just spend the money to get the good stuff. Out of my class of 12, 8 earned their badge. Though none were as proud as I was doing it with the open sights (on my 3rd try )
PM if you have any questions. |
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For a stock barrel, or should a heavy barrel be purchased?
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Yeah, I want to start doing appleseeds again, it's been a couple of years.
My rifle is pretty much stock other than the tech sights. While I'm sure some of the blame can be placed on the shooter ( ), I'm sure some other things can be improved on, like ammo, tune-up, etc. Was just looking at ammo options yesterday, and went down a rabbit hole looking at .22 resizers and rim measuring.
The ammo I used at both shoots was the CCI blazer, which is usually a good round in my rifle, but not quite good enough it would seem. |
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OP, I just completed my first appleseed this weekend. Out of 12 people there I was the only person there with a 10/22 w/ tech sights. One other guy brought an AR w/ dedicated 22 upper with open sights. The other 10 all had scopes. That said basically everyone (including myself) used this ammo. Wolf Match Just spend the money to get the good stuff. Out of my class of 12, 8 earned their badge. Though none were as proud as I was doing it with the open sights (on my 3rd try )
PM if you have any questions. |
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Wolf Match is your answer. Nothing like it.
It is Lupua .22 rimfire. More here: Accurate .22 Ammo |
| CCI ammo cuts my groups in half over Automatch. Some guns shoot it ok but it's ammo for kids and plinking. Your gun should shoot 2 MOA with good ammo if you handle it right. The Aguila standard vel ammo is prettty good too. Our guns shoot very well with the barrel band even when the sling mount is on it. Make sure the barrel screws and action screw are tight. Don't go gorilla on them though. You can strip them. |
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I've had rather good luck with Blazer bulk .22. It's as uncoated bullet that shoots pretty good in my Savage Mk ll Tactical. Bonus for being one off the cheaper types you'll find.
My Remington 513T lives Winchester T22 but l haven't seen it in years. It was uncoated as well and cheap back then. $17/500. I'm sure none of this is as accurate as Wolf Match but I've also never seen Wolf Match to try. |
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Wolf Match is your answer. Nothing like it. It is Lupua .22 rimfire. More here: Accurate .22 Ammo Even at their best, "there's a surprise in every box". Try this - http://www.championshooters.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=2890&virtuemart_category_id=214&Itemid=111 |
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So you're saying the bolt is fine to leave and use? Just trying to understand what's left if you change all those other things.....lol  Quoted:
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I LOL'd. Ive been wanting to do that since i bought the rifle. No extra funds at the time. The back bottom of the bolt can also be rounded to help reduce the amount of force required to reset the trigger. Polishing the top of the bolt will also help. The vee block under the barrel can also cause issues if the barrel is not square in the receiver. There is also some debate on how much of the stock to freefloat. If you don't use stingers, you can cut down the chamber on the barrel so that the end of the bullet is closer to the rifling... it is not recommended to do this if you use stingers as they are a bit longer.... I believe that drilling and placing a pin above the firing pin was another thing that can be done to help ensure consistent primer (rimfire) strikes. My buddy was going to buy all new parts and i was taking a stock 10/22 and doing all the recommended upgrades. We were going to see who had the most accurate rifle.... I can't remember how well they shot (I am sure I won though ).. we kind of lost interest when getting ammo became problematic.
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I have two bricks of Wolf Match and one of SK Standard Plus made in 2013 that will lose a match. It's good squirrel hunting ammunition, but is not the usual quality. Even at their best, "there's a surprise in every box". Try this - http://www.championshooters.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=2890&virtuemart_category_id=214&Itemid=111 Quoted:
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Wolf Match is your answer. Nothing like it. It is Lupua .22 rimfire. More here: Accurate .22 Ammo Even at their best, "there's a surprise in every box". Try this - http://www.championshooters.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=2890&virtuemart_category_id=214&Itemid=111 But to each his own. 
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