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4/4/2017 8:20:21 PM EDT
https://www.google.com/get/sunroof#p=0

Google has data for some areas to estimate how viable solar would be.

For me it is recommending I get a 6kW install (which it guesstimates at $15k), and after 20 years I'll have saved $1k.

Maybe in a few more years if installs get cheaper solar might be more viable.
4/4/2017 8:22:06 PM EDT
[#1]
Some guys here are really into solar power and will show you ways to collect and store energy right away.

Their set-ups are fucking amazing!!!
4/4/2017 8:27:53 PM EDT
[#2]
They have no date for my house but I installed a 24Kw solar system a year ago on my roof and so far it has generated 32.2 Megawatt hours of electricity.

Electricity costs about 20c per KwH here, and each MwH generates a credit that sells for about $200, so it has benefited my by about $13k in a year, cost after tax credits was $70k, so it is on track to pay for itself in 5-6 years and will then get me $200-250k over it's projected/warranted life.
4/4/2017 8:33:47 PM EDT
[#3]
It shows me as being over $2K in the hole after 20 years.
4/4/2017 9:20:30 PM EDT
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Just imagine how much the gov has wasted saved investing in solar energy.
4/4/2017 9:35:01 PM EDT
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https://www.google.com/get/sunroof#p=0

Google has data for some areas to estimate how viable solar would be.

For me it is recommending I get a 6kW install (which it guesstimates at $15k), and after 20 years I'll have saved $1k.

Maybe in a few more years if installs get cheaper solar might be more viable.
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Solar is really the last thing you want to do, after you upgrade A/C, Furnace, water heater, windows and doors, insulation. Worst ROI and if you lease it you will never see a payback.
4/4/2017 9:40:09 PM EDT
[#6]
I put my address in the website and it looks like just another Google marketing tactic to make money by referring you to a business.

I already have all the hardware and am building an 800 Watt solar system just for my ham radio and emergency backup.
4/4/2017 10:11:29 PM EDT
[#7]
My costs after incentives was $11k and a total savings over 20 years will be $1k.
4/4/2017 10:16:45 PM EDT
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https://www.google.com/get/sunroof#p=0

Google has data for some areas to estimate how viable solar would be.

For me it is recommending I get a 6kW install (which it guesstimates at $15k), and after 20 years I'll have saved $1k.

Maybe in a few more years if installs get cheaper solar might be more viable.
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crazy.

My system cost 26k and I am on track to see an ROI in about 9 years assuming my inverter doesn't go out out of warranty. You need to study up on it. It's not that difficult.
4/4/2017 10:18:07 PM EDT
[#9]
Total 20 year savings -$18,556.


Yeah, I'll get right on that
4/4/2017 10:28:50 PM EDT
[#10]
20 year savings of $400. 
4/4/2017 10:31:40 PM EDT
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crazy.

My system cost 26k and I am on track to see an ROI in about 9 years assuming my inverter doesn't go out out of warranty. You need to study up on it. It's not that difficult.
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You may not be smart enough.

Under perfect conditions solar may turn a profit, 87? of the country does not have perfect conditions. I have a hip roof and sides point to all points of the compass. But the angle of the roof is wrong requiting a steel armiture to mount the panels. That requires Reenforcing the roof which means ripping off the two layers of shingles and replacing the entire good roof we already have.

Then there are the trees surrounding the house and debris from them, and moss, artillery fungus, lichens.....should I go on?

Are you aware blocking 5% of a currently available solar panel cuts its power output in half?
If solar were really all that don't you think at least the people as smart as you would be doing it?
4/4/2017 10:58:21 PM EDT
[#12]
Depending on how you pay for it, anywhere form -$17,330 to $7,195. Thats is for a 12kw system. I have a large roof but it looks like they are recommending an 846 sq ft system. Orientation must not be optimal. Our electric is very high so its something I'd be interested in but I think it would be a very expensive system.

4/4/2017 11:05:42 PM EDT
[#13]
My dad works on high end buildings and renovations in New York City. He worked for someone who spent 40 million on his townhouse and renovation and put a few solar panels on the roof of the place. He asked an electrician why they even bothered and how much power they would put out. The electrical said 1 day of AC power consumption was a whole year of the panels being in the sun

He wasn't doing it for the money, he was doing it to project an image.
4/4/2017 11:12:02 PM EDT
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It shows me as being over $2K in the hole after 20 years.
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Well I guess I don't need to look then......
4/4/2017 11:19:33 PM EDT
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Depending on how you pay for it, anywhere form -$17,330 to $7,195. Thats is for a 12kw system. I have a large roof but it looks like they are recommending an 846 sq ft system. Orientation must not be optimal. Our electric is very high so its something I'd be interested in but I think it would be a very expensive system.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/183699/Screen-Shot-2017-04-04-at-10-181181.png
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Holy crap. Everyone in GD really is a millionaire.
4/4/2017 11:21:10 PM EDT
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But you would be saving the planet!
4/4/2017 11:23:51 PM EDT
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Holy crap. Everyone in GD really is a millionaire.
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Depending on how you pay for it, anywhere form -$17,330 to $7,195. Thats is for a 12kw system. I have a large roof but it looks like they are recommending an 846 sq ft system. Orientation must not be optimal. Our electric is very high so its something I'd be interested in but I think it would be a very expensive system.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/183699/Screen-Shot-2017-04-04-at-10-181181.png
Holy crap. Everyone in GD really is a millionaire.
Staff should change the bronze membership to $10K.
4/4/2017 11:29:29 PM EDT
[#18]
15 year break even by their calculations.
$8k profit in 30 years after $22k investment.
Pass
4/4/2017 11:32:00 PM EDT
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How else are you going to pay for a fucking gold roof
4/4/2017 11:38:18 PM EDT
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According to the website, it would cost $17,000 more than I'd pay the electric company over 20 years... no thanks.
4/4/2017 11:59:02 PM EDT
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Well I  must be  lucky. Says my return on investment is 6k in 15 yrs. But isn't the tax credit something to consider? Having a 14k tax credit for 20yrs would help me out in dealing with uncle sam.
4/5/2017 1:24:17 AM EDT
[#22]
Total 20-year savings -$20,177

HA
4/5/2017 1:30:22 AM EDT
[#23]
Hope you never need roof repairs... no roofer is going to touch your house after you have a 3rd party bolt a bunch of high voltage shit to it.
4/5/2017 1:30:43 AM EDT
[#24]
$12k over 20 years for me.

But it's a 10 year payback...
4/5/2017 1:42:22 AM EDT
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Depending on how you pay for it, anywhere form -$17,330 to $7,195. Thats is for a 12kw system. I have a large roof but it looks like they are recommending an 846 sq ft system. Orientation must not be optimal. Our electric is very high so its something I'd be interested in but I think it would be a very expensive system.

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Sweet fucking house!
4/5/2017 1:46:54 AM EDT
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Total 20-year savings.                   $2,079.

Net present value at 4% discount rate: -$5,317.

4/5/2017 2:08:01 AM EDT
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Also good luck trying to refinance or sell the house. Lenders want nothing to do with big, attached solar systems that are going to degrade and be worth dick after a decade.
4/5/2017 2:24:39 AM EDT
[#28]
Wow.  Even buying the setup outright I'm still almost 2 grand in the hole after 20 years.

Where do I sign?  
4/5/2017 2:36:03 AM EDT
[#29]
Golf cart batteries and windmills would work better in my AO... My old neighbor used to do that.
4/5/2017 2:40:34 AM EDT
[#30]
Solar is only economical for certain areas with lots of sun and few local energy alternatives like Hawaii. There is a lot of sun here in SoCal but the energy is cheap and plentiful which makes solar a big loser.
4/5/2017 7:20:50 AM EDT
[#31]
15k in the hole for me lol.
4/5/2017 7:24:58 AM EDT
[#32]
Rofl, it won't do the White House.
4/5/2017 7:55:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Savings
  • Lease/PPA: -746
  • Loan: -307
  • Buy: 5875 over 20 years
4/5/2017 8:16:09 AM EDT
[#34]
The only way to make solar a viable unsubsidized alternative at this time, is for the greenies to over-regulate and overtax the fossil and nuke plants, making electricity artificially more expensive. It would be similar to Europe's taxation of vehicle fuel to encourage mass transit. 
4/5/2017 8:22:34 AM EDT
[#35]
Solar is the future, once technology catches up.  
We'll see advances, probably through space programs.

My old man has a home on lake Michigan, he needed a new roof.  He gives no cares about the environment, just dollars and cents.

He needs to spend money for tax purposes as investments roll over.

He dropped $60k on a metal roof, solar panels on 2/3 of it, and the battery bank/ computer system to run it.

On clear days he runs the house completely off the grid.  He used to run $600-$800 power bills. Not anymore.

Key points.  
A) FBHO had/has a massive "tax credit" for doing it.
B) it added to the value of the house.
C) location location location.

The reflection off of the lake with no trees blocking the sun =optimal.

He'll get his money out and break even when he sells in a few years, coupled with the savings on electric bill.


Bonus is he isn't dependent on utilities, between the panels, an arteisan well, and fireplaces.... He and mom are set.


It's not for everyone, but his is a case where it makes sense.

IMO once tech gets there we will see it cheaper, more efficient and prevalent.

Google is just getting ahead of the curve.
4/5/2017 8:29:16 AM EDT
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Not really viable where I am, we are incredibly overcast and there would be snow on the panels off and on for 3-5 months of the year.

If I lived in the south west I would definitely be giving it a serious look.
4/5/2017 8:42:20 AM EDT
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I'm racing to my phone for this deal.

I've actually looked at doing it right for about 20k and I want to say 50% or so off my electric bill.
4/5/2017 11:51:10 AM EDT
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Google sunroof isnt available in my area so i was wondering if anyone here who is familiar with solar could critique/estimate the suitability of my house for panel installs?   The home is just outside Montgomery AL; the rear roof of my house there faces SW.  I guess directly S would be ideal but SW wouldnt seem too bad, no?  No trees nearby, basically the sun beats down on that SW roof all day long.  That rear roof there is approx 400sqft and is angled up a a fairly high pitch, possibly 30-40 degrees.

4/5/2017 11:55:30 AM EDT
[#39]
Fuckin PNW


1,104 hours of usable sunlight per year
Based on day-to-day analysis of weather patterns
247 sq feet available for solar panels
Based on 3D modeling of your roof and nearby trees
4/5/2017 11:58:24 AM EDT
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15 year break even by their calculations.
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My numbers are about the same.

Too bad the panels will be broken in less than 20 years, requiring more money laid out to replace them.

Do you even negative savings, bro?
4/5/2017 11:58:29 AM EDT
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Lots of things are "the Future", once technology catches up.  

Of course, just like nuclear power, if solar collection ever really becomes viable, the globo-Marxists will find a way to kill it.  Cheap abundant energy damages their agenda too much.
4/5/2017 11:59:09 AM EDT
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Google sunroof isnt available in my area so i was wondering if anyone here who is familiar with solar could critique/estimate the suitability of my house for panel installs?   The home is just outside Montgomery AL; the rear roof of my house there faces SW.  I guess directly S would be ideal but SW wouldnt seem too bad, no?  No trees nearby, basically the sun beats down on that SW roof all day long.  That rear roof there is approx 400sqft and is angled up a a fairly high pitch, possibly 30-40 degrees.

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With that amount of property would it be better to do ground mount solar?
4/5/2017 12:04:01 PM EDT
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It just depends. I checked my house and the break even date is 23 years But when I calculated it for my parents it was 5 years, now that's an investment worth looking into...  but they use more electricity, pay more for that electricity and have a better roof for solar and I only looked at adding enough to get them out of the top tier.
4/5/2017 12:10:04 PM EDT
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Lots of things are "the Future", once technology catches up.  

Of course, just like nuclear power, if solar collection ever really becomes viable, the globo-Marxists will find a way to kill it.  Cheap abundant energy damages their agenda too much.
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QFT!!!

Looks like my savings in part of North Dakota would be around -$11,000 after 20 years.

Where do I sign up!?!?

Solar panels don't work so well when they're covered in snow & ice.
4/5/2017 12:13:49 PM EDT
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Not terrible, I guess.
4/5/2017 12:20:30 PM EDT
[#46]
It selects the wrong house for my address... anyone else have this issue?
4/5/2017 12:22:52 PM EDT
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https://www.google.com/get/sunroof#p=0

Google has data for some areas to estimate how viable solar would be.

For me it is recommending I get a 6kW install (which it guesstimates at $15k), and after 20 years I'll have saved $1k.

Maybe in a few more years if installs get cheaper solar might be more viable.
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How much do you pay currently for electricity.

How much would you pay monthly for a 10 year or 15 year loan on 15k?
4/5/2017 12:23:02 PM EDT
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4/5/2017 12:32:24 PM EDT
[#49]
Total 20-year savings

Net present value at 4% discount rate: -$10,444.
-$14,392


4/5/2017 12:37:54 PM EDT
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