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2/4/2017 10:15:09 AM EDT
I'm buying my first mountain bike. There are a ton of trails in northwest Arkansas. We have a massive paved bike loop and all these trails connect off the loop. We had the IMBA World Summit here a couple months ago. We also have a place called the Railyard that's a big jump park.  

I want the Trek Stache. It's a 29+ hardtail that seems like it's a good do it all bike. I'm debating between the Stache 5 and 7. Is the 7 worth the $500 premium? Or should I get the 5 and upgrade components along the way? I have no problem spending a lot more money on a bike but want to make sure it's something I'll keep doing before spending $4-5k.
2/4/2017 10:17:35 AM EDT
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I'm buying my first mountain bike. There are a ton of trails in northwest Arkansas. We have a massive paved bike loop and all these trails connect off the loop. We had the IMBA World Summit here a couple months ago. We also have a place called the Railyard that's a big jump park.  

I want the Trek Stache. It's a 29+ hardtail that seems like it's a good do it all bike. I'm debating between the Stache 5 and 7. Is the 7 worth the $500 premium? Or should I get the 5 and upgrade components along the way? I have no problem spending a lot more money on a bike but want to make sure it's something I'll keep doing before spending $4-5k.
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Buy a used Santa Cruz cross country with full suspension for around 1k.
2/4/2017 10:36:58 AM EDT
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I have to admit it.  I clicked on this thread trying to remember who from Star Trek had a stache.
2/4/2017 10:38:19 AM EDT
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Many high end used bikes on eBay.
2/4/2017 10:40:36 AM EDT
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Worf, what do I win?
2/4/2017 10:43:52 AM EDT
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Me too.


2/4/2017 10:44:26 AM EDT
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This, I was thinking of the episode with the evil parallel Enterprise and crew, where Kirk was beamed up to the evil Enterprise. If I remember didn't they all have goatees?
2/4/2017 10:45:41 AM EDT
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For Arkansas, I'd recommend a good full suspension 29er. Get a XC bike.

I have a  Carver Gnarvester Ti 29+ bike and a  Niner Jet 9 RDO, and the Niner wins hands down in AR.
2/4/2017 10:46:54 AM EDT
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I'm buying my first mountain bike. There are a ton of trails in northwest Arkansas. We have a massive paved bike loop and all these trails connect off the loop. We had the IMBA World Summit here a couple months ago. We also have a place called the Railyard that's a big jump park.  

I want the Trek Stache. It's a 29+ hardtail that seems like it's a good do it all bike. I'm debating between the Stache 5 and 7. Is the 7 worth the $500 premium? Or should I get the 5 and upgrade components along the way? I have no problem spending a lot more money on a bike but want to make sure it's something I'll keep doing before spending $4-5k.
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Op here is the info you seek, Pink bike fwiw I like the 27.5
2/4/2017 10:58:34 AM EDT
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I thought this thread was about this...

2/4/2017 10:59:13 AM EDT
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Guilty, as charged.  
2/4/2017 11:02:22 AM EDT
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what other bikes are in the shed, OP?
2/4/2017 11:05:34 AM EDT
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me too
2/4/2017 11:08:05 AM EDT
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There can be only one.

Harcourt Fenton Mudd. 
2/4/2017 11:16:50 AM EDT
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Have you looked at the Jamis Dragon?

And no you don't need a full suspension.
2/4/2017 12:00:19 PM EDT
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It is usually cheaper to just go ahead and by the bike with the upgraded components already on it. I say if you plan to upgrade the components and not upgrade the bike go ahead and spend the extra for better components at the time of purchase.
2/4/2017 12:05:13 PM EDT
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I'm buying my first mountain bike. There are a ton of trails in northwest Arkansas. We have a massive paved bike loop and all these trails connect off the loop. We had the IMBA World Summit here a couple months ago. We also have a place called the Railyard that's a big jump park.  

I want the Trek Stache. It's a 29+ hardtail that seems like it's a good do it all bike. I'm debating between the Stache 5 and 7. Is the 7 worth the $500 premium? Or should I get the 5 and upgrade components along the way? I have no problem spending a lot more money on a bike but want to make sure it's something I'll keep doing before spending $4-5k.
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What's your riding experience?  The Stacey is a big burley bike that is also pretty slow compared to a more traditional hard tail.

On a bike like that if you get it go tubeless as the tire size is wasted with tubes.
2/4/2017 12:06:17 PM EDT
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So.......we're not doing this then?

2/4/2017 12:16:14 PM EDT
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What's your riding experience?  The Stacey is a big burley bike that is also pretty slow compared to a more traditional hard tail.

On a bike like that if you get it go tubeless as the tire size is wasted with tubes.
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I'm buying my first mountain bike. There are a ton of trails in northwest Arkansas. We have a massive paved bike loop and all these trails connect off the loop. We had the IMBA World Summit here a couple months ago. We also have a place called the Railyard that's a big jump park.  

I want the Trek Stache. It's a 29+ hardtail that seems like it's a good do it all bike. I'm debating between the Stache 5 and 7. Is the 7 worth the $500 premium? Or should I get the 5 and upgrade components along the way? I have no problem spending a lot more money on a bike but want to make sure it's something I'll keep doing before spending $4-5k.

What's your riding experience?  The Stacey is a big burley bike that is also pretty slow compared to a more traditional hard tail.

On a bike like that if you get it go tubeless as the tire size is wasted with tubes.


Mountain bikes none. Lots of dirt bike and motocross experience.
2/4/2017 12:19:05 PM EDT
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How about Riker?  More of a beard but that should count.  Plus he had that cool leg sweep over the chair move.
2/4/2017 12:26:59 PM EDT
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Me too
2/4/2017 12:29:17 PM EDT
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How about Riker?  More of a beard but that should count.  Plus he had that cool leg sweep over the chair move.
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How about Riker?  More of a beard but that should count.  Plus he had that cool leg sweep over the chair move.


https://youtu.be/lVIGhYMwRgs

2/4/2017 12:35:55 PM EDT
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don't buy a brand new bike, you get so much more buying a used one! Look for demos at a local shop for sale, my buddy picked up a full suspension Specialized for a little more than 1/2 off a brand new bike by buying a lightly used demo.
2/4/2017 12:41:00 PM EDT
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If you're just riding for fun, I'd go with 27.5+ instead.
2/4/2017 12:50:35 PM EDT
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Trek stache thread?  So in

2/4/2017 12:53:03 PM EDT
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OP, as an avid MTB'er I must agree with those who said to buy a used bike first. There was an article on Singletracks.com just the other day that showed Mountain Bikes depreciate about 45% in year one. You could get a killer deal on a great bike that is barely used (maybe even this years model). Do a little more digging around and see what you can find before pulling the trigger.

I also agree that unless you're gonna be riding smooth, buffed out trails, get a Full Suspension Trail bike. They barely weigh more than a hardtail and give you so much more control, power transfer and comfort especially when the going gets technical. I would get a trail bike over an xc bike for your area. I like 29ers myself, but not everybody does. Lots of good brands out there. Check out some of the offerings from Niner, Yeti, and Pivot besides the big makers.
2/4/2017 12:53:31 PM EDT
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No comment on whether the Stache is the right bike for you, there are too many good choices out there.  Personally, if I was looking for one do-it-all MTB, I would likely buy a 27.5 full suspension XC bike.  When you get bored with lapping your buddies on that bike, then look for a hardtail.

Now, as to the question you asked...  Between the 5 and 7, I would lean towards the 7 for a few key differences, the biggest (for me) would be the move from Shimano Deore (not a fan) to the Sram group.
2/4/2017 12:58:33 PM EDT
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OP, I just picked up my first mountain bike about a month ago and love it. Check out the specialized rockhopper pro. With tubeless tires it was $1300 out the door. I am very happy with my hardtail and will consider adding a full suspension once I gain some proficiency.
2/4/2017 12:59:23 PM EDT
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same
2/4/2017 1:07:36 PM EDT
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The 29+ tires have tons of traction and ride incredibly soft BUT they also roll incredibly slow because of their weight and rolling resistance.

If you have any interest in riding with buddies or doing some faster trail riding at Slaughter Pen or Devil's Den you'll be happier with a one of the X-Caliber bikes and 29x2.2 or 2.3 tires.

Either way go tubeless to get the true benefit of the tires.  It'll be worth the upgrade.
2/4/2017 1:14:56 PM EDT
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2/4/2017 1:16:57 PM EDT
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2/4/2017 2:18:59 PM EDT
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I had a 29" hardtail, it kicked ass. Specialized that I picked up real cheap($800 brand new because it was last years model in the middle of winter). Got stolen right out of my garage before I had even gotten in a half dozen rides 

29's kick ass.

Thieves must fucking die.
2/4/2017 2:51:10 PM EDT
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29ers suck!!  It's not a mountain bike thread without some wheel size arguments.

Sorry about the stolen bike.  Had that happen it does suck.
2/4/2017 2:59:37 PM EDT
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Go to a couple demo days and ride different brands. For 29er; salsa and niner have the best geometry imho.

jenson is always discounting out their niners and tree fort has year end deals on salsa
2/4/2017 2:59:39 PM EDT
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This is great advice. You can pick up a used SC XC for cents on the dollar that has already gone though the depreciation cycle.

The 27.5 is good advice too IMO.

Good luck!
2/4/2017 10:08:33 PM EDT
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same here
2/4/2017 10:17:21 PM EDT
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I believe he did that due to an injury that caused permanent damage earlier in his life.
2/4/2017 10:20:22 PM EDT
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Me too
2/4/2017 10:23:18 PM EDT
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scintillating.
2/4/2017 11:15:29 PM EDT
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2/5/2017 12:21:49 PM EDT
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Jonathan William Shatner Frakes?

2/5/2017 12:23:42 PM EDT
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I rode a trek for years and still thought this thread was going to somehow be about

Mustaches in Star Trek.
2/5/2017 4:03:14 PM EDT
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I went and looked at some bikes. Changed my mind completely. I want a Kona Precept now. Test ride one and it's fun. Full suspension 27.5. Entry level but should do the job.
2/5/2017 4:14:29 PM EDT
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I'm partial to the 27.5 plus myself. That's my next bike.
The plus size rubber gives better traction and compensates for some skills (or lack thereof )
2/5/2017 4:54:24 PM EDT
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The 29+ tires have tons of traction and ride incredibly soft BUT they also roll incredibly slow because of their weight and rolling resistance.

If you have any interest in riding with buddies or doing some faster trail riding at Slaughter Pen or Devil's Den you'll be happier with a one of the X-Caliber bikes and 29x2.2 or 2.3 tires.

Either way go tubeless to get the true benefit of the tires.  It'll be worth the upgrade.
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They will roll quite well. In tests I've seen, the +tire bikes are all faster than the 2.3 versions in a roll test. But because of the weight, it's going to be ponderous in twisty singletrack. That doesn't sound like fun to me. I prefer my 26er the most on the twisty stuff, 2.35 tires.
2/5/2017 4:58:21 PM EDT
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I went and looked at some bikes. Changed my mind completely. I want a Kona Precept now. Test ride one and it's fun. Full suspension 27.5. Entry level but should do the job.
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Ditch the 2.25 Ardents and get the 2.4s, EXO/TR, set up tubeless.
2/5/2017 6:06:32 PM EDT
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I'm not terribly far away from you, and ride mostly XC.  I have two old bikes, a Specialized hardtail for XC (light) and a Voodoo Zobop trail rig (a couple pounds more), both are icky 26ers.  They serve me well, and have for years.  I slowly upgraded both to XT groupsets, it was well worth it.

Resist all the Internet DH jockeys, you gotta go out west to do any of that, I took my trail rig to CA and did Big Bear and Mammoth, it was the most fun I've had on two wheels, and I'm also a road/cyclocross/Motocross/Harley guy.  Focus on what you ride most, develop your skills, then sign up for a race and see what you got.  I'll be participating in the MORCS series(local XC racing series) again this year, my first race in a long time was last year.

Check out GMBN on YouTube, it's a great informative series put on by ex pros.
2/5/2017 6:16:55 PM EDT
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me too