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11/26/2016 9:30:26 AM EDT
I just completed a 4-day practical rifle class and it is the first time I used my Vortex Sparc II for extensive shooting.  Everything went relatively well and the Sparc II held zero nicely.  However, I have a question regarding the red dot not being in a perfect circle through my 63-year old eyes; in fact it is a series of clusters of dots.  The instructor told me it was my eyes and to use the highest point of the cluster as my aiming point.  Is anyone else having similar experiences?  Is there anyway to get a perfect circular dot?
11/26/2016 9:39:34 AM EDT
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Fix your stigmatizm.
11/26/2016 9:39:53 AM EDT
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I'm no doctor...but it sounds like you might have some sparkles reflecting off of cataracts.
11/26/2016 9:40:37 AM EDT
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Astigmatism will do that
11/26/2016 9:43:27 AM EDT
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This.  I have to turn my reddots down as low as I can stand it and pick out the brightest spot
11/26/2016 9:46:57 AM EDT
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I sold my Aimpoint because of astigmatism.   It looked like a sparkly banana.  If you doubt your optic, take a picture of it and look at the picture- it will be a perfect dot.

Some optics don't get messed up by astigmatism.   I've noticed the Trijicon Accupoint works.   Just take a look through different ones at the gun store to figure out what works and what doesn't.
11/26/2016 9:49:04 AM EDT
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I sold my Aimpoint because of astigmatism.   It looked like a sparkly banana.  If you doubt an optic, take a picture of it and look at the picture- it will be a perfect dot.

Some optics don't get messed up by astigmatism.   I've notice the Trijicon Accupoint works.   Just take a look through different ones at the gun store to figure out what works and what doesn't.
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Different illumination methods and different eyes looking at them. EoTechs work for me, as do acogs.   I can't wait to check out the new Vortex holographic
11/26/2016 9:52:16 AM EDT
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I get that when looking through my reading glasses.  I can't wear them looking at an illuminated reticle.
11/26/2016 9:55:52 AM EDT
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Also try prisms like a Vortex Spitfire AR
11/26/2016 9:57:04 AM EDT
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Are you looking through the right end?


11/26/2016 9:58:08 AM EDT
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I sold my Aimpoint because of astigmatism.   It looked like a sparkly banana.  If you doubt your optic, take a picture of it and look at the picture- it will be a perfect dot.



Some optics don't get messed up by astigmatism.   I've noticed the Trijicon Accupoint works.   Just take a look through different ones at the gun store to figure out what works and what doesn't.
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Interesting. The Trijicon MRO is the only red dot I've looked through that was not affected by my astigmatism. Looks like a Trijicon optic is in my future.
11/26/2016 9:58:37 AM EDT
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I have one on my AR and the thing is very sharp.
11/26/2016 10:16:54 AM EDT
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Everyone's vision is different.

Aimpoints are pretty clean for me, but EoTechs looked like shit.

The only completely clean reticles for me are illuminated reticles in variable scopes like Vortex Razor and Trijicon Accupoint/Accupower.
11/26/2016 10:27:07 AM EDT
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Different illumination methods and different eyes looking at them. EoTechs work for me, as do acogs.   I can't wait to check out the new Vortex holographic
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I sold my Aimpoint because of astigmatism.   It looked like a sparkly banana.  If you doubt an optic, take a picture of it and look at the picture- it will be a perfect dot.

Some optics don't get messed up by astigmatism.   I've notice the Trijicon Accupoint works.   Just take a look through different ones at the gun store to figure out what works and what doesn't.



Different illumination methods and different eyes looking at them. EoTechs work for me, as do acogs.   I can't wait to check out the new Vortex holographic


This.
My dad has an astigmatism,  has a hard time with standard red dots, eotech works fine.. only reason I kept them.  Im hoping the vortex holo sight works great im tired of keeping the batteries out of the eotech, or forgetting to take them out and getting to the range with dead batteries.
11/26/2016 10:29:05 AM EDT
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Everyone's vision is different.

Aimpoints are pretty clean for me, but EoTechs looked like shit.

The only completely clean reticles for me are illuminated reticles in variable scopes like Vortex Razor and Trijicon Accupoint/Accupower.
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This.  Sold a PA microdot setup for my ak for this reason.  I bought an aimpoint for another rifle and was pleasantly surprised on how clean the dot was.
11/26/2016 10:32:10 AM EDT
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I have switched all my optics to prismatic due to astigmatism. Etched reticles do not blur for me, and they do not zero drift like all red dots do with temperature changes.
I have a 1-6 from PA, a vortex 1-4, and several spitfire 1x sights.
It has made shooting much easier than trying to guess which part of the red dot "comet" to use as an aiming point.
11/26/2016 10:46:07 AM EDT
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Sounds like you need a TA33.
11/26/2016 10:51:31 AM EDT
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This is why we need an optic forum here.

11/26/2016 10:52:50 AM EDT
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Green 1x16s Compact ACOG® This is what I'm going to try next with my eyes. I've had similar results with red dots.
11/26/2016 10:56:02 AM EDT
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Looking hard at a SPARC for a couple of my ARs. I like the AAA battery but dislike the lens caps. It's always something.
11/26/2016 10:57:50 AM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/18_Optics__Mounts__and_Sights.html
11/26/2016 11:07:58 AM EDT
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BTDT...Astig or cataracts...fix em yer GTG.
11/26/2016 11:08:39 AM EDT
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Looking hard at a SPARC for a couple of my ARs. I like the AAA battery but dislike the lens caps. It's always something.
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I have an original SPARC. Controls suck, FOV sucks. Glad I didn't pay for it. Sitting in a box in another box. Gave up on chicom/ rimpac red dots. Won't revisit them. Far too many other good brands, companies, etc no reason to waste time and money...
11/26/2016 11:18:09 AM EDT
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I use the lowest easily visible setting with red dots because of what the OP describes.  Less bright means a sharper dot image.  I notice stars can look the same way (fuzzy) if I don't use my glasses.  I guess that's astigmatism.

I'm in my 60's, too.
11/26/2016 11:30:57 AM EDT
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I thought it was just my optic, a vortex strikefire II, I just got. I definitely know I has the the astigmatisms,

Other than the dot looking pixelated, can it still work?
11/26/2016 11:38:21 AM EDT
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Find a buddy or someone that will let you look through a C-more:



They have the "cleanest", roundest, dot of any RDS I've ever seen.  If the dot in that looks funky, it's your eyes.
11/26/2016 12:03:18 PM EDT
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The dot looks good with glasses on.
11/26/2016 12:06:55 PM EDT
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Easy way to check if it's the optic or your eyes is take a pic of dot with your phone.
11/26/2016 12:09:19 PM EDT
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Timely post since I was looking at the  Sparc yesterday for my 9mm pistol I suddenly decided I must build.  I'm 55 and all my red dots are that way.  Even my Aimpoints look more like comets than dots  Eye exam is desperately needed since I haven't had one since age 12
11/26/2016 12:13:42 PM EDT
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You're just moving too fast, man.  
11/26/2016 12:16:16 PM EDT
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You're just moving too fast, man.  
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Even my Aimpoints look more like comets than dots


You're just moving too fast, man.  

LOL I wish!!!!!!
11/26/2016 12:16:30 PM EDT
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I just completed a 4-day practical rifle class and it is the first time I used my Vortex Sparc II for extensive shooting.  Everything went relatively well and the Sparc II held zero nicely.  However, I have a question regarding the red dot not being in a perfect circle through my 63-year old eyes; in fact it is a series of clusters of dots.  The instructor told me it was my eyes and to use the highest point of the cluster as my aiming point.  Is anyone else having similar experiences?  Is there anyway to get a perfect circular dot?
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FWIW, Trijicon's dual Illuminated models are better than battery powered models for this. Not perfect but a lot better.
11/26/2016 12:27:23 PM EDT
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Are we all talking about looking at the dot through a magnifier? All my Aimpoint Micro's (T1) dots look like a comma rather than a dot when looking through a 3X mag. The T2 and M3's dont seem to have this issue for me.
11/26/2016 12:32:44 PM EDT
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Did someone mention Stig-matism?



11/27/2016 11:35:30 AM EDT
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I have an original SPARC. Controls suck, FOV sucks. Glad I didn't pay for it. Sitting in a box in another box. Gave up on chicom/ rimpac red dots. Won't revisit them. Far too many other good brands, companies, etc no reason to waste time and money...
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Looking hard at a SPARC for a couple of my ARs. I like the AAA battery but dislike the lens caps. It's always something.



I have an original SPARC. Controls suck, FOV sucks. Glad I didn't pay for it. Sitting in a box in another box. Gave up on chicom/ rimpac red dots. Won't revisit them. Far too many other good brands, companies, etc no reason to waste time and money...

That's the first negative thing I've heard anyone say about any vortex product.

Sure there are better ones. Are there better ones for 2 bills?
11/27/2016 11:37:38 AM EDT
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11/27/2016 11:42:04 AM EDT
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That's the first negative thing I've heard anyone say about any vortex product.

Sure there are better ones. Are there better ones for 2 bills?
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Looking hard at a SPARC for a couple of my ARs. I like the AAA battery but dislike the lens caps. It's always something.



I have an original SPARC. Controls suck, FOV sucks. Glad I didn't pay for it. Sitting in a box in another box. Gave up on chicom/ rimpac red dots. Won't revisit them. Far too many other good brands, companies, etc no reason to waste time and money...

That's the first negative thing I've heard anyone say about any vortex product.

Sure there are better ones. Are there better ones for 2 bills?

Exactly
11/27/2016 11:55:58 AM EDT
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The dot looks good with glasses on.
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Yep, I shoot with my glasses on.
11/27/2016 12:11:03 PM EDT
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Yeppers
11/27/2016 4:00:01 PM EDT
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If you have a rear BUIS, flip it up and look at the red dot through the aperture. See if that takes some of the noticeable distortion out of it. I know it does for me.
11/27/2016 4:08:07 PM EDT
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If you have a rear BUIS, flip it up and look at the red dot through the aperture. See if that takes some of the noticeable distortion out of it. I know it does for me.
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I haven't tried that but it's a great idea.  Should work similar to looking though a hole made with your thumb and forefinger when you forget your reading glasses.
11/27/2016 8:52:06 PM EDT
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I've got a slight astigmatism in my right eye after having LASEK.  EOTech, Vortex Spitfire, and illuminated scopes work for me but Aimpoint and MRO style red dots don't.
12/12/2016 6:06:50 PM EDT
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I went to the range today and shooting with both an Aimpoint and PA Microdot, looking through the rear aperture sight resolved my issues.  Nice clean dot instead of this huge triangle looking circle or comets tail.  Thanks for that suggestion!
12/12/2016 8:48:58 PM EDT
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I get that when looking through my reading glasses.  I can't wear them looking at an illuminated reticle.
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^/ Take my glasses off and everything looks good.