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Posted: 11/24/2016 4:51:46 PM EDT
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Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. Quoted:
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. what? |
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I can actually get beind this waste. Surplus silencers with the way winds are changing through CMP? Quoted:
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. I can actually get beind this waste. Surplus silencers with the way winds are changing through CMP? Only in the US. Of course, you can't buy from those countries that have had unhindered development for a the last 80 years. |
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Quoted: Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. Quoted: Quoted: The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion.  |
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. Probably cheaper than outfitting an infantry BN with peltors or MSA sordins too. I wonder what the military pays for sound suppressors vs civilian market price. |
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Quoted: Probably cheaper than outfitting an infantry BN with peltors or MSA sordins too. I wonder what the military pays for sound suppressors vs civilian market price. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. Probably cheaper than outfitting an infantry BN with peltors or MSA sordins too. I wonder what the military pays for sound suppressors vs civilian market price. Probably double. |
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. It is a brilliant idea for multiple reasons. https://s16.postimg.org/77dq0wjkl/Screen_Shot_2016_11_24_at_3_02_23_PM.png Is not the Military supposed to be paid for, unlike the rest of the fsa? |
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. https://s12.postimg.org/axpunwwu5/champic40958.jpg What is your cheap solution to allow better communication within a fireteam or squad? I'd say suppressors are the cheap option. |
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Quoted: Is not the Military supposed to be paid for, unlike the rest of the fsa? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. It is a brilliant idea for multiple reasons. https://s16.postimg.org/77dq0wjkl/Screen_Shot_2016_11_24_at_3_02_23_PM.png Is not the Military supposed to be paid for, unlike the rest of the fsa? Yes it is, and I agree 100% that we have wasted an almost unfathomable amount of money on handouts to the lazy. But, we are in the boat now and the only way of getting out of it is to start telling everyone that they can't have something. Sorry, but if it were up to me then the Marines would have to make due some other way. Silencing every gun in the Marine Corps would cost a fortune, and if you do it for the Marines, then the Army is going to want it too. We need a new bomber, we have a fighter that costs three times what it was supposed to, our bridges and roads are crumbling, we need to get back into space and our electrical grid is exposed to attack from any enemy with a laptop. Someone needs to start being an adult with the budget. |
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. https://s12.postimg.org/axpunwwu5/champic40958.jpg Not too many people wear ear plugs on patrol. Being able to hear is pretty important. |
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I have hearing loss from firing my weapon. You're going to be paying my disability check to the tune of WAY more than the cost of a silencer. Quoted:
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. I have hearing loss from firing my weapon. You're going to be paying my disability check to the tune of WAY more than the cost of a silencer. Yep, he is going to be paying you a silencer a month for life. Not to mention, hearing better over all will increase the effectiveness of the fire teams. |
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Quoted: I have hearing loss from firing my weapon. You're going to be paying my disability check to the tune of WAY more than the cost of a silencer. Quoted: Quoted: The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. I have hearing loss from firing my weapon. You're going to be paying my disability check to the tune of WAY more than the cost of a silencer. |
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It's a good idea, and they should have done it a long time ago.
Studies have shown that wearing earpro - even high quality electronic earpro - prohibits warfighters from accurately determining the direction of incoming fire compared to bare ears. In addition to the communication benefits, muzzle flash elimination compared to A2 flash hiders, and making it more difficult for people to hear where you're shooting from. |
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OK, so let's look at if from this angle... If suppressors are a necessary item, then what is the Marine Corps wasting money on that we can cut in order to fund suppressors for everyone? You can't tell me that they aren't wasting money somewhere else. As much respect as I have for the Marines, they are still an entity of the US Government, which means that there is wasteful spending going on somewhere. We have to start thinking of things this way. We have $20 Trillion in debt. |
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Yes it is, and I agree 100% that we have wasted an almost unfathomable amount of money on handouts to the lazy. But, we are in the boat now and the only way of getting out of it is to start telling everyone that they can't have something. Sorry, but if it were up to me then the Marines would have to make due some other way. Silencing every gun in the Marine Corps would cost a fortune, and if you do it for the Marines, then the Army is going to want it too. We need a new bomber, we have a fighter that costs three times what it was supposed to, our bridges and roads are crumbling, we need to get back into space and our electrical grid is exposed to attack from any enemy with a laptop. Someone needs to start being an adult with the budget. Quoted:
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. It is a brilliant idea for multiple reasons. https://s16.postimg.org/77dq0wjkl/Screen_Shot_2016_11_24_at_3_02_23_PM.png Is not the Military supposed to be paid for, unlike the rest of the fsa? Yes it is, and I agree 100% that we have wasted an almost unfathomable amount of money on handouts to the lazy. But, we are in the boat now and the only way of getting out of it is to start telling everyone that they can't have something. Sorry, but if it were up to me then the Marines would have to make due some other way. Silencing every gun in the Marine Corps would cost a fortune, and if you do it for the Marines, then the Army is going to want it too. We need a new bomber, we have a fighter that costs three times what it was supposed to, our bridges and roads are crumbling, we need to get back into space and our electrical grid is exposed to attack from any enemy with a laptop. Someone needs to start being an adult with the budget. A quality mass produced silencer shouldn't cost more than around $200. They are only expensive for civilians because they are produced in small quantities, and because of government regulation. But it's really a simple device and easy to machine. So you could give a suppressor to every single Marine for less than 40 million. But since you would only be issuing them to Marines in a combat MOS, the actual cost would only be a few million. That is peanuts compared to what is wasted on many less useful expenditures. Even if you paid current civilian retail prices, it wouldn't cost very much. |
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I have hearing loss from firing my weapon. You're going to be paying my disability check to the tune of WAY more than the cost of a silencer. Quoted:
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. I have hearing loss from firing my weapon. You're going to be paying my disability check to the tune of WAY more than the cost of a silencer. Same here. The VA is paying me an extra 10% disability monthly due to my service related hearing loss. I was light infantry and then a medic. I didn't work around loud machinery where wearing hearing protection was an option. Being able to hear while on patrol is kind of important when hearing the enemy first is the difference between alive and dead. So, in actuality which is cheaper? The Army can purchase about 4 suppressors each year on what they would save in just my disability payments alone. How many Combat Arms Veterans are getting disability due to hearing loss? |
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Quoted: A quality mass produced silencer shouldn't cost more than around $200. They are only expensive for civilians because they are produced in small quantities, and because of government regulation. But it's really a simple device and easy to machine. So you could give a suppressor to every single Marine for less than 40 million. But since you would only be issuing them to Marines in a combat MOS, the actual cost would only be a few million. That is peanuts compared to what is wasted on many less useful expenditures. Even if you paid current civilian retail prices, it wouldn't cost very much. Government procurement, supply chain, inventory and maintenance costs usually inflate the cost of whatever they buy to much higher than high end retail. Remember the days of the $20,000 hammer? |
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Quoted: Yes it is, and I agree 100% that we have wasted an almost unfathomable amount of money on handouts to the lazy. But, we are in the boat now and the only way of getting out of it is to start telling everyone that they can't have something. Sorry, but if it were up to me then the Marines would have to make due some other way. Silencing every gun in the Marine Corps would cost a fortune, and if you do it for the Marines, then the Army is going to want it too. We need a new bomber, we have a fighter that costs three times what it was supposed to, our bridges and roads are crumbling, we need to get back into space and our electrical grid is exposed to attack from any enemy with a laptop. Someone needs to start being an adult with the budget. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. It is a brilliant idea for multiple reasons. https://s16.postimg.org/77dq0wjkl/Screen_Shot_2016_11_24_at_3_02_23_PM.png Is not the Military supposed to be paid for, unlike the rest of the fsa? Yes it is, and I agree 100% that we have wasted an almost unfathomable amount of money on handouts to the lazy. But, we are in the boat now and the only way of getting out of it is to start telling everyone that they can't have something. Sorry, but if it were up to me then the Marines would have to make due some other way. Silencing every gun in the Marine Corps would cost a fortune, and if you do it for the Marines, then the Army is going to want it too. We need a new bomber, we have a fighter that costs three times what it was supposed to, our bridges and roads are crumbling, we need to get back into space and our electrical grid is exposed to attack from any enemy with a laptop. Someone needs to start being an adult with the budget. You do realize that the medical costs associated with hearing loss cost several times more than what a KAC QDC would cost right? And I haven't met a single grunt who'd want to use the foamies willingly, and more often than not, they go without earpro. And I don't know about you, but having earplugs in really hampers my ability to read the direction from which a sound orignates, and I find myself having to speak in elevated volume. Even with my MSA Sordin Pro-X's I can hear a faint sound fairly easily, but I can't tell which direction it came from really well.
Suppressors make sense, instead, how about we get rid of Social Security and welfare? |
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Government procurement, supply chain, inventory and maintenance costs usually inflate the cost of whatever they buy to much higher than high end retail. Remember the days of the $20,000 hammer? Quoted:
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A quality mass produced silencer shouldn't cost more than around $200. They are only expensive for civilians because they are produced in small quantities, and because of government regulation. But it's really a simple device and easy to machine. So you could give a suppressor to every single Marine for less than 40 million. But since you would only be issuing them to Marines in a combat MOS, the actual cost would only be a few million. That is peanuts compared to what is wasted on many less useful expenditures. Even if you paid current civilian retail prices, it wouldn't cost very much. Government procurement, supply chain, inventory and maintenance costs usually inflate the cost of whatever they buy to much higher than high end retail. Remember the days of the $20,000 hammer? You mean like how we pay $5,000 each for an M-16 magazine? 
A silencer is a simple device amenable to mass production. They call it a can for a reason. I dare say you could make a decent one ridiculously cheap if you want. |
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The military really knows how to waste the taxpayer's money. Cheaper than paying a lifetime of disability from hearing loss for an infantry battalion. what? HE SAID IT WAS DEEPER THAN SHAVING A LIFELINE OF HILLBILLIES FOR BEER LOSS IN A FUN COTILLION! |
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OK, so let's look at if from this angle... If suppressors are a necessary item, then what is the Marine Corps wasting money on that we can cut in order to fund suppressors for everyone? You can't tell me that they aren't wasting money somewhere else. As much respect as I have for the Marines, they are still an entity of the US Government, which means that there is wasteful spending going on somewhere. We have to start thinking of things this way. We have $20 Trillion in debt. The VA pays out $1.1 BILLION annually for hearing damage. Putting a brand new suppressor on every single firearm in the Armed Forces would cost less than what the medical costs for failing to do so every single year. It would literally save billions to do this, not to mention several lives because soldies with cans can better locate incoming fire and communicate essential info while under fire. It's the best idea they've had since switching from irons to ACOGs. |
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OK, so let's look at if from this angle... If suppressors are a necessary item, then what is the Marine Corps wasting money on that we can cut in order to fund suppressors for everyone? You can't tell me that they aren't wasting money somewhere else. As much respect as I have for the Marines, they are still an entity of the US Government, which means that there is wasteful spending going on somewhere. We have to start thinking of things this way. We have $20 Trillion in debt. I'd probably start asking why the USMC needs its own separate air force with fighter jets and aircraft carriers (LHAs/LHDs) to operate them from... 
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Is suppressive fire suppressive if the enemy can't hear it? The sound of gunfire is not all that important. What really has suppressive effect are the bullets impacting in close proximity, and the supersonic crack! of the bullets passing nearby, neither of which will be hindered by a sound suppressor. |
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Quoted: You mean like how we pay $5,000 each for an M-16 magazine? A silencer is a simple device amenable to mass production. They call it a can for a reason. I dare say you could make a decent one ridiculously cheap if you want. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A quality mass produced silencer shouldn't cost more than around $200. They are only expensive for civilians because they are produced in small quantities, and because of government regulation. But it's really a simple device and easy to machine. So you could give a suppressor to every single Marine for less than 40 million. But since you would only be issuing them to Marines in a combat MOS, the actual cost would only be a few million. That is peanuts compared to what is wasted on many less useful expenditures. Even if you paid current civilian retail prices, it wouldn't cost very much. Government procurement, supply chain, inventory and maintenance costs usually inflate the cost of whatever they buy to much higher than high end retail. Remember the days of the $20,000 hammer? You mean like how we pay $5,000 each for an M-16 magazine? A silencer is a simple device amenable to mass production. They call it a can for a reason. I dare say you could make a decent one ridiculously cheap if you want. Are you making fun of me, or is that true? |