[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Microsoft Surface Event (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/26/2016 12:17:09 PM EDT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMLA8YIgG0 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1OsmndtIrY
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13380462/microsoft-surface-studio-pc-computer-announced-features-price-release-date http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13418678/microsoft-upgraded-surface-book-16-hour-battery-life http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/26/13416804/microsoft-event-news-surface-pc-windows-10-october-2016 My coworker just said Apple should go buy a rape kit; since Microsoft is literally bending them over and giving it to it... 
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Well that eliminates you from playing for the Patriots. ETA: 3 fucking grand????? No. Quoted:
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday Well that eliminates you from playing for the Patriots. ETA: 3 fucking grand????? No. $4,199 for the i7 with 32GB RAM. |
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday Sucks. I want them to be good. A lot of the software I work with is Windows only and a device like the Surface that can run those programs would be really, really handy for me. Not buying one for what they cost, especially if they are junk. That said, my brother has one and he really likes it. |
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Sucks. I want them to be good. A lot of the software I work with is Windows only and a device like the Surface that can run those programs would be really, really handy for me. Not buying one for what they cost, especially if they are junk. That said, my brother has one and he really likes it. Quoted:
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday Sucks. I want them to be good. A lot of the software I work with is Windows only and a device like the Surface that can run those programs would be really, really handy for me. Not buying one for what they cost, especially if they are junk. That said, my brother has one and he really likes it.  Surfaces are not junk, they are fucking awesome. Yes, they can be expensive, but they work extremely well.
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http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13380462/microsoft-surface-studio-pc-computer-announced-features-price-release-date http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13418678/microsoft-upgraded-surface-book-16-hour-battery-life http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/26/13416804/microsoft-event-news-surface-pc-windows-10-october-2016 My coworker just said Apple should go buy a rape kit; since Microsoft is literally bending them over and giving it to it... Microsoft Market Cap: 473.36B for Oct. 26, 2016 Apple Market Cap: 621.50B for Oct. 26, 2016 Tell your co-worker he is stupid. |
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I was impressed. The Surface Studio doesn't mesh with my needs, but I can see those that do graphics work daily being able to justify the $3k cost. That's the same price as the basic three-year-old Mac Pro without a monitor. Being able to draw directly on the screen seems like it would be better than using an external tablet like Wacom.
Barely a mention of the updated Surface Book. Much more powerful than before. I wasn't expecting anything like that until closer to the Redstone 2 release of W10 in April. Microsoft is making a serious attempt to get the creative market for themselves after years of Apple domination. From my personal experience they need to be focusing on system stability since I regularly experience lockups and slowdowns. My Surface Pro 4 has been flawless, but my Dell Desktop has been a nightmare. There was also the battery drain issue that plagued SP3s for a pretty good time. That's Apple's big advantage in controlling the hardware too; they don't have to worry about hundreds of different combinations of components and drivers that conflict with each other. |
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The handful of folks I know that use i3 and i5 Surfaces Pro's daily for work have nothing but good things to say about them. I want one for work but I can't due to our corporate policies. Until Microsoft jumps into the Fortune 10 and convinces them that it is a good idea to spend 4-5x more money on these devices, companies will continue to buy cheap laptop and desktop computers in bulk. The real money is in corporate America. Who cares about a consumer who will buy one unit; or a small business that will buy 4-5... You want to sell your device to McKesson and have that company buy 200,000 units. It doesn't matter how good your idea is if you can't sell it. Market it. Then sell it. |
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Quoted: I want one for work but I can't due to our corporate policies. Until Microsoft jumps into the Fortune 10 and convinces them that it is a good idea to spend 4-5x more money on these devices, companies will continue to buy cheap laptop and desktop computers in bulk. The real money is in corporate America. Who cares about a consumer who will buy one unit; or a small business that will buy 4-5... You want to sell your device to McKesson and have that company buy 200,000 units. It doesn't matter how good your idea is if you can't sell it. Market it. Then sell it. Quoted: Quoted: The handful of folks I know that use i3 and i5 Surfaces Pro's daily for work have nothing but good things to say about them. I want one for work but I can't due to our corporate policies. Until Microsoft jumps into the Fortune 10 and convinces them that it is a good idea to spend 4-5x more money on these devices, companies will continue to buy cheap laptop and desktop computers in bulk. The real money is in corporate America. Who cares about a consumer who will buy one unit; or a small business that will buy 4-5... You want to sell your device to McKesson and have that company buy 200,000 units. It doesn't matter how good your idea is if you can't sell it. Market it. Then sell it. Maybe people aren't differentiating between a Surface and a Surface Pro in this thread? |
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday Pro 3 i5 here that is coming up on 2 years old and still working great. They had some driver issues, at the start, but they fixed them rather quickly. I've even pushed the dang thing and done some gaming on it, with settings turned down, while away on vacation. Little thing still kept going. |
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Microsoft Market Cap: 473.36B for Oct. 26, 2016 Apple Market Cap: 621.50B for Oct. 26, 2016 Tell your co-worker he is stupid. Quoted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMeA14gaLvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMeA14gaLvs
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13380462/microsoft-surface-studio-pc-computer-announced-features-price-release-date http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13418678/microsoft-upgraded-surface-book-16-hour-battery-life http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/26/13416804/microsoft-event-news-surface-pc-windows-10-october-2016 My coworker just said Apple should go buy a rape kit; since Microsoft is literally bending them over and giving it to it... Microsoft Market Cap: 473.36B for Oct. 26, 2016 Apple Market Cap: 621.50B for Oct. 26, 2016 Tell your co-worker he is stupid. Apple Market Cap: 56.63B for Sep. 30, 2006 Microsoft Market Cap: 245.17B for Sep. 30, 2006 A decade can make a major difference in company's fortunes. If Microsoft continues to innovate and polish while Apple regurgitates the same devices with minimal incremental improvements you could easily see a reversal of fortunes. Apple is dependent on the iPhone and iPad for 70% of its gross revenue and any significant shift in market share or per-unit profit will play havoc with Apple's stock price. Microsoft is much more diversified. |
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday I work on a Surface every day, and I manage a deployment of 26 of them around my organization in various roles, and I have nothing but good things to say about them from a personal usability or device support standpoint, no hardware issues requiring replacement unlike our old dell laptops that 50% had to be serviced every year. Are you just a 90 year old stubborn tech illiterate or something? |
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I work on a Surface every day, and I manage a deployment of 26 of them around my organization in various roles, and I have nothing but good things to say about them from a personal usability or device support standpoint, no hardware issues requiring replacement unlike our old dell laptops that 50% had to be serviced every year. Are you just a 90 year old stubborn tech illiterate or something? Quoted:
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday I work on a Surface every day, and I manage a deployment of 26 of them around my organization in various roles, and I have nothing but good things to say about them from a personal usability or device support standpoint, no hardware issues requiring replacement unlike our old dell laptops that 50% had to be serviced every year. Are you just a 90 year old stubborn tech illiterate or something? 35 been in IT 14 years. can't be upgraded hardwarewise. buggy. easily broken/ non repairable. keyboard held on by magnets? really? lots of other issues with them that i just don't care for i work in healthcare IT. 8k plus devices in my network i prefer laptops |
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35 been in IT 14 years. can't be upgraded hardwarewise. buggy. easily broken/ non repairable. keyboard held on by magnets? really? lots of other issues with them that i just don't care for i work in healthcare IT. 8k plus devices in my network i prefer laptops Quoted:
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday I work on a Surface every day, and I manage a deployment of 26 of them around my organization in various roles, and I have nothing but good things to say about them from a personal usability or device support standpoint, no hardware issues requiring replacement unlike our old dell laptops that 50% had to be serviced every year. Are you just a 90 year old stubborn tech illiterate or something? 35 been in IT 14 years. can't be upgraded hardwarewise. buggy. easily broken/ non repairable. keyboard held on by magnets? really? lots of other issues with them that i just don't care for i work in healthcare IT. 8k plus devices in my network i prefer laptops |
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Quoted: 35 been in IT 14 years. can't be upgraded hardwarewise. buggy. easily broken/ non repairable. keyboard held on by magnets? really? lots of other issues with them that i just don't care for i work in healthcare IT. 8k plus devices in my network i prefer laptops Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday I work on a Surface every day, and I manage a deployment of 26 of them around my organization in various roles, and I have nothing but good things to say about them from a personal usability or device support standpoint, no hardware issues requiring replacement unlike our old dell laptops that 50% had to be serviced every year. Are you just a 90 year old stubborn tech illiterate or something? 35 been in IT 14 years. can't be upgraded hardwarewise. buggy. easily broken/ non repairable. keyboard held on by magnets? really? lots of other issues with them that i just don't care for i work in healthcare IT. 8k plus devices in my network i prefer laptops What bugs are you experiencing and what is breaking easily on them? Pretty much everything else you described are how a PC tablet based system is designed. If you dislike them that much why are you allowing them on "your" network? |
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Apple Market Cap: 56.63B for Sep. 30, 2006 Microsoft Market Cap: 245.17B for Sep. 30, 2006 A decade can make a major difference in company's fortunes. If Microsoft continues to innovate and polish while Apple regurgitates the same devices with minimal incremental improvements you could easily see a reversal of fortunes. Apple is dependent on the iPhone and iPad for 70% of its gross revenue and any significant shift in market share or per-unit profit will play havoc with Apple's stock price. Microsoft is much more diversified. Quoted:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMeA14gaLvs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMeA14gaLvs
http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13380462/microsoft-surface-studio-pc-computer-announced-features-price-release-date http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/10/26/13418678/microsoft-upgraded-surface-book-16-hour-battery-life http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/26/13416804/microsoft-event-news-surface-pc-windows-10-october-2016 My coworker just said Apple should go buy a rape kit; since Microsoft is literally bending them over and giving it to it... Microsoft Market Cap: 473.36B for Oct. 26, 2016 Apple Market Cap: 621.50B for Oct. 26, 2016 Tell your co-worker he is stupid. Apple Market Cap: 56.63B for Sep. 30, 2006 Microsoft Market Cap: 245.17B for Sep. 30, 2006 A decade can make a major difference in company's fortunes. If Microsoft continues to innovate and polish while Apple regurgitates the same devices with minimal incremental improvements you could easily see a reversal of fortunes. Apple is dependent on the iPhone and iPad for 70% of its gross revenue and any significant shift in market share or per-unit profit will play havoc with Apple's stock price. Microsoft is much more diversified. Agreed! A decade is a lifetime, but Microsoft's diversification is one of their downfalls. They don't capitalize on their successes with the same level of vigor as Apple. Microsoft has 200 product offerings for every one of Apple's. And when Microsoft hits a home run (like the surface), they aren't shutting down their shit shows to put the money into their success. This is hindering their potential for growth. Example, the Surface is an unmitigated success; the windows phone is the biggest flop of the last 2-3y. Their only hardware supplier (Nokia) ditched them last year. So why is Microsoft still investing in the windows phone OS? If I was an investor, I'd be livid. The market tells you one product sucks and one rocks, but you (as a company) refuse to listen to the people you are trying to serve (your customers). The reason Apple made the comeback of the century isn't because of their product offerings, it was because their leadership was keenly aware of this basic market principle and were not afraid to make quick, decisive, drastic decisions. All the current leadership at Microsoft grew up in the Microsoft culture. And until that changes...they will continue to stagnate. |
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So basically there's no problem with them, they work as designed, you don't like the design? Quoted:
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday I work on a Surface every day, and I manage a deployment of 26 of them around my organization in various roles, and I have nothing but good things to say about them from a personal usability or device support standpoint, no hardware issues requiring replacement unlike our old dell laptops that 50% had to be serviced every year. Are you just a 90 year old stubborn tech illiterate or something? 35 been in IT 14 years. can't be upgraded hardwarewise. buggy. easily broken/ non repairable. keyboard held on by magnets? really? lots of other issues with them that i just don't care for i work in healthcare IT. 8k plus devices in my network i prefer laptops He isn't the only one. I love the things, but my IT (healthcare IT, a couple hundred thousand laptops on the network) won't touch them. Until Microsoft gets their heads removed from their asses, and realizes they have to market to people like Cruz5 and explain to him the benefits over laptops for user's like me, they'll never make progress. |
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Quoted: Agreed! A decade is a lifetime, but Microsoft's diversification is one of their downfalls. They don't capitalize on their successes with the same level of vigor as Apple. Microsoft has 200 product offerings for every one of Apple's. And when Microsoft hits a home run (like the surface), they aren't shutting down their shit shows to put the money into their success. This is hindering their potential for growth. Example, the Surface is an unmitigated success; the windows phone is the biggest flop of the last 2-3y. Their only hardware supplier (Nokia) ditched them last year. So why is Microsoft still investing in the windows phone OS? If I was an investor, I'd be livid. The market tells you one product sucks and one rocks, but you (as a company) refuse to listen to the people you are trying to serve (your customers). The reason Apple made the comeback of the century isn't because of their product offerings, it was because their leadership was keenly aware of this basic market principle and were not afraid to make quick, decisive, drastic decisions. All the current leadership at Microsoft grew up in the Microsoft culture. And until that changes...they will continue to stagnate. Microsoft isn't stagnant. They have a lot of good corporate products, but you won't see those at Best Buy. |
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Microsoft isn't stagnant. They have a lot of good corporate products, but you won't see those at Best Buy. Quoted:
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Agreed! A decade is a lifetime, but Microsoft's diversification is one of their downfalls. They don't capitalize on their successes with the same level of vigor as Apple. Microsoft has 200 product offerings for every one of Apple's. And when Microsoft hits a home run (like the surface), they aren't shutting down their shit shows to put the money into their success. This is hindering their potential for growth. Example, the Surface is an unmitigated success; the windows phone is the biggest flop of the last 2-3y. Their only hardware supplier (Nokia) ditched them last year. So why is Microsoft still investing in the windows phone OS? If I was an investor, I'd be livid. The market tells you one product sucks and one rocks, but you (as a company) refuse to listen to the people you are trying to serve (your customers). The reason Apple made the comeback of the century isn't because of their product offerings, it was because their leadership was keenly aware of this basic market principle and were not afraid to make quick, decisive, drastic decisions. All the current leadership at Microsoft grew up in the Microsoft culture. And until that changes...they will continue to stagnate. Microsoft isn't stagnant. They have a lot of good corporate products, but you won't see those at Best Buy. Everything in my statement is about corporate sales...you'd think you would realize I am aware of their corporate offerings......but maybe that's too much to infer so I'll point it out bluntly, I wasn't talking about best buy. |
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Surfaces are not junk, they are fucking awesome. Yes, they can be expensive, but they work extremely well.Quoted:
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday Sucks. I want them to be good. A lot of the software I work with is Windows only and a device like the Surface that can run those programs would be really, really handy for me. Not buying one for what they cost, especially if they are junk. That said, my brother has one and he really likes it. Surfaces are not junk, they are fucking awesome. Yes, they can be expensive, but they work extremely well.I moved from a Mac to a Surface Pro 3 for work and love it. Still use the Mac at home because I'm an iPhone/ipad guy. For Enterprise work where so much is Microsoft based, struggling with the Mac is just insane. I see Mac coworkers spending a lot of time to hack their systems to work with MS products, and it still doesn't work exactly right, so I finally said screw it I'm using a Surface, and life is good. |
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I moved from a Mac to a Surface Pro 3 for work and love it. Still use the Mac at home because I'm an iPhone/ipad guy. For Enterprise work where so much is Microsoft based, struggling with the Mac is just insane. I see Mac coworkers spending a lot of time to hack their systems to work with MS products, and it still doesn't work exactly right, so I finally said screw it I'm using a Surface, and life is good. Quoted:
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday Sucks. I want them to be good. A lot of the software I work with is Windows only and a device like the Surface that can run those programs would be really, really handy for me. Not buying one for what they cost, especially if they are junk. That said, my brother has one and he really likes it. Surfaces are not junk, they are fucking awesome. Yes, they can be expensive, but they work extremely well.I moved from a Mac to a Surface Pro 3 for work and love it. Still use the Mac at home because I'm an iPhone/ipad guy. For Enterprise work where so much is Microsoft based, struggling with the Mac is just insane. I see Mac coworkers spending a lot of time to hack their systems to work with MS products, and it still doesn't work exactly right, so I finally said screw it I'm using a Surface, and life is good. Damnet I want a Surface Pro for work 
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Quoted: Everything in my statement is about corporate sales...you'd think you would realize I am aware of their corporate offerings......but maybe that's too much to infer so I'll point it out bluntly, I wasn't talking about best buy. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Agreed! A decade is a lifetime, but Microsoft's diversification is one of their downfalls. They don't capitalize on their successes with the same level of vigor as Apple. Microsoft has 200 product offerings for every one of Apple's. And when Microsoft hits a home run (like the surface), they aren't shutting down their shit shows to put the money into their success. This is hindering their potential for growth. Example, the Surface is an unmitigated success; the windows phone is the biggest flop of the last 2-3y. Their only hardware supplier (Nokia) ditched them last year. So why is Microsoft still investing in the windows phone OS? If I was an investor, I'd be livid. The market tells you one product sucks and one rocks, but you (as a company) refuse to listen to the people you are trying to serve (your customers). The reason Apple made the comeback of the century isn't because of their product offerings, it was because their leadership was keenly aware of this basic market principle and were not afraid to make quick, decisive, drastic decisions. All the current leadership at Microsoft grew up in the Microsoft culture. And until that changes...they will continue to stagnate. Microsoft isn't stagnant. They have a lot of good corporate products, but you won't see those at Best Buy. Everything in my statement is about corporate sales...you'd think you would realize I am aware of their corporate offerings......but maybe that's too much to infer so I'll point it out bluntly, I wasn't talking about best buy. Electronics are getting smaller. Eventually, you'll have a small device like a phone, period. No laptop, no tablet, no desktop. That's why Microsoft has a presence in the phone market. They will be in that market with a small product. For now, Microsoft will let Apple and Samsung slug it out for low-margin phone marketshare. |
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Electronics are getting smaller. Eventually, you'll have a small device like a phone, period. No laptop, no tablet, no desktop. That's why Microsoft has a presence in the phone market. They will be in that market with a small product. For now, Microsoft will let Apple and Samsung slug it out for low-margin phone marketshare. Quoted:
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Agreed! A decade is a lifetime, but Microsoft's diversification is one of their downfalls. They don't capitalize on their successes with the same level of vigor as Apple. Microsoft has 200 product offerings for every one of Apple's. And when Microsoft hits a home run (like the surface), they aren't shutting down their shit shows to put the money into their success. This is hindering their potential for growth. Example, the Surface is an unmitigated success; the windows phone is the biggest flop of the last 2-3y. Their only hardware supplier (Nokia) ditched them last year. So why is Microsoft still investing in the windows phone OS? If I was an investor, I'd be livid. The market tells you one product sucks and one rocks, but you (as a company) refuse to listen to the people you are trying to serve (your customers). The reason Apple made the comeback of the century isn't because of their product offerings, it was because their leadership was keenly aware of this basic market principle and were not afraid to make quick, decisive, drastic decisions. All the current leadership at Microsoft grew up in the Microsoft culture. And until that changes...they will continue to stagnate. Microsoft isn't stagnant. They have a lot of good corporate products, but you won't see those at Best Buy. Everything in my statement is about corporate sales...you'd think you would realize I am aware of their corporate offerings......but maybe that's too much to infer so I'll point it out bluntly, I wasn't talking about best buy. Electronics are getting smaller. Eventually, you'll have a small device like a phone, period. No laptop, no tablet, no desktop. That's why Microsoft has a presence in the phone market. They will be in that market with a small product. For now, Microsoft will let Apple and Samsung slug it out for low-margin phone marketshare. I didn't know a 69% profit margin was low! Jesus christ, what is a good profit margin then? In my business we are working on a 6-8% margin and making tons of money, if we had Apple's 69% margin on their iPhone we'd all be living like rappers! ETA Reference - http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/apples-iphone-6-profit-margin-at-least-69-per-cent-report-20140924-10ld37.html ETA - And even if that article is off by 50%, hell even if they are off by 75%, the iPhone's profit margin is higher than ANY product I have ever been related to in my professional career. |
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I do too, it fucking plain rocks. 
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Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday I do too, it fucking plain rocks.
No plans to replace it, but when i do, you can bet it will be a new Surface. Same here. |
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Quoted: I didn't know a 69% profit margin was low! Jesus christ, what is a good profit margin then? In my business we are working on a 6-8% margin and making tons of money, if we had Apple's 69% margin on their iPhone we'd all be living like rappers! ETA Reference - http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/apples-iphone-6-profit-margin-at-least-69-per-cent-report-20140924-10ld37.html ETA - And even if that article is off by 50%, hell even if they are off by 75%, the iPhone's profit margin is higher than ANY product I have ever been related to in my professional career. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Agreed! A decade is a lifetime, but Microsoft's diversification is one of their downfalls. They don't capitalize on their successes with the same level of vigor as Apple. Microsoft has 200 product offerings for every one of Apple's. And when Microsoft hits a home run (like the surface), they aren't shutting down their shit shows to put the money into their success. This is hindering their potential for growth. Example, the Surface is an unmitigated success; the windows phone is the biggest flop of the last 2-3y. Their only hardware supplier (Nokia) ditched them last year. So why is Microsoft still investing in the windows phone OS? If I was an investor, I'd be livid. The market tells you one product sucks and one rocks, but you (as a company) refuse to listen to the people you are trying to serve (your customers). The reason Apple made the comeback of the century isn't because of their product offerings, it was because their leadership was keenly aware of this basic market principle and were not afraid to make quick, decisive, drastic decisions. All the current leadership at Microsoft grew up in the Microsoft culture. And until that changes...they will continue to stagnate. Microsoft isn't stagnant. They have a lot of good corporate products, but you won't see those at Best Buy. Everything in my statement is about corporate sales...you'd think you would realize I am aware of their corporate offerings......but maybe that's too much to infer so I'll point it out bluntly, I wasn't talking about best buy. Electronics are getting smaller. Eventually, you'll have a small device like a phone, period. No laptop, no tablet, no desktop. That's why Microsoft has a presence in the phone market. They will be in that market with a small product. For now, Microsoft will let Apple and Samsung slug it out for low-margin phone marketshare. I didn't know a 69% profit margin was low! Jesus christ, what is a good profit margin then? In my business we are working on a 6-8% margin and making tons of money, if we had Apple's 69% margin on their iPhone we'd all be living like rappers! ETA Reference - http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/apples-iphone-6-profit-margin-at-least-69-per-cent-report-20140924-10ld37.html ETA - And even if that article is off by 50%, hell even if they are off by 75%, the iPhone's profit margin is higher than ANY product I have ever been related to in my professional career. Your link is from 2014. Margins are falling on cell phones, especially iPhones. When you look at "margins", be certain to include costs for development, advertising, marketing, distribution, overhead... |
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Quoted: Surfaces are not junk, they are fucking awesome. Yes, they can be expensive, but they work extremely well.Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday Sucks. I want them to be good. A lot of the software I work with is Windows only and a device like the Surface that can run those programs would be really, really handy for me. Not buying one for what they cost, especially if they are junk. That said, my brother has one and he really likes it. Surfaces are not junk, they are fucking awesome. Yes, they can be expensive, but they work extremely well.Yeah, we have several clients who use them and they pretty much all love the things. If they didn't cost so damn much, I'd have one, too. |
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Quoted: I've been thinking about a Pro 4 for a few weeks now. I really don't need one, because my laptop is only 1.5 years old and works fine and I use my desktop at the office. I travel a bit, but only every couple of months. But damn they look cool. I'm with you. If these Surface Pro 4s drop down to $600 or so for Black Friday, I'm in. |
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As an Apple fan, I have to say these things are pretty nice in terms of hardware. The problem is Windows 10.
That being said, they are pretty expensive. We'll see what Apple unveils tomorrow, but clearly Microsoft is upping their game. This what you get when that jackssd Steve Ballmer is finally gone. /golfclap for you Microsoft. |
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Your link is from 2014. Margins are falling on cell phones, especially iPhones. When you look at "margins", be certain to include costs for development, advertising, marketing, distribution, overhead... Their margins only fell to 60% in 2015 and are projected to grow in 2017....Seriously, these numbers are so fucking huge even if they are off by 75% they are still bigger than almost every other product you see in a normal day. So even if they "fell", who gives a shit, they are still making more money per unit than anyone else out there (except pharmaceuticals). http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/19/piper-jaffray-apples-services-business-saw-massive-60-profit-margins-in-2015-to-grow-in-2017 That's "low" profit margin? The rest of their offerings are hovering around the industry standard 7% margin, and their entire company is opperating on a 19-20% margin because of the iPhone. I think you might want to rethink your original comment that Apple and Samsung are slugging it out over low-margin phones. https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/profit_margin |
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Quoted: Their margins only fell to 60% in 2015 and are projected to grow in 2017....Seriously, these numbers are so fucking huge even if they are off by 75% they are still bigger than almost every other product you see in a normal day. So even if they "fell", who gives a shit, they are still making more money per unit than anyone else out there (except pharmaceuticals). http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/19/piper-jaffray-apples-services-business-saw-massive-60-profit-margins-in-2015-to-grow-in-2017 That's "low" profit margin? The rest of their offerings are hovering around the industry standard 7% margin, and their entire company is opperating on a 19-20% margin because of the iPhone. I think you might want to rethink your original comment that Apple and Samsung are slugging it out over low-margin phones. https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/profit_margin Quoted: Quoted: Your link is from 2014. Margins are falling on cell phones, especially iPhones. When you look at "margins", be certain to include costs for development, advertising, marketing, distribution, overhead... Their margins only fell to 60% in 2015 and are projected to grow in 2017....Seriously, these numbers are so fucking huge even if they are off by 75% they are still bigger than almost every other product you see in a normal day. So even if they "fell", who gives a shit, they are still making more money per unit than anyone else out there (except pharmaceuticals). http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/04/19/piper-jaffray-apples-services-business-saw-massive-60-profit-margins-in-2015-to-grow-in-2017 That's "low" profit margin? The rest of their offerings are hovering around the industry standard 7% margin, and their entire company is opperating on a 19-20% margin because of the iPhone. I think you might want to rethink your original comment that Apple and Samsung are slugging it out over low-margin phones. https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/profit_margin I didn't say that Apple and Samsung are slugging it out over low-margin phones. Margins are falling on cell phones. Apple's margins fell ~27% in the past year. iPhone sales are slumping. http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-earnings-fall-on-iphone-slump-1469565018 Staying out of a product with shrinking margins seems like a smart move by Microsoft. |
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Quoted:For now, Microsoft will let Apple and Samsung slug it out for low-margin phone marketshare. Quoted:For now, Microsoft will let Apple and Samsung slug it out for low-margin phone marketshare. Quoted:
I didn't say that Apple and Samsung are slugging it out over low-margin phones. Margins are falling on cell phones. Apple's margins fell ~27% in the past year. iPhone sales are slumping. http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-earnings-fall-on-iphone-slump-1469565018 Staying out of a product with shrinking margins seems like a smart move by Microsoft. I'm sorry for my confusion...
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Quoted: I'm sorry for my confusion... Quoted: Quoted:For now, Microsoft will let Apple and Samsung slug it out for low-margin phone marketshare. Quoted: I didn't say that Apple and Samsung are slugging it out over low-margin phones. Margins are falling on cell phones. Apple's margins fell ~27% in the past year. iPhone sales are slumping. http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-earnings-fall-on-iphone-slump-1469565018 Staying out of a product with shrinking margins seems like a smart move by Microsoft. I'm sorry for my confusion... No problem! Apology accepted. |
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Quoted: Surfaces are junk. i work with them everyday In what respect are they junk? I almost got an iPad but decided on a surface 2 at the last minute. The RT one not the pro one. I chose that one because it had RT office already on it. Its been awesome and I'm so glad I didn't waste my money on an iPad. I do everything on it. I have a couple spreadsheets open at once, one note, plus listen to music and surf the web. Its getting a little long in the tooth now, because of no apps and stuff but I still use it more than my laptop. I've even dropped the thing several times. I wish the RT versions would have taken off but at least there are still surfaces. I will get another of whatever version is offered when the time comes. I've been spoiled. I laugh at Mac users. |
| I work for a large university IT department and we issue out thousands of them the biggest problem we have with the Surface is they are slightly higher in price and when someone physically breaks them. Other than that minor issues occasionally but when you are talking in the 4-500 range we have in the wild. The old first Surfaces sucked the new ones are pretty slick. FYI I am a Mac guy and I like the Surface devices. |