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6/18/2003 7:47:42 AM EDT
What and when was it?
6/18/2003 7:56:04 AM EDT
[#1]
September 17, 1908

A passenger that Orville Wright had taken for a flight.  
6/18/2003 7:58:13 AM EDT
[#2]
Think the first documented aviation crash.
WAY before the Wright Brothers.
6/18/2003 7:59:14 AM EDT
[#3]
Icarus?
6/18/2003 8:03:34 AM EDT
[#4]
Don't remember exactly when, but I believe the first fatality was a Lt. Selfridge (sp?).
6/18/2003 8:06:40 AM EDT
[#5]
Well, could it be 60 A.D., a Roman attempted the first human flight during games organized by Emperor Neron to celebrate his empire.
6/18/2003 8:09:25 AM EDT
[#6]
Pilatre de Rozier and a passenger were killed while trying to cross the English Channel in a hot air balloon on June 15th, 1785.  That's the earliest I know of.
6/18/2003 8:14:33 AM EDT
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6/18/2003 8:15:08 AM EDT
[#8]
This is the one I was referring to ...

In 1908, passenger flight took a turn for the worse when the first fatal air crash occurred on September 17. Orville Wright was piloting the plane. Orville Wright survived the crash, but his passenger, Signal Corps Lieutenant Thomas Selfridge, did not. The Wright Brothers had been allowing passengers to fly with them since May 14, 1908.  
6/18/2003 8:18:19 AM EDT
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[BS2][BS]

I dont think so.  Unless you actually believe a man can fly with wax and feather wings strapped to his back.
6/18/2003 8:19:58 AM EDT
[#10]
I think the veracity of the Icarus incident is in dispute.  I'm not sure he qualifies. [:)]
6/18/2003 8:21:59 AM EDT
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I thought we were talking about fact...
6/18/2003 8:29:21 AM EDT
[#12]
Selfridge was the first fatality of a powered, heavier-than-air craft, but many of the early experimenters were killed. Otto Lilienthal died of injuries from a glider crash in Germany in about 1896.
6/18/2003 8:37:02 AM EDT
[#13]
It wasn't just any wax.  It was a special lightweight carbon composite wax, plus Icarus had experimented with which feathers produced the best undisturbed airflow and thus, the best lift to drag ratio.
[:D]
6/18/2003 8:41:05 AM EDT
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It wasn't just any wax.  It was a special lightweight carbon composite wax, plus Icarus had experimented with which feathers produced the best undisturbed airflow and thus, the best lift to drag ratio.
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I gotta see Icarus's windtunnel.  I wonder if he got laminar flow over the entire chord?  NACA, eat your heart out!
6/18/2003 8:39:55 AM EDT
[#15]
... No, no, no. Ya'll have it wrong. Icarus' failure was caused by his powerplant.

... If he'd flapped hard and fast enough he would have flown.
6/18/2003 8:51:01 AM EDT
[#16]
Hey, Icarus was just following the vectors given to him by ATC.
6/18/2003 8:51:18 AM EDT
[#17]
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It wasn't just any wax.  It was a special lightweight carbon composite wax, plus Icarus had experimented with which feathers produced the best undisturbed airflow and thus, the best lift to drag ratio.
[:D]
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[LOL]
I gotta see Icarus's windtunnel.  I wonder if he got laminar flow over the entire chord?  NACA, eat your heart out!
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The wind tunnel consisted of ancient giants blowing into a cave. [;D]
6/18/2003 8:51:40 AM EDT
[#18]
I guess none of you read the Epic of Gilgamesh
6/18/2003 9:03:59 AM EDT
[#19]
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[BS2][BS]

I dont think so.  Unless you actually believe a man can fly with wax and feather wings strapped to his back.
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Well....we do have people on this board that believe that CSI is a reality based show. [bd]
6/18/2003 9:21:53 AM EDT
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... No, no, no. Ya'll have it wrong. Icarus' failure was caused by his powerplant.

... If he'd flapped hard and fast enough he would have flown.

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Fuel starvation.

DrMark
6/19/2003 12:24:44 AM EDT
[#21]
Icarus:

It was Pre-Ban feathers on a Post-Ban Airframe.

Doomed from the start.
6/19/2003 12:33:28 AM EDT
[#22]
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Icarus?
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I thought we were talking about fact...
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Yeah!

Damn trick questions anyway.
6/19/2003 1:09:23 AM EDT
[#23]
I figured it would be one of Leonardo da Vinci's luckless assistants...
6/19/2003 8:38:44 AM EDT
[#24]
Some of you guys should read the White Bull by Fred Saberhagen. After you read that Icarus will be on your mind a lot. And it wasn't a serious answer. As far as I know, his story is not truth, but mythology.
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