Posted: 3/30/2016 9:24:20 PM EDT
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Say you were poking around the local junkyard, and happen across a Mopar engine. You wipe an inch of dust off the air cleaner, and see a sticker with things like "413" and "365HP" written on it.
You can get it for next to nothing. Would you snap it up, even if you have nothing to put it in? 
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Most likely not, but I tend to be more of a chevy guy... even with a chevy BB I doubt I would unless I knew by the numbers that it was a rare/desirable motor....Any hotrod I built today the most I would use off an old motor is the block..and maybe the crank, everything else would be top aftermarket stuff anyway..and if you are going that far, aftermarket blocks and cranks would be likely to get the nod anyway......
ETA....also OP, if I am building a motor, I am gonna want to see it apart before I buy it so I can at least make sure at a minimum that it is a well centered block with as little core shift as possible, and I am gonna want topic thru as many engines as possible to find one with minimum core shift and that will stand a good chance passing sonic checking at other test to make sure I am not putting time/money into a ticking time bomb.... |
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That would be a 64 or 65 Street Wedge. 365hp / 470lb-ft torque with a single 4. A max wedge would have 2 4's either canted inline or radical 15" crossram runners.
This motor is the precursor to the 426 wedge and finally the 426 Hemi. It eventually was replaced with RB 440 engines. Not as valuable as a Hemi, but it was available in the 300 series cars so it could have some value to a restorer. |
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Say you were poking around the local junkyard, and happen across a Mopar engine. You wipe an inch of dust off the air cleaner, and see a sticker with things like "413" and "365HP" written on it. You can get it for next to nothing. Would you snap it up, even if you have nothing to put it in? buy it, now. |
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That would be a 64 or 65 Street Wedge. 365hp / 470lb-ft torque with a single 4. A max wedge would have 2 4's either canted inline or radical 15" crossram runners. This motor is the precursor to the 426 wedge and finally the 426 Hemi. It eventually was replaced with RB 440 engines. Not as valuable as a Hemi, but it was available in the 300 series cars so it could have some value to a restorer. So, decent horsepower and torque, or at least a good base to work with, then? I'd like to eventually put a hotrod together, but use something other than a "welcome to that exclusive club called everybody else" Chevy or Ford V-8. |
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That would be a 64 or 65 Street Wedge. 365hp / 470lb-ft torque with a single 4. A max wedge would have 2 4's either canted inline or radical 15" crossram runners. This motor is the precursor to the 426 wedge and finally the 426 Hemi. It eventually was replaced with RB 440 engines. Not as valuable as a Hemi, but it was available in the 300 series cars so it could have some value to a restorer. I believe the 413, 426, and 440 were all considered RB blocks? |
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Most likely not, but I tend to be more of a chevy guy... even with a chevy BB I doubt I would unless I knew by the numbers that it was a rare/desirable motor....Any hotrod I built today the most I would use off an old motor is the block..and maybe the crank, everything else would be top aftermarket stuff anyway..and if you are going that far, aftermarket blocks and cranks would be likely to get the nod anyway...... ETA....also OP, if I am building a motor, I am gonna want to see it apart before I buy it so I can at least make sure at a minimum that it is a well centered block with as little core shift as possible, and I am gonna want topic thru as many engines as possible to find one with minimum core shift and that will stand a good chance passing sonic checking at other test to make sure I am not putting time/money into a ticking time bomb.... LOL |
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Quoted: LOL Quoted: Quoted: Most likely not, but I tend to be more of a chevy guy... even with a chevy BB I doubt I would unless I knew by the numbers that it was a rare/desirable motor....Any hotrod I built today the most I would use off an old motor is the block..and maybe the crank, everything else would be top aftermarket stuff anyway..and if you are going that far, aftermarket blocks and cranks would be likely to get the nod anyway...... ETA....also OP, if I am building a motor, I am gonna want to see it apart before I buy it so I can at least make sure at a minimum that it is a well centered block with as little core shift as possible, and I am gonna want topic thru as many engines as possible to find one with minimum core shift and that will stand a good chance passing sonic checking at other test to make sure I am not putting time/money into a ticking time bomb.... LOL This deserves a second LOL an maybe a  |
Yep, I would buy it in a second. I have actually been looking for a 413 of any variety to rebuild and drop in my 62 Plymouth. Already have the 727 bb pushbutton transmission. The only ones I have found on Ebay were in Minnesota I believe. Guy had quite a few of them, no way for me to pick up
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So, decent horsepower and torque, or at least a good base to work with, then? I'd like to eventually put a hotrod together, but use something other than a "welcome to that exclusive club called everybody else" Chevy or Ford V-8. Quoted:
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That would be a 64 or 65 Street Wedge. 365hp / 470lb-ft torque with a single 4. A max wedge would have 2 4's either canted inline or radical 15" crossram runners. This motor is the precursor to the 426 wedge and finally the 426 Hemi. It eventually was replaced with RB 440 engines. Not as valuable as a Hemi, but it was available in the 300 series cars so it could have some value to a restorer. So, decent horsepower and torque, or at least a good base to work with, then? I'd like to eventually put a hotrod together, but use something other than a "welcome to that exclusive club called everybody else" Chevy or Ford V-8. Put a 2JZ in a 32 Ford. Different. |
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413 max wedge is the "pre-Hemi". a bare block is worth around $500-1000. Guy on forbbodiesonly posted a bareblock he picked up for next to nothing from a shop. He knew the stampings and found the cylinder notches. Max wedge block. I wish I had that kind of luck. |
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Quoted: This deserves a second LOL an maybe a Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Most likely not, but I tend to be more of a chevy guy... even with a chevy BB I doubt I would unless I knew by the numbers that it was a rare/desirable motor....Any hotrod I built today the most I would use off an old motor is the block..and maybe the crank, everything else would be top aftermarket stuff anyway..and if you are going that far, aftermarket blocks and cranks would be likely to get the nod anyway...... ETA....also OP, if I am building a motor, I am gonna want to see it apart before I buy it so I can at least make sure at a minimum that it is a well centered block with as little core shift as possible, and I am gonna want topic thru as many engines as possible to find one with minimum core shift and that will stand a good chance passing sonic checking at other test to make sure I am not putting time/money into a ticking time bomb.... LOL This deserves a second LOL an maybe a  That's one of the dumbest things I've heard here,probably shops in the Summit catalog |
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Top left of block facing the water pump if I remember right. Quoted:
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I wouldn't go on the air cleaner alone, research the numbers on the engine, imo. Top left of block facing the water pump if I remember right. I'll probably check it out again tomorrow, so I'll check that spot out. |
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Most likely not, but I tend to be more of a chevy guy... even with a chevy BB I doubt I would unless I knew by the numbers that it was a rare/desirable motor....Any hotrod I built today the most I would use off an old motor is the block..and maybe the crank, everything else would be top aftermarket stuff anyway..and if you are going that far, aftermarket blocks and cranks would be likely to get the nod anyway...... ETA....also OP, if I am building a motor, I am gonna want to see it apart before I buy it so I can at least make sure at a minimum that it is a well centered block with as little core shift as possible, and I am gonna want topic thru as many engines as possible to find one with minimum core shift and that will stand a good chance passing sonic checking at other test to make sure I am not putting time/money into a ticking time bomb.... OP said "if you could get if for next to nothing". I would make sure it still turns 360 and buy it to flip. |
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Put it in a ford. I used to like you. Now. Not so much. I was looking a a 56 57 Chevy pickup that had a mustang two front with airbag suspension and a Dodge 440/727. OP, Yes, Pick it up cheap and flip it. Dodge/Chrysler collectors are rabid about things like that and pay good money for that stuff if you find the right people. |