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4/8/2016 10:22:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dodge223:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By Dodge223:
I switch between the top two depending on pant choice. The Mini tuff lite is my sheeple freindly "Hey, can I borrow your knife" edc...

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz336/Dodge223/Arfcom/5D77261C-BC1D-4F42-86AA-124996BF5FFF_zpslu7k6wov.jpg



Is that the Kahr delica?


It is! I also made my own
http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz336/Dodge223/Blades/467B4E49-EC49-43B6-9968-EDE9E03D6485_zps3mogcyha.jpg



Very cool
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4/8/2016 11:06:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:


I'm assuming you're talking about the SAK.

The sebenza is a hell of a working knife. The high hollow grind makes it greatfor cutting, the grip is wwell suited for working with no hot spots, rock solid lock up and it's stainless so even if you use it to gut fish it won't rust

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/waitingfortigers_zps8e86jobi.jpg


It's why I bought my son one as a first folder, it's dead simple and reliable

Plus I've noticed the more you beat on them the prettier they get

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/myshirt_zpsybkvrylk.jpg
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By showmeballer:
Originally Posted By JF12:
Debating on picking up a Microtec Ultratech...anyone have one or an opinion?  As to what I carried today it's just my usual a Sebenza and a Swiss Army Knife.



I have one and mainly use it to open letters.  

It's fun to play around with, but I would look at something else if you want a tough knife to really use.


I'm assuming you're talking about the SAK.

The sebenza is a hell of a working knife. The high hollow grind makes it greatfor cutting, the grip is wwell suited for working with no hot spots, rock solid lock up and it's stainless so even if you use it to gut fish it won't rust

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/waitingfortigers_zps8e86jobi.jpg


It's why I bought my son one as a first folder, it's dead simple and reliable

Plus I've noticed the more you beat on them the prettier they get

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/myshirt_zpsybkvrylk.jpg

He was talking about the Microtech Ultratech I'm pretty sure.  I think I'm going to pass on it.  Concerning the Sebenza as a working knife...it's all that and more.  That's one knife I'm glad I spent the money on.
4/9/2016 4:37:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JF12:

He was talking about the Microtech Ultratech I'm pretty sure.  I think I'm going to pass on it.  Concerning the Sebenza as a working knife...it's all that and more.  That's one knife I'm glad I spent the money on.
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Originally Posted By JF12:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By showmeballer:
Originally Posted By JF12:
Debating on picking up a Microtec Ultratech...anyone have one or an opinion?  As to what I carried today it's just my usual a Sebenza and a Swiss Army Knife.



I have one and mainly use it to open letters.  

It's fun to play around with, but I would look at something else if you want a tough knife to really use.


I'm assuming you're talking about the SAK.

The sebenza is a hell of a working knife. The high hollow grind makes it greatfor cutting, the grip is wwell suited for working with no hot spots, rock solid lock up and it's stainless so even if you use it to gut fish it won't rust

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/waitingfortigers_zps8e86jobi.jpg


It's why I bought my son one as a first folder, it's dead simple and reliable

Plus I've noticed the more you beat on them the prettier they get

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/myshirt_zpsybkvrylk.jpg

He was talking about the Microtech Ultratech I'm pretty sure.  I think I'm going to pass on it.  Concerning the Sebenza as a working knife...it's all that and more.  That's one knife I'm glad I spent the money on.



Ohh.


Yeah microtechs are kinda finicky and their warranty process is a nightmare.

I <3 working knives

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4/9/2016 5:06:26 PM EDT
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My current EDC knife is a Benchmade 5500. Love that knife!

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I used to have a Benchmade 5270 (loved that thing as well) but it got lost when I sent it out for some warranty repair work. Due to Benchmade's policy on doing warranty work on automatic knives, I had to send it back to them through the dealer. So, I took it to them and sent it out, never got a call that it was back. I called every couple weeks and kept checking anytime I was in there and they told me it was still out. So, finally after several months of this, I asked to speak to the owner of the shop so I could get to the bottom of what was taking so long. He called Benchmade and they said they never recieved it. The repair tag showing that it was out for repair still. So, the owner says "Well, we can't find your knife. It's been lost somewhere between here and Benchmade. Not our fault, but not yours either. Bottom line is, you need a knife, so your're going to walk out of here with a knife today." He then told me to pick out one that was right around the same price point as the one that got lost, he zeroed it out on the register, and I walked out with a brand new 5500. Which is why I do business with those guys.
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4/9/2016 5:31:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Devin007:
My current EDC knife is a Benchmade 5500. Love that knife!

Warning: TL;DR alert:

I used to have a Benchmade 5270 (loved that thing as well) but it got lost when I sent it out for some warranty repair work. Due to Benchmade's policy on doing warranty work on automatic knives, I had to send it back to them through the dealer. So, I took it to them and sent it out, never got a call that it was back. I called every couple weeks and kept checking anytime I was in there and they told me it was still out. So, finally after several months of this, I asked to speak to the owner of the shop so I could get to the bottom of what was taking so long. He called Benchmade and they said they never recieved it. The repair tag showing that it was out for repair still. So, the owner says "Well, we can't find your knife. It's been lost somewhere between here and Benchmade. Not our fault, but not yours either. Bottom line is, you need a knife, so your're going to walk out of here with a knife today." He then told me to pick out one that was right around the same price point as the one that got lost, he zeroed it out on the register, and I walked out with a brand new 5500. Which is why I do business with those guys.
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I need to find a place like that
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4/9/2016 5:56:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:



Snitches get stitches.

Snow man didn't know his place.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/hipstervision_zps2hez9oet.jpg
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
http://i.imgur.com/ABlrxgi.jpg



Snitches get stitches.

Snow man didn't know his place.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/hipstervision_zps2hez9oet.jpg




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4/9/2016 6:34:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DesertSkorpion:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
http://i.imgur.com/ABlrxgi.jpg



Snitches get stitches.

Snow man didn't know his place.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/hipstervision_zps2hez9oet.jpg




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Glock G20 with an old ass light.

Swamp Rat Ratmandu in INFI

Chris Reeve Sebenza 21
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4/10/2016 2:13:23 PM EDT
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How stupid big is the Satu?

Well, I took out my (what I thought) was my other stupid big folder, the Benchmade Adamas.





It's positively petite next to the Satu.



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4/10/2016 5:44:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:

How stupid big is the Satu?

Well, I took out my (what I thought) was my other stupid big folder, the Benchmade Adamas.

http://i.imgur.com/60mXhlt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FnL6OIG.jpg

It's positively petite next to the Satu.



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Holy crap.


That thing is a monster. Still looking at the Dua over the Satu, or a Chaves, or Southard
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4/10/2016 9:50:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:


Holy crap.


That thing is a monster. Still looking at the Dua over the Satu, or a Chaves, or Southard
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

How stupid big is the Satu?

Well, I took out my (what I thought) was my other stupid big folder, the Benchmade Adamas.

http://i.imgur.com/60mXhlt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FnL6OIG.jpg

It's positively petite next to the Satu.





Holy crap.


That thing is a monster. Still looking at the Dua over the Satu, or a Chaves, or Southard


You might want to hold off on the Dua.

A little bird told me that the "Tiga" is coming out in a few months, it'll be sized between the Satu and Dua.

The long term future is a mash up of Idiocracy and 1984. "Ow, my balls" meets "He loved Big Brother". The boot on your face will likely be a big red clown shoe, but it'll be there regardless. - pmacb
4/10/2016 10:04:49 PM EDT
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4/10/2016 11:01:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:



You might want to hold off on the Dua.

A little bird told me that the "Tiga" is coming out in a few months, it'll be sized between the Satu and Dua.

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Originally Posted By RarestRX:

Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

How stupid big is the Satu?

Well, I took out my (what I thought) was my other stupid big folder, the Benchmade Adamas.

http://i.imgur.com/60mXhlt.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FnL6OIG.jpg

It's positively petite next to the Satu.





Holy crap.


That thing is a monster. Still looking at the Dua over the Satu, or a Chaves, or Southard


You might want to hold off on the Dua.

A little bird told me that the "Tiga" is coming out in a few months, it'll be sized between the Satu and Dua.



Interesting. Should at least mean cheaper duas as people sell to buy the new thing
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4/10/2016 11:16:09 PM EDT
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Knife Porn NSFW (not safe for wallet)





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M4 Monday and had to do a little rust prevention on a carbon steel Sig after a snow day
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4/11/2016 8:16:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/itznotallfunabdgamessometimeszhithastogetdone_zpsdkahyklw.jpg

M4 Monday and had to do a little rust prevention on a carbon steel Sig after a snow day
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what Spyderco is that?  Looks awesome
4/11/2016 8:19:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tc2129:

what Spyderco is that?  Looks awesome
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Originally Posted By tc2129:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/itznotallfunabdgamessometimeszhithastogetdone_zpsdkahyklw.jpg

M4 Monday and had to do a little rust prevention on a carbon steel Sig after a snow day

what Spyderco is that?  Looks awesome



Gayle Bradley folder?
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4/11/2016 8:30:06 PM EDT
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4/11/2016 8:55:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:

http://i.imgur.com/Kt18Y19.jpg
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What knife is that in the right column 2nd from bottom in this pic?
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4/11/2016 8:59:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tc2129:

what Spyderco is that?  Looks awesome
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Originally Posted By tc2129:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/itznotallfunabdgamessometimeszhithastogetdone_zpsdkahyklw.jpg

M4 Monday and had to do a little rust prevention on a carbon steel Sig after a snow day

what Spyderco is that?  Looks awesome



Gayle Bradley!

Sexy as hell and cuts for days, M4 is one of my favorite steels.

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4/11/2016 9:13:38 PM EDT
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Jerk.
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4/11/2016 9:15:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slims_88:


What knife is that in the right column 2nd from bottom in this pic?
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Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

http://i.imgur.com/Kt18Y19.jpg


What knife is that in the right column 2nd from bottom in this pic?


It's the same as the two above it:

Zero Tolerance ZT0400 "Scavenger".

That one had been pimped, blade had been acid washed, scales were bead blasted.
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4/11/2016 9:17:03 PM EDT
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Jerk.
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Once I get my ADV back from pimping, I'll take a new family photo.

Lots of them are gone now, mostly because I had to sell them to get those Midtechs.
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4/11/2016 9:17:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:


It's the same as the two above it:

Zero Tolerance ZT0400 "Scavenger".

That one had been pimped, blade had been acid washed, scales were bead blasted.
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

http://i.imgur.com/Kt18Y19.jpg


What knife is that in the right column 2nd from bottom in this pic?


It's the same as the two above it:

Zero Tolerance ZT0400 "Scavenger".

That one had been pimped, blade had been acid washed, scales were bead blasted.


Thanks, it looked like it, but I was confused not seeing the ZT logo. Acid washing the blade explains why it's gone.

ETA: Damn, looks like they discontinued the 0400's.
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4/11/2016 9:26:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slims_88:


Thanks, it looked like it, but I was confused not seeing the ZT logo. Acid washing the blade explains why it's gone.

ETA: Damn, looks like they discontinued the 0400's.
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Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

http://i.imgur.com/Kt18Y19.jpg


What knife is that in the right column 2nd from bottom in this pic?


It's the same as the two above it:

Zero Tolerance ZT0400 "Scavenger".

That one had been pimped, blade had been acid washed, scales were bead blasted.


Thanks, it looked like it, but I was confused not seeing the ZT logo. Acid washing the blade explains why it's gone.

ETA: Damn, looks like they discontinued the 0400's.


Yeah, that's why I bought a bunch of 'em.



Do you want plain blade of serrated?

I saw a serrated for sale on BF or on the EE.

I can probably find it.
The long term future is a mash up of Idiocracy and 1984. "Ow, my balls" meets "He loved Big Brother". The boot on your face will likely be a big red clown shoe, but it'll be there regardless. - pmacb
4/11/2016 9:28:14 PM EDT
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All just collecting dust since I received my Tolk.


 
4/11/2016 9:45:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:


Yeah, that's why I bought a bunch of 'em.



Do you want plain blade of serrated?

I saw a serrated for sale on BF or on the EE.

I can probably find it.
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

http://i.imgur.com/Kt18Y19.jpg


What knife is that in the right column 2nd from bottom in this pic?


It's the same as the two above it:

Zero Tolerance ZT0400 "Scavenger".

That one had been pimped, blade had been acid washed, scales were bead blasted.


Thanks, it looked like it, but I was confused not seeing the ZT logo. Acid washing the blade explains why it's gone.

ETA: Damn, looks like they discontinued the 0400's.


Yeah, that's why I bought a bunch of 'em.



Do you want plain blade of serrated?

I saw a serrated for sale on BF or on the EE.

I can probably find it.


I prefer plain blades, but depending on the price, I'd go serrated.
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4/11/2016 9:47:04 PM EDT
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4/11/2016 10:09:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:



Gayle Bradley!

Sexy as hell and cuts for days, M4 is one of my favorite steels.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/wheniwakeupiputonmymakeup_zpsyokbyg3b.jpg
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By tc2129:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/itznotallfunabdgamessometimeszhithastogetdone_zpsdkahyklw.jpg

M4 Monday and had to do a little rust prevention on a carbon steel Sig after a snow day

what Spyderco is that?  Looks awesome



Gayle Bradley!

Sexy as hell and cuts for days, M4 is one of my favorite steels.

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/wheniwakeupiputonmymakeup_zpsyokbyg3b.jpg

Awesome thanks. Looks very nice
4/11/2016 11:23:11 PM EDT
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I almost bought that knife a while back.

DPx has some cool designs, the bro skull has stopped me from buying a couple models
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4/15/2016 10:57:18 AM EDT
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4/15/2016 11:19:25 AM EDT
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I just noticed this.


You have a very diverse collection
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You are joking right? 90% of my collection is Spyderco
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usually a Kershaw leek. I love it as an edc knife as I barely notice its there.


I also love my Kershaw 1860 piston. It is a large knife that doesn't feel big in my pocket thanks to its clip.


thanks to the other threads like this, I couldn't help but order a Ganzo knife. I wanted to see if I like autos without spending the benchmade price yet. I love this knife. I have only been carrying it a week but so far so good. for 30.00 shipped its hard to beat.
4/15/2016 1:46:03 PM EDT
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That turned out really nice
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Thanks, I'm a sucker for the green handle/black blade thing.

Looking forward to lining it up with my other pimped knives.
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4/15/2016 5:58:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:


Thanks, I'm a sucker for the green handle/black blade thing.

Looking forward to lining it up with my other pimped knives.
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I'm looking forward to the pics as well.


But today is Carbon Fiber Friday!




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4/15/2016 6:03:40 PM EDT
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Surefire Charlie for my EDC

Tazaroo: She has regressed into a "feral" state. Nothing worse than a feral hippie.
4/15/2016 6:04:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Star_Scream:

I'm looking forward to the pics as well.


But today is Carbon Fiber Friday!

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/laruecffri_zpsjt4ox0vw.jpg


And a package from Mark LaRue
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Nice!

How do you like that Positron?
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4/16/2016 7:46:59 PM EDT
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Thanks to RarestRX for pointing me in the direction of my latest ZT.

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4/16/2016 8:10:12 PM EDT
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4/16/2016 8:11:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:


Nice!

How do you like that Positron?
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Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:

I'm looking forward to the pics as well.


But today is Carbon Fiber Friday!

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu199/starscr34m/laruecffri_zpsjt4ox0vw.jpg


And a package from Mark LaRue


Nice!

How do you like that Positron?


Love it. Light, super fast and a great cutter
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4/16/2016 8:32:03 PM EDT
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I almost bought that knife a while back.

DPx has some cool designs, the bro skull has stopped me from buying a couple models
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I almost bought that knife a while back.

DPx has some cool designs, the bro skull has stopped me from buying a couple models


The skull makes me think of something Suicidal Tendencies would use. I like it. My current favorite pocket fixed blade.

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4/16/2016 9:11:33 PM EDT
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Opposite ends of the spectrum, chilling with my onions

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4/16/2016 9:11:42 PM EDT
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I keep forgetting to ignore that jerk

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I think that about you half the time you post knives also.

Some of y'all cost me too much money. I swear to God thanks to you I will have a Sebenza or 2 this year.
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4/16/2016 9:26:44 PM EDT
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Hmm, pic not showing up for me.



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direct link work?

ETA: Trying to post pics from google photos not photobucket is a pain in the fucking ass.
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4/16/2016 9:28:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By slims_88:


direct link work?

ETA: Trying to post pics from google photos not photobucket is a pain in the fucking ass.
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Originally Posted By slims_88:
Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Hmm, pic not showing up for me.





direct link work?

ETA: Trying to post pics from google photos not photobucket is a pain in the fucking ass.


Got a 404 on that one.

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