Posted: 2/18/2016 5:06:06 AM EDT
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It's not cracking the phone for some turrorists that has everyone pissed off.
It's giving government the ability to crack any phone from now on at the discretion of secret judges in secret courts issuing blanket warrants for invading what little privacy we have left 
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Quoted: It's not cracking the phone for some turrorists that has everyone pissed off. It's giving government the ability to crack any phone from now on at the discretion of secret judges in secret courts issuing blanket warrants for invading what little privacy we have left We've been down this shit creek already with the Patriot Act. |
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It's not just that, it's trusting them with something that can be stolen and exploited by criminals. The potential risk is insane. Quoted:
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It's not cracking the phone for some turrorists that has everyone pissed off. It's giving government the ability to crack any phone from now on at the discretion of secret judges in secret courts issuing blanket warrants for invading what little privacy we have left
We've been down this shit creek already with the Patriot Act. Are you crazy, the government would never lose or misplace this software/exploit. These are top men! |
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Quoted: Are you crazy, the government would never lose or misplace this software/exploit. These are top men! Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's not cracking the phone for some turrorists that has everyone pissed off. It's giving government the ability to crack any phone from now on at the discretion of secret judges in secret courts issuing blanket warrants for invading what little privacy we have left We've been down this shit creek already with the Patriot Act. Are you crazy, the government would never lose or misplace this software/exploit. These are top men! |
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Is that what the court order was for?
I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. |
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. |
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That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. 100% Correct. Fuck the fed.... On that note if the feds would have taken even a cursory look at the two terrorist FB pages prior to allowing them in this could have probably been prevented AND they (.gov) could have interrogated them to gain more Intel....but noooo. Far better to ignore the obvious and allow the enemy in the country to do there terroristic things and then attempt to trample the civil liberties of the law abiding..
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That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. |
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Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. So now when a criminal steals your iPhone, he can give it to his 8chan hacker buddy who has the script to disable the iPhones security and then steal the shit out of your identity... No thanks. The device was built with the security it has for a reason. |
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So now when a criminal steals your iPhone, he can give it to his 8chan hacker buddy who has the script to disable the iPhones security and then steal the shit out of your identity... No thanks. The device was built with the security it has for a reason. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. So now when a criminal steals your iPhone, he can give it to his 8chan hacker buddy who has the script to disable the iPhones security and then steal the shit out of your identity... No thanks. The device was built with the security it has for a reason. I agree that would be bad. Honestly I'm surprised Apple doesn't have a way to get into their own phones. At least they're saying they don't. |
| I pose that encryption is not only legal, but a constitutional right under the fourth amendment, and that the federal government has no authority regulating such concepts due to a lack of specifically enumerated powers to do so. I would further note that encryption/encoding methods have been in existence for at least 2 millennia. |
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I pose that encryption is not only legal, but a constitutional right under the fourth amendment, and that the federal government has no authority regulating such concepts due to a lack of specifically enumerated powers to do so. I would further note that encryption/encoding methods have been in existence for at least 2 millennia. The Fourth Amendment hasn't meant shit for years, now 
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I agree that would be bad. Honestly I'm surprised Apple doesn't have a way to get into their own phones. At least they're saying they don't. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. So now when a criminal steals your iPhone, he can give it to his 8chan hacker buddy who has the script to disable the iPhones security and then steal the shit out of your identity... No thanks. The device was built with the security it has for a reason. I agree that would be bad. Honestly I'm surprised Apple doesn't have a way to get into their own phones. At least they're saying they don't. Apple has no need to get into the phone. They can always just reset the thing if an idiot forgets their code. |
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And when you think of it like that I tend to agree. But the problem is the bigger picture. Once you let the genie out how do you get him back in the bottle? Quoted:
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On one single phone hell yes.... And when you think of it like that I tend to agree. But the problem is the bigger picture. Once you let the genie out how do you get him back in the bottle? Impossible to get him back in which is why Apple is fighting so hard not to let him out... |
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APL gives .gov the software who promises pretty please to only use it on the jihadi fucks' phone... or anyone's phone assuming a secret judge issues a secret warrant. Quoted:
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On one single phone hell yes.... How? APL gives .gov the software who promises pretty please to only use it on the jihadi fucks' phone... or anyone's phone assuming a secret judge issues a secret warrant. Yeah, they've done so well with their personnel records too.. 
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Yeah, they've done so well with their personnel records too.. Quoted:
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On one single phone hell yes.... How? APL gives .gov the software who promises pretty please to only use it on the jihadi fucks' phone... or anyone's phone assuming a secret judge issues a secret warrant. Yeah, they've done so well with their personnel records too.. Some low level drone will have the key on a usb drive and uploaded to the darkwebs by the end of the day. |
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On one single phone hell yes.... It isn't a matter of Apple handing over anything. The court is ordering apple to create something which does not currently exist. It wouldn't be like Apple handing over a key. It is closer to Apple being forced to retrofit a lock, engineer a new lock picking tool, and a bunch of other stuff. If they do it once, it can be copied and done again. The courts will ask for it to be done to other terrorist cases, it will likely lead to courts wanting it to be done for other civil cases. There is nothing of significant value on the phone. They won't uncover terrorists in a sleeper cell. If there were terrorists in such a sleeper cell, then they would have scratched their itchy trigger-fingers already. At most, there will be some exchange with an internet tough guy or two cheering them on. There is also a chance that more valuable information on the phone is locked away with stronger encryption methods. |
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Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. Apple pushes updates to the OS remotely, so likely any Apple phone could have it's security bypassed by anyone with the tool at any time probably without their knowledge. |
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Apple pushes updates to the OS remotely, so likely any Apple phone could have it's security bypassed by anyone with the tool at any time probably without their knowledge. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. Is there anything that they could really do with it without someone's physical phone? To install this software then enter the passwords? When I first read about what the Feds wanted it sounded like they wanted Apple to make a way to get into phones remotely. Apple pushes updates to the OS remotely, so likely any Apple phone could have it's security bypassed by anyone with the tool at any time probably without their knowledge. Ummm, no, Apple does not push updates remotely. The user has to initiate an iOS update. |
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100% Correct. Fuck the fed.... On that note if the feds would have taken even a cursory look at the two terrorist FB pages prior to allowing them in this could have probably been prevented AND they (.gov) could have interrogated them to gain more Intel....but noooo. Far better to ignore the obvious and allow the enemy in the country to do there terroristic things and then attempt to trample the civil liberties of the law abiding.. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. 100% Correct. Fuck the fed.... On that note if the feds would have taken even a cursory look at the two terrorist FB pages prior to allowing them in this could have probably been prevented AND they (.gov) could have interrogated them to gain more Intel....but noooo. Far better to ignore the obvious and allow the enemy in the country to do there terroristic things and then attempt to trample the civil liberties of the law abiding.. |
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Quoted: Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. This. |
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Fuck no.
1. They are being compelled to create something that does not exist and is entirely non-trivial. This is not like producing a list of customers or a list of someone's phone calls. They're going to need to pull firmware developers off other projects to create this software. 2. Once it's created it will leak creating a security issue for all of their users. 3. Do we really believe that the FBI will use it on this one phone and then destroy it? Very possible that every version of this hardware will be vulnerable to it - at minimum every phone with this hardware/firmware version will be vulnerable. |
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Knee jerk reaction is to say "Yes, of course. We HAVE to stop terrorists, by any means necessary." But then I think "Wait! They also want to deprive anyone who is on the No Fly List, for whatever reason, without having ever been convicted or even accused of any wrongdoing, of their right to own guns." And my reaction quickly turns to "Fuck No!!!" |
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Quoted: Top men! Who's own data will remain secure via the office of personnel management.... Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's not cracking the phone for some turrorists that has everyone pissed off. It's giving government the ability to crack any phone from now on at the discretion of secret judges in secret courts issuing blanket warrants for invading what little privacy we have left We've been down this shit creek already with the Patriot Act. Are you crazy, the government would never lose or misplace this software/exploit. These are top men! Unless it gets e-mailed to Hillary. |
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100% Correct. Fuck the fed.... On that note if the feds would have taken even a cursory look at the two terrorist FB pages prior to allowing them in this could have probably been prevented AND they (.gov) could have interrogated them to gain more Intel....but noooo. Far better to ignore the obvious and allow the enemy in the country to do there terroristic things and then attempt to trample the civil liberties of the law abiding.. Quoted:
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Is that what the court order was for? I haven't really been following too closely but I thought the order was for software that would prevent the phone from being wiped after too many failed password attempts. That way they could just manually enter passwords till they got the right one. That is a backdoor. It completely compromises the security of the device. 100% Correct. Fuck the fed.... On that note if the feds would have taken even a cursory look at the two terrorist FB pages prior to allowing them in this could have probably been prevented AND they (.gov) could have interrogated them to gain more Intel....but noooo. Far better to ignore the obvious and allow the enemy in the country to do there terroristic things and then attempt to trample the civil liberties of the law abiding.. Fucking this! With all of the spying on American citizens, they waited until there were innocent citizens killed to give a fuck about them now they want a company to exploit possibly all of our personal info. Fuck them |
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I hate to cry "slippery slope" but, when has any government gained access to an amazing new surveillance technique, used it the one time and then packed it away and never used it again? Never, that's when!
Today itll be used to crack a terrorist phone. Tomorrow it will be used to cracking a potential terrorist phone. The day after it'll be used to crack a suspected drug dealer phone. The day after it'll be used to crack a suspected unfaithful husbands phone. |
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im lost here...why is this made into such a big deal, by both the government and apple? get a warrant, crack the single phone...no broad brush backdoor needed or should be asked for...just reveal what is on the criminals phone, by obtaining a warrant, problem solved...case by case basis apple cracks phone, doesn't reveal how it cracked it, downloads data from that single phone, gives to government...problem solved...this shit is checkers |
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At first glance, all of the top GOP candidates this year support forcing Apple to attempt manufacturing a crack. Not surprising. They've had their fingers burned through unauthorised surveillance before. Now they are going out to the tech industry to "build a partnership" that enables them to gain access to the information of individual targets. Industry says no....."Govt says fine... we are going in anyway". It's part of a game they have to play in order to keep the chickens from clucking too loudly. The political paymasters want to be seen to do things right and have the blame land on either the spooks or the tech industry. It's about non committal buck passing which leaves everybody else with the problem while the political types do the finger wagging. |