[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Chicks in danger (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/24/2003 9:01:31 PM EDT
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As you know some of the Texas chicks are being trounced by their fellow Texans,but I think one of the chicks is from Oklahoma! Well I think that they may have made their feelings of how they felt about their President,World wide and probably with more backlash than expected. But if I said that the peanut farmer from Georgia was the worst President ever,would you or any other Georgia boy want to kick my ass,burn my CD,or simply try to change my option? This girl just made a statement thinking that she would find an audience that would be in her favor! But she forgot that she wasn't at the Huns farm,and what is said there doesn't stay there! She got her tit in a wringer,and she knows it! Bruce Springsteen said it the way it should be said! She made a mistake and is sorry,but in no way should she apologize for using the right of free speech! She just wishes she had never said what she did. They are pro -America and are going to kick their new tour off in South Carolina where they are ready to boycott them ASP. They are talented and sing great songs(patriotic songs) and they will prevail! I and many others here have passed over the bounds(and have been admonished by others)and apologized and the likes of Aimless.toaster,doublefeed,styer just said we all make mistakes just keep your heads up and keep on posting! Why not the same for the Dixie Chicks? They are a true talent,and great songwriters! They been spanked,lets give them another chance Bob [:D] |
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Quoted: They been spanked,lets give them another chance Bob [:D] No f*****g way. [pissed] My stepson is "over there" putting his ass on the line to defend their precious "right to say stupid f*****g things" and they return the P.S. There umpteenth "apology" tonight was truly pathetic. They "feel" this has "gotten out of hand." [rolleyes] They have no idea just how out of hand this is going to get. God bless America, but goddamn the Ditzy Slits. [pissed] P.P.S. No offense, [b]bobbyjack[/b]--I just don't agree with you. It's nothing personal. [:)] |
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Fug 'em! I heard Natalie's non-apology apology. And I heard all the questions that she had about our venture into Iraq. But she didn't say, 'I am embarrassed that the Bush Administration has given such little thought to the possibilities of this war's outcome.' She didn't say, 'I feel embarrassed that the Plan for the invasion of Iraq shows such little chance of success.' She didn't even say, 'I can't support this war against the Iraqi people.' She simply said, 'We are just embarrassed that President Bush is from Texas.' Now, what the F*** does that mean? Not very weighty opinion, is it? And I can assure Miss Natalie that President Bush is quite popular here in Texas. And [u]she's[/u] not! [:D] She's just trying to make her stupid, stupid remark sound like someone's from Hollyweird. Eric The(I'llBePissedIn20Years)Hun[>]:)] |
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But if I said that the peanut farmer from Georgia was the worst President ever,would you or any other Georgia boy want to kick my ass,burn my CD,or simply try to change my option I would agree with you on that one. But Bush is a helluva lot better than Carter ever was. Oh yeah, [b]F@#K THE DIXIE TWITS[/b] |
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You guys are so fu8king funny.... all through clintons terms in office the gun community did nothing but downplay him and disrespect him, hell you guys even applauded the marine guard that never saluted him on the way to the chopper. grow up a little guys and give free speach the respect it deserves, as has been said before "I don't like what they say but I will die trying to protect thier freedon to say it". Natalie said her opinion, and being a texan she should have a better opinion then 80% of the rest of the USA since she was there when bush served as a governer... I would bet she has even had an audience with him. Her opinion is hers alone, she voices it in the american way of free speach where everyone can say thier peace and let it be. Far be it from me a CANADIAN to tell you americans about your constitution and the freedom of speach. All she said was she was embarresed by her president and that he was from texas.... big whop dee do. you hippocrites been saying that about clinton forever. |
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Quoted: Quoted: They been spanked,lets give them another chance Bob [:D] No f*****g way. [pissed] My stepson is "over there" putting his ass on the line to defend their precious "right to say stupid f*****g things" and they return the P.S. There umpteenth "apology" tonight was truly pathetic. They "feel" this has "gotten out of hand." [rolleyes] They have no idea just how out of hand this is going to get. God bless America, but goddamn the Ditzy Slits. [pissed] P.P.S. No offense, [b]bobbyjack[/b]--I just don't agree with you. It's nothing personal. [:)] My only child daughter Sgt Poppy Cole is in Iraq as we speak,and her favorite group is guess what the Dixie Chicks. So I quess she will have to fight for us and still like the chicks(strange world isn't it)! But thats what it is all about ,difference of oppions,and music,but not difference of allegence to this country! Bob [:D] |
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I think you can relax on blaming clinton for n Korea and technically iraq..... if back in the 50's north korea was taken care of there would be no problem, instead alot of canadian and american men lost thier lives for a DMZ, Iraq today we can blame on Bush Senior or for that matter regan for giving him the weapons. Not having lived under bush jr's reign as have yourself and the dixie chicks... don't forget that the texas members grew up with one bush or another as governor for a good portion of thier lives..... they have an informed statement having lived under bush's goverenorship. me on the other hand and again, 80% of america have an uninformed opinion on what Bush is like..... people everywhere and especially actors and musicians think that thier popularity makes them experts on every topic they discuss.... as we have seen in the past that is not the case, but to call them Unamerican because of thier statement is Funny because being american is freedom's that I as a canadian can not even begin to imagine. just because they hate the fact that thier president is from texas (the last 2 out of 3 have been texans) does not make them unamerican... any more unamerican then you guys saying your embarresed about clinton when he was in office. Opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one and for those you don;t want to hear then shut your ears. |
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I will venture that the feelings for the Dixie girls has absolutely nothing at all to do with freedom of speech, nothing. They still have the right to speak thier (limited) minds but they must be mindful that freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences of that speech. I saw no sincerity in the so-called apology, only regrets and that is not enough. They will be fine as the american people tend to be a bit short inthe memory department, hope I am wrong though. ALl of thier concerts I have heard of are well sold out (sold out before the remark was made) so the question is how will they do a year from now. I will bet just fine, but I would regret being right. Mark |
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Hey I just believe being outspoken is no reason to be ostrasized by a whole country. your whole country was formed by being outspoken, you have rewarded people for being outspoken and above all your president is one of the most vocal and outspoken people of the 20th century. like the dixie chicks george bush jr. lacks tact in what he says but he stands behind his words with a conviction that is hard to ignore. The worst things the chicks did was to apologize, obviously they have no balls to stand behind the words they spoke. George Bush is perhaps one of the best presidents you have had in a long time and brings back to the forefront american interests in the world communtiy.... yes I didn;t like his political decision to invade iraq but he did what he said he was going to do and I respect that. I stand behind you guys and your troops 100%,,.. if I was'nt such a fat outspoken bastard I wish I could be there. :) |
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Quoted: Sir, with all due respect, your above statement is apparent by your comments. [b]OldFalGuy[/b] explained it well. We are not trying to shut them up, or prevent them from speaking their minds. [b]They are finding that speaking out can have consequences.[/b] Just as they can speak freely, we can freely choose who to patronize and do business with. I will not be buying their CD's or attending their concerts. Martina McBride and Sara Evans have political views that I agree with, not to mention Hank Jr. and Charley Daniels and Aaron Tippin. Plenty of others too. I choose to exercise my freedom by patronizing them. BTW, Shania Twain has ties to anti-gun groups, and is a radical vegetarian. [:(] |
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I don't get how being antiAmerican can be considered proAmerican. Yeah, they exercized their right of free speech, and they fucked themselves over by doing so. Nobody's really arguing about their right to talk shit, we're just fucking pissed about what the bitches said. So, in closing, fuck them commie bitches. |
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Quoted: You guys are so fu8king funny.... all through clintons terms in office the gun community did nothing but downplay him and disrespect him, hell you guys even applauded the marine guard that never saluted him on the way to the chopper. grow up a little guys and give free speach the respect it deserves, as has been said before "I don't like what they say but I will die trying to protect thier freedon to say it". Natalie said her opinion, and being a texan she should have a better opinion then 80% of the rest of the USA since she was there when bush served as a governer... I would bet she has even had an audience with him. Her opinion is hers alone, she voices it in the american way of free speach where everyone can say thier peace and let it be. Far be it from me a CANADIAN to tell you americans about your constitution and the freedom of speach. All she said was she was embarresed by her president and that he was from texas.... I agree completely! As a matter of fact, I think 90% of everyone here agrees with you as well. Now, as long as they respect [b]MY[/b] freedom of speech/expresion by allowing me to tell others what I think of them and boycott them, I think that we can all get along... I think that it's asinine to say that they have the right to say that, but that [b]I[/b] don't have the right to tell others what I think of them and boycott them. That's not what you were saying, [b]was it?![/b] Let's say that you and a friend from work decide to get together and go to lunch. You think that this friend is a great guy, so you have decided that you will buy him lunch because of that. Now, this friend calls you up and says, "I CAN'T STAND YOU! I DISLIKE YOU AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU STAND FOR! I'M ASHAMED TO CALL YOU MY FRIEND!!!" Are you still going to take him to lunch? After all, he has freedom of speech, doesn't he? |
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Shania Twain may be a vegan,and anti gun but I will still buy her music! And WESTICLE I like your way of thinking,you are correct in your way of thinking as in the same round table that once existed here a point of order would be called! Your spirit is acknowledged and noted! Glad to know you! Bob [:D] |
| I think the Dixie Chicks as other famous star powered people should keep their opinions to themselves. None of them went to Yale or Harvard. I trust that our leaders try to make the right decisions based on their education and experience. It is alright to have an opinion, but the Dixie Chicks and the rest of the Hollywood assholes don't quite get the intel that our nations elected leader is offered. The best option these chicks have left is to do what every female washout does to further their career; Playboy. I will beat my meat in a patriotic fashion looking at their naked bodies while singing The Marine Corps Hymnn. While I question and form opinions about what our government does I am not afforded the education and experience that our leaders are. I also am a musician but that does not give me the right to be President. Janeane Gralofolo can kiss my ass too. |
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Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion. However, sometimes that opinion may piss people off and those pissed off people then have the right to voice their opinions by boycotting the fool with the big mouth. Free speech does not mean you don't have to suffer the consequences of what you say. Smart entertainers understand that they need us for their livelihood; we don't need them. Unfortunately, smart entertainers are scarce. Semper Fi |
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You know, I was a little irritated with their statements, but I have to laugh at myself. I think I am getting carried away. I like really heavy metal/industrial and it seems that when I find out something about the bands that I like, I find out that they are anarchist/devil worshipers/druggies etc...., so I don't watch their interviews or read what they say. I just enjoy the music. |
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There is no way they can be forgiven, they bashed the President of our Country, whom was elected by us the people. Sure I will agree President Kilton made bad decisions and signed bills he should not have. I bashed him in Sept. 1994 for his decision and not for whom he was. They were totally against the war and try to use their status of stars to influence the public to go against the efforts of the War. If you go against the President and the war, that is like going against our Country and the Troops fighting the war. Our Troops have a hard enough job without listening to that type of [bs]. How do you think they felt when things like the dixie ho's, moore, and the other stupid things made their comments and yes I am calling those anti-american's things. I know the people from Texas had to take it even harder with their statement. I am not from Texas and that statement set my ass on fire. Everyone on this board has their right to the opinion and choice, but my choice and opinion is not to forgive them nor will I support them ever again. I had all their CD's, but they met the File 13 department, I had even some homemade country cd's with various artists and the ho's were on it so they went File 13 as well. If they would have just said we are against the war then no big deal, but they did not so now they must lye in the bed they made. |
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They can apologize until hell freezes over, but I wouldn't cross the street to piss on their asses if their guts were on fire. They should emigrate to Iran. The only other musician who ever dishonored Texas in such an egregious way was Ozzy Osbourne, when he pissed on MY Alamo, that fat stupid f***. God bless President Bush, God bless America, and God bless TEXAS. |
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Quoted: You guys are so fu8king funny.... all through clintons terms in office the gun community did nothing but downplay him and disrespect him, hell you guys even applauded the marine guard that never saluted him on the way to the chopper. grow up a little guys and give free speach the respect it deserves, as has been said before "I don't like what they say but I will die trying to protect thier freedon to say it". Natalie said her opinion, and being a texan she should have a better opinion then 80% of the rest of the USA since she was there when bush served as a governer... I would bet she has even had an audience with him. Her opinion is hers alone, she voices it in the american way of free speach where everyone can say thier peace and let it be. Far be it from me a CANADIAN to tell you americans about your constitution and the freedom of speach. All she said was she was embarresed by her president and that he was from texas.... big whop dee do. you hippocrites been saying that about clinton forever. You are correct that she has the right to say any f$#king thing she wants. But since she is a public figure, she must reap the whirlwind that is the result of her opinion. Nobody has tried to quell her. We have just voiced our opinion in a way that will get her and her bandmates attention. Why is that so hard to comprehend? |
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Boycotting them is my right, it's a way of expressing concern and displeasure for unkind and unpatriotic remarks made about my president, someone whom I believe is trying hard to make the world a better place. She has questions, well isn't she special? Maybe the next time the DD draws up war plans it could make room for the bitches at the long table, after all their intelligence and war games people are some of the world's very best. Fxxk them and their supporters. |
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Ya know the worse part of what she said is that's it's not true..... as President Bush was born on July 6, 1946, in New Haven, Connecticut and while, like his father they both like folks to think their Texan, truth is their both yankees. Being gov of Texas don't make him a Texan in my book, just a yankee that was once gov of Texas and yea I voted for him for governor and for president, but like the old saying goes "ya can't choose your parents or where your born" and ya can't change either. For as I'm concerned, the Chicks can say any damn thing they like, it's no skin off my teeth, but to my mind, a Texan born and raised can say anything thing they want about a transplanted yankee, claiming Texas heritage. YMMV, and we all know what opinions are like, mine included. Mike |
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Quoted: I think you can relax on blaming clinton for n Korea and technically iraq..... if back in the 50's north korea was taken care of there would be no problem, instead alot of canadian and american men lost thier lives for a DMZ, Iraq today we can blame on Bush Senior or for that matter regan for giving him the weapons. The situation was taken care of as best as it could have been in the 50's. The war was a stalemate. Why? Because China discretely moved 250,000 troops into North Korea as they were being severly beaten. Had China not intervened it would have soon been over for the north. |
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"Those people" want to have free speech without consequences or criticism. It doesn't work that way. When you enter the public arena, whether on stage or in a forum like this board, you better be ready, willing, & able to defend your ideas and statements. When I first started visiting here I made a not-so-well thought out comment about a historical event and ETH promptly pounded me with the facts. I was wrong, it was shown to me, and I adjusted. I didn't make excuses or complain about being picked on. These celebrities are so used to being cheered and having their butts kissed that they panic when things don't go their way. |
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I've said this before...... Singers; sing. Actors; act. That's all I ask. Don't use your access to the media to promote your personal beliefs in politics, religon or sexual preferences. I personally don't give a shit what you think. If you do then I have a right to say what I want about your opinions and not buy your records or not go see your movies. |
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Post from Westicle - people everywhere and especially actors and musicians think that thier popularity makes them experts on every topic they discuss.... as we have seen in the past that is not the case, but to call them Unamerican because of thier statement is Funny because being american is freedom's that I as a canadian can not even begin to imagine. Well, with all due respect, we do not need lessons on 'How to Be An American' by some Canadian! Is Natalie under house arrest? Has she been charged with a crime? Is she in imminent danger of being arrested and tried for her 'crime'? Nope. She is being excoriated, demeaned, scoffed at, belittled, boycotted, panned, criticised, and generally ridiculed for making such an assinine statement on foreign soil! She has every right to knock President Bush, and no one is saying anything different. But she mispoke when she said 'We just want you to know that we are embarrassed that President Bush is from Texas!' She can say that she is embarrassed, but she cannot speak for the entire State of Texas. [b]Want to bet who's more popular in Texas right now - President Bush or the Dixie Chicks?[/b] And if she is saying that the 'We' just referred to the 'Dixie Chicks', she lied again, for in the interview it was clear that the other two had not been told the statement was going to be made. She's an idiot, and an unapologetic idiot at that! I didn't much think about the Dixie Chicks prior to Natalie's statement. I won't think much about them in the future. Welcome to America, [b]westicle[/b]! Eric The(WhereWeDoItRight)Hun[>]:)] |
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Let's boycott westicle. LOL seriously, she said something some people find offensive, ill timed, or just plain stupid. Based upon that they decide not to support that entertainer buy added to ther bank accounts. That's it. Yup, she has the right to say what she said. But also we have the right to choose what goods, services, and entertainment we spend our money on. Sadly, it had to be the good looking chick who has the big mouth. I thought her nadmates looked embarassed at a few points as she stuck her foot further into her mouth with her "defense" of her statement. I wonder what an American crowd would have done-booed or cheered? OK, I know what they would have done. Oh, and speaking as a Yankee, you can have the Bush family. And Klinton and Carter were both southerners[:E], and Johnson was a Texan, so y'all ain't got much to brag on, either.[;D] |
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The only reason why the chicks apologized is because it was hurting record sales. That's all. If they really felt differently, why did the chicks say it in the first place? This is not about free speech. They can say anything that they want but not how it was done. If I or you were to call for a press conference, the media would laugh in our face. But these celebrites/singers have a voice above us all and that deserves responsiblity. We all have equal voice but not equal audiences for delivery of statements. What they say in private and off stage is fine but using a public forum that none of us has access to is not right. |
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Here's the problem: Quoted: And I heard all the questions that she had about our venture into Iraq. But she didn't say, 'I am embarrassed that the Bush Administration has given such little thought to the possibilities of this war's outcome.' She didn't say, 'I feel embarrassed that the Plan for the invasion of Iraq shows such little chance of success.' She didn't even say, 'I can't support this war against the Iraqi people.' She simply said, 'We are just embarrassed that President Bush is from Texas.' I am angry that the level of intelligence we see coming from individuals that a LOT of people look up to is so unintelligent. It's almost as if it is okay to say something stupid. I don't know how common the knowledge is, or what most people's ideas are, regarding the military, military planning or the politics involved, but it seems like none of the people speaking out have any clue that somebody HAS thought of nearly all the problems involved. We didn't go into this not knowing what we were getting into. That was at least our third experience with desert warfare, our umpteenth time where we faced the possibility of city fighting, and our second time up against the Iraqis. Why did anybody think we were going in there without full knowledge of what the area held for us? |
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Explanation # 4,879...it's not about free speech. It's all about the timing and using common sense. In the time of war, you do not say things as a public figure that could undermine or harm the state of the nation or it's military. No, thats not a law, it's common sense. They don't get it...just like many others. When your countrymen are in harm's way, putting their lives on the line, does'nt it make sense to [b]NOT[/b] add to their anx? Maybe if you lose someone close to you during a war..you will understand the sensitivity and seriousness of war. Liberalism means you do not have tot ake responsibility for the things you say nor do you have to apologize for them. This is NOT what free speech is about. Now, if people do not want to hear the Dixie Chunkc music they have the right to let their "free" speech be heard also. Period. Let the chips fall where they may...by coming out nude and showing no remorse, just made it worse. My wife who had little or no opinion about them...is now livid at the pr campaign to exonerate themselves. The Cover photo sent her reeling with anger. This goes to show me, that I was'nt being overly biased in the first place. We all knew they ilresponsible liberal twits..they've just proved it. |
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Whats with the moral equivlancy speech between Clinton and Bush sheesh... The Blixy Chix took a stand..said what they felt and now sort of kind of back down as their popularity and record and ticket sales decline.. They sell a product like Mossehead beer or Yoplait Yogurt And the free citizens have a right to dislike them and their product and tell them why refuse to by and encourage others to do the same.. All these media and Whorlywood types get to learn that they opinons arent the icons they seem to think they are and that their efforts to shape culture carry a price...hitting them where their hearts really are...in their pocketbooks.. Thats captialism...do a tour of Red China if you dont like it....please.. Gunman you are correct... I remember being in vietnam during Woodstock And the guys were getting letters and new guys comin in from 'the world' will fill everyone in on 'the haps' It was dispiriting to learn of our peers hatred for us..and blaming us and rejecting us.. I believe it took the edge of many guys..when you loose heart you cant fight...and your survival and your buddie's survival is compromised.. To harm the morale of troops is wrong..and anti-American in spite of what that asshole Tim Robbins and his kind have said...it has great potential to harm troops |
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The dixie chicks craped in their bed now let them lay in it. They are nit wits that have no clue about the real world. I don't think I ever heard them say they were sorry to their fans for making such asses of theirselfs. The nude pictures was like giving everyone the finger. |