Posted: 11/25/2015 8:25:13 PM EDT
Local gun store today looking for toys, inquired about suppressors and pricing, but the big thing was the owner telling me to wait a couple of months because the rules were changing to where you would not need a tax stamp to buy. I was  , never heard that before.
Is he F.O.Sh... or is this in the works? Can't believe the gov would give up control of anything where money is involved. |
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To my knowledge, 41p has to do with CLEO sign offs for trusts, not doing away with the tax stamps Quoted:
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41p To my knowledge, 41p has to do with CLEO sign offs for trusts, not doing away with the tax stamps You're correct. For some reason I omitted the tax stamp part and focused on the changing rules part, which may be true. |
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Local gun store today looking for toys, inquired about suppressors and pricing, but the big thing was the owner telling me to wait a couple of months because the rules were changing to where you would not need a tax stamp to buy. I was , never heard that before.
Is he F.O.Sh... or is this in the works? Can't believe the gov would give up control of anything where money is involved. I'd say that your instincts are correct. As much as I'd like to see them sold over the counter, I'm not holding my breath. |
| Don't wait. Buy it now. I don't know what your dealer is talking about. Maybe some obscure bill that has no chance of passing? I do know that 41p is real and time really isn't your friend if you want to use a trust. Best case scenario nothing happens. Worst case scenario 41p is implemented and you need a CLEO sign off now. |
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He's talking about the hearing protection act. And it will never happen. But the can NOW. I've got a lot of shit pending at the moment because of the ever loomig 41P This. The sooner you buy the sooner the wait is over. And expect a major increase as 41p looms. |
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Yup, it's just a first step doubtful that will gain traction but it's a start towards sanity. Quoted:
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He was likely referring to this: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151022/nra-backs-hearing-protection-act Yup, it's just a first step doubtful that will gain traction but it's a start towards sanity. This. Buy now, hope that becomes law. Very doubtful with Obama or even a Republican president/congress. |
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Anybody got a link to this 41P Stuff??? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1536761_ATF_41P__NFA_CLEO_sign_off_for_Trusts__updated_10_5_15_HOUSE_VOTES_TO_BLOCK_41P.html |
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Yup, it's just a first step doubtful that will gain traction but it's a start towards sanity. Quoted:
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He was likely referring to this: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151022/nra-backs-hearing-protection-act Yup, it's just a first step doubtful that will gain traction but it's a start towards sanity. IMO supressors, sbr, sbs and aow should be over the counter with a 4473 and you walk out the same day. The Hughes amendment should be repealed and new MG added to the registry. But I don't think that is going to happen. The amount of NFA owners is pretty small and the liability for a politician is huge. this is the reason why you can't get CLEO sign off in many places. Imagine if the CLEO signs off and the person uses that weapon to commit a heinous crime. It would almost certainly create a firestorm for the CLEO. The bigger take away from this is that we have to fight EVERY SINGLE gun control expansion tooth and nail. Once they become law it's nearly impossible to rewind the tape. |
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IMO supressors, sbr, sbs and aow should be over the counter with a 4473 and you walk out the same day. The Hughes amendment should be repealed and new MG added to the registry. But I don't think that is going to happen. The amount of NFA owners is pretty small and the liability for a politician is huge. this is the reason why you can't get CLEO sign off in many places. Imagine if the CLEO signs off and the person uses that weapon to commit a heinous crime. It would almost certainly create a firestorm for the CLEO. The bigger take away from this is that we have to fight EVERY SINGLE gun control expansion tooth and nail. Once they become law it's nearly impossible to rewind the tape. Quoted:
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He was likely referring to this: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20151022/nra-backs-hearing-protection-act Yup, it's just a first step doubtful that will gain traction but it's a start towards sanity. IMO supressors, sbr, sbs and aow should be over the counter with a 4473 and you walk out the same day. The Hughes amendment should be repealed and new MG added to the registry. But I don't think that is going to happen. The amount of NFA owners is pretty small and the liability for a politician is huge. this is the reason why you can't get CLEO sign off in many places. Imagine if the CLEO signs off and the person uses that weapon to commit a heinous crime. It would almost certainly create a firestorm for the CLEO. The bigger take away from this is that we have to fight EVERY SINGLE gun control expansion tooth and nail. Once they become law it's nearly impossible to rewind the tape. Most of us agree. 9mm Glock? Over the counter. 16" Uzi 9mm? Over the counter. 10" 9mm Uzi? Many extra restrictions. I honestly think SBR legalization would be easy for moderates and those on the right. The hardcore anti gun people will obviously no support loosening any laws, but I think most people who are passive on gun control could get behind an effort to de-regulate SBRs.
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This has nothing to do with 41p, which would require signatures on all purchases. OPs she is referring to the hearing protection act, which would make suppressors OTC items. 41p probably won't happen, neither will the HPA. Proceed as usual. Quoted:
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41p This has nothing to do with 41p, which would require signatures on all purchases. OPs she is referring to the hearing protection act, which would make suppressors OTC items. 41p probably won't happen, neither will the HPA. Proceed as usual. I caught my mistake. 
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The Hearing Protection Act (to remove suppressors from the NFA) might have a chance if Ted Cruz is elected president. Short of that, don't hold your breath.
It was introduced just to get people talking about it. I'm surprised that an SOT dealer would be killing potential sales by mentioning this bill. Usually it's just the opposite. Dealers thrive by promoting panics, such as "buy now or lose your chance forever." Call me cynical. |
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Quoted: Just do it . . . . The value of $200, in 1937 money . . . TODAY is $3,354.45 . . . That $200 stamp is a bargain. It was 1934 and you could almost buy a house then for $200.00, although these were desperate people and desperate times My Grandfather bought houses during the depression for around that. |
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I don't think that is right. It was 1934 and you could almost buy a house then for $200.00, although these were desperate people and desperate times My Grandfather bought houses during the depression for around that. Quoted:
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Just do it . . . . The value of $200, in 1937 money . . . TODAY is $3,354.45 . . . That $200 stamp is a bargain. It was 1934 and you could almost buy a house then for $200.00, although these were desperate people and desperate times My Grandfather bought houses during the depression for around that. If you look around Birmingham, you can probably buy some houses for $200. But seriously, I would think that $200 back in 1934 would have violated the 8th Amendment to the Constitution. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution |
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If you look around Birmingham, you can probably buy some houses for $200. But seriously, I would think that $200 back in 1934 would have violated the 8th Amendment to the Constitution. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution Quoted:
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Just do it . . . . The value of $200, in 1937 money . . . TODAY is $3,354.45 . . . That $200 stamp is a bargain. It was 1934 and you could almost buy a house then for $200.00, although these were desperate people and desperate times My Grandfather bought houses during the depression for around that. If you look around Birmingham, you can probably buy some houses for $200. But seriously, I would think that $200 back in 1934 would have violated the 8th Amendment to the Constitution. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution Tax not fine? |
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Just do it . . . . The value of $200, in 1937 money . . . TODAY is $3,354.45 . . . That $200 stamp is a bargain. It was 1934 and you could almost buy a house then for $200.00, although these were desperate people and desperate times My Grandfather bought houses during the depression for around that. If you look around Birmingham, you can probably buy some houses for $200. But seriously, I would think that $200 back in 1934 would have violated the 8th Amendment to the Constitution. "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution Tax not fine? Lets consult John Roberts on this one. 
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Local gun store today looking for toys, inquired about suppressors and pricing, but the big thing was the owner telling me to wait a couple of months because the rules were changing to where you would not need a tax stamp to buy. I was , never heard that before.
Is he F.O.Sh... or is this in the works? Can't believe the gov would give up control of anything where money is involved. There are a couple bills in Congress to remove suppressor from the NFA list and treat them as long guns.... H.R. 3799 and S. 2236 HEARING PROTECTION ACT OF 2015 |
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There are a couple bills in Congress to remove suppressor from the NFA list and treat them as long guns.... H.R. 3799 and S. 2236 HEARING PROTECTION ACT OF 2015 Quoted:
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Local gun store today looking for toys, inquired about suppressors and pricing, but the big thing was the owner telling me to wait a couple of months because the rules were changing to where you would not need a tax stamp to buy. I was , never heard that before.
Is he F.O.Sh... or is this in the works? Can't believe the gov would give up control of anything where money is involved. There are a couple bills in Congress to remove suppressor from the NFA list and treat them as long guns.... H.R. 3799 and S. 2236 HEARING PROTECTION ACT OF 2015 Do I get a Refund?
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