[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Best NAS? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/23/2015 9:45:21 PM EDT
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Looking to buy a NAS for personal cloud storage. Want at least two bays so i can do RAID (2 drives simulatneous ). at least 2 TB drive.
How is this synology NAS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&ignorebbr=1 |
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Everything I've heard about Synology is that they are GTG. Any interest in building one yourself or just ready made options? How would one build? just buy 2 drives and pop it in? It'd be like putting together a low powered server or such. If all you want is a couple NAS bays, it's overkill though. |
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Everything I've heard about Synology is that they are GTG. Any interest in building one yourself or just ready made options? I use a 4-bay Synology NAS (can't remember the model, it's out in the office) and it has been trouble-free for over 2yrs now. It has 4-bays, but I only use two currently. I use it back up all the data for my ranching business. Works with my PC and Macs out there. |
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Looking to buy a NAS for personal cloud storage. Want at least two bays so i can do RAID (2 drives simulatneous ). at least 2 TB drive. How is this synology NAS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&ignorebbr=1 I have tried them all, QNAP, WD, etc. The best NAS for the money is the Asustor. Make sure that you narrow down what you want to do! There is a reason they have different hardware configurations. What I currently own: AS-202TE (memory can't be upgraded, has double the memory than the AS-202T AS5104T (maxed out with 8GB ram, running 16TB of storage) -This streams to multiple devices in the house- max. concurrent connections is 4. Have a 1GB "backbone" I regularly exceed 80-90MB/s with burst of up to 120MB/s with the AS5104T. Software is intuitive and easy to manage/configure. If you are going to use the device for storage and LIMITED streaming to one device the Synology will be fine. Again, I would recommend the AS-202TE instead. ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. |
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There are several good ones out there in both enterprise and consumer/prosumer spaces (Synology, Q, and others), but remember that none operate itunes well (at least in my experience). I've had good luck with as backups and running Plex though.
My favorite little one though are still my little wee Mac Minis. I am not a Mac fan, but these little pieces of cheap, outdated crap make great NAS/iTunes server systems. |
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I have tried them all, QNAP, WD, etc. The best NAS for the money is the Asustor. Make sure that you narrow down what you want to do! There is a reason they have different hardware configurations. What I currently own: AS-202TE (memory can't be upgraded, has double the memory than the AS-202T AS5104T (maxed out with 8GB ram, running 16TB of storage) -This streams to multiple devices in the house- max. concurrent connections is 4. Have a 1GB "backbone" I regularly exceed 80-90MB/s with burst of up to 120MB/s with the AS5104T. Software is intuitive and easy to manage/configure. If you are going to use the device for storage and LIMITED streaming to one device the Synology will be fine. Again, I would recommend the AS-202TE instead. ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. Quoted:
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Looking to buy a NAS for personal cloud storage. Want at least two bays so i can do RAID (2 drives simulatneous ). at least 2 TB drive. How is this synology NAS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&ignorebbr=1 I have tried them all, QNAP, WD, etc. The best NAS for the money is the Asustor. Make sure that you narrow down what you want to do! There is a reason they have different hardware configurations. What I currently own: AS-202TE (memory can't be upgraded, has double the memory than the AS-202T AS5104T (maxed out with 8GB ram, running 16TB of storage) -This streams to multiple devices in the house- max. concurrent connections is 4. Have a 1GB "backbone" I regularly exceed 80-90MB/s with burst of up to 120MB/s with the AS5104T. Software is intuitive and easy to manage/configure. If you are going to use the device for storage and LIMITED streaming to one device the Synology will be fine. Again, I would recommend the AS-202TE instead. ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. I may want to stream 1080p. maybe stream 4k i nthe future when TVs drop, and more 4K media is out. Could i backup my NAS by attaching a external drive to its USB3.0, and just copy over the data once a week? Is that the way to backup a NAS? |
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Everything I've heard about Synology is that they are GTG. Any interest in building one yourself or just ready made options? How would one build? just buy 2 drives and pop it in? It'd be like putting together a low powered server or such. If all you want is a couple NAS bays, it's overkill though. what components do you need for building a nas? and how much ? |
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Everything I've heard about Synology is that they are GTG. Any interest in building one yourself or just ready made options? How would one build? just buy 2 drives and pop it in? It'd be like putting together a low powered server or such. If all you want is a couple NAS bays, it's overkill though. what components do you need for building a nas? and how much ? Unless you REALLY know what you are doing, I don't recommend it. Most of the hardware will be overkill and while open source NAS software is available it is NOT intuitive OR user friendly! |
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I may want to stream 1080p. maybe stream 4k i nthe future when TVs drop, and more 4K media is out. Could i backup my NAS by attaching a external drive to its USB3.0, and just copy over the data once a week? Is that the way to backup a NAS? Quoted:
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Looking to buy a NAS for personal cloud storage. Want at least two bays so i can do RAID (2 drives simulatneous ). at least 2 TB drive. How is this synology NAS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&ignorebbr=1 I have tried them all, QNAP, WD, etc. The best NAS for the money is the Asustor. Make sure that you narrow down what you want to do! There is a reason they have different hardware configurations. What I currently own: AS-202TE (memory can't be upgraded, has double the memory than the AS-202T AS5104T (maxed out with 8GB ram, running 16TB of storage) -This streams to multiple devices in the house- max. concurrent connections is 4. Have a 1GB "backbone" I regularly exceed 80-90MB/s with burst of up to 120MB/s with the AS5104T. Software is intuitive and easy to manage/configure. If you are going to use the device for storage and LIMITED streaming to one device the Synology will be fine. Again, I would recommend the AS-202TE instead. ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. I may want to stream 1080p. maybe stream 4k i nthe future when TVs drop, and more 4K media is out. Could i backup my NAS by attaching a external drive to its USB3.0, and just copy over the data once a week? Is that the way to backup a NAS? I would not worry about 4K too much at the moment. Think of it this way, you might "future proof" technology today that might be obsolete tomorrow. Concentrate on what you need to do NOW! The Asustor has at least ONE USB 3.0 drive port. You can connect an external drive and configure it THREE separate ways. 1- Backup drive always connected -schedule backups as you see fit-. 2. Connect backup drive to USB 3.0 and it will automatically start a backup based on predetermined parameters that you have previously configured -disconnect backup drive once backup completes -status via different colored lights and/or display output based on which NAS model you select 3. Connect drive and click on the "backup" button on the front of the NAS. |
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I would not worry about 4K too much at the moment. Think of it this way, you might "future proof" technology today that might be obsolete tomorrow. Concentrate on what you need to do NOW! The Asustor has at least ONE USB 3.0 drive port. You can connect an external drive and configure it THREE separate ways. 1- Backup drive always connected -schedule backups as you see fit-. 2. Connect backup drive to USB 3.0 and it will automatically start a backup based on predetermined parameters that you have previously configured -disconnect backup drive once backup completes -status via different colored lights and/or display output based on which NAS model you select 3. Connect drive and click on the "backup" button on the front of the NAS. Quoted:
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Looking to buy a NAS for personal cloud storage. Want at least two bays so i can do RAID (2 drives simulatneous ). at least 2 TB drive. How is this synology NAS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&ignorebbr=1 I have tried them all, QNAP, WD, etc. The best NAS for the money is the Asustor. Make sure that you narrow down what you want to do! There is a reason they have different hardware configurations. What I currently own: AS-202TE (memory can't be upgraded, has double the memory than the AS-202T AS5104T (maxed out with 8GB ram, running 16TB of storage) -This streams to multiple devices in the house- max. concurrent connections is 4. Have a 1GB "backbone" I regularly exceed 80-90MB/s with burst of up to 120MB/s with the AS5104T. Software is intuitive and easy to manage/configure. If you are going to use the device for storage and LIMITED streaming to one device the Synology will be fine. Again, I would recommend the AS-202TE instead. ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. I may want to stream 1080p. maybe stream 4k i nthe future when TVs drop, and more 4K media is out. Could i backup my NAS by attaching a external drive to its USB3.0, and just copy over the data once a week? Is that the way to backup a NAS? I would not worry about 4K too much at the moment. Think of it this way, you might "future proof" technology today that might be obsolete tomorrow. Concentrate on what you need to do NOW! The Asustor has at least ONE USB 3.0 drive port. You can connect an external drive and configure it THREE separate ways. 1- Backup drive always connected -schedule backups as you see fit-. 2. Connect backup drive to USB 3.0 and it will automatically start a backup based on predetermined parameters that you have previously configured -disconnect backup drive once backup completes -status via different colored lights and/or display output based on which NAS model you select 3. Connect drive and click on the "backup" button on the front of the NAS. wuts the difference between the 202T and 202TE? theres also the as5002T, As1002T, AS302T, as5102T, as6102T, as6202T. all 2bays. should i get any of these over the 202T or 202TE? |
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Built my own FreeNAS box:
Dell Poweredge T20 Extra 4GB memory 4x4GB WD Red drives in a raidz2 It works pretty well, but could probably use more RAM. 8GB is the minimum recommended for freeNAS. I picked the cheaper G3220 vs a Xeon. Seems fast enough for what I do with it for now. If I need more horsepower down the road, I'll get the Xeon and make this one into a backup server. |
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You can also try the software
Synology: https://www.synology.com/en-us/dsm/5.2/main QNAP: https://www.qnap.com/i/useng/support/con_show.php?cid=8 ASUSTOR: http://www.asustor.com/live_demo NAS Selector: Asustor: http://www.asustor.com/service/nas_selector QNAP: https://www.qnap.com/i/en/product_x_selector/index.php Synology:https://www.synology.com/en-us/support/nas_selector |
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Quoted: Looking to buy a NAS for personal cloud storage. Want at least two bays so i can do RAID (2 drives simulatneous ). at least 2 TB drive. How is this synology NAS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&ignorebbr=1 I've been running a FreeNAS system for years. The downside: you have to build it yourself. The upside: It's whatever RAID version you can afford to build. It's currently running in RAIDz2 with 6 2TB drives for ~5 years. It's replacement will run NAS4Free on 8x 2TB drives in RAID10, with the original unit relegated to backup duty. If you aren't really computer savvy, or don't want to spend the time tinkering with a 'perfect' NAS build, buy a synology and call it a day. m |
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I may want to stream 1080p. maybe stream 4k i nthe future when TVs drop, and more 4K media is out. Could i backup my NAS by attaching a external drive to its USB3.0, and just copy over the data once a week? Is that the way to backup a NAS? Quoted:
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Looking to buy a NAS for personal cloud storage. Want at least two bays so i can do RAID (2 drives simulatneous ). at least 2 TB drive. How is this synology NAS? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&ignorebbr=1 I have tried them all, QNAP, WD, etc. The best NAS for the money is the Asustor. Make sure that you narrow down what you want to do! There is a reason they have different hardware configurations. What I currently own: AS-202TE (memory can't be upgraded, has double the memory than the AS-202T AS5104T (maxed out with 8GB ram, running 16TB of storage) -This streams to multiple devices in the house- max. concurrent connections is 4. Have a 1GB "backbone" I regularly exceed 80-90MB/s with burst of up to 120MB/s with the AS5104T. Software is intuitive and easy to manage/configure. If you are going to use the device for storage and LIMITED streaming to one device the Synology will be fine. Again, I would recommend the AS-202TE instead. ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. I may want to stream 1080p. maybe stream 4k i nthe future when TVs drop, and more 4K media is out. Could i backup my NAS by attaching a external drive to its USB3.0, and just copy over the data once a week? Is that the way to backup a NAS? Depends on what you are backing up. Screeners and cams you ripped, sure. Home videos of kids or stuff that can't be reproduced, connect your device to AWS glacier (slight pain in the balls) or use a service like crash plan or whatever to backup your data OFFSITE. People get fucked with house fires, hardware failure, or whatever without offsite data. Streaming compressed .264 video over wireless is tolerable, the tv's are smart enough to buffer now (i have an LG4k) but wired will give you a better experience for data you download and play back local from a dlna server. That said for amazon or netflix i can't tell the difference on good wireless gear, for large dense media i can. Its realistic to stream from but not edit on these machines. I've used buffalo, netgear, qnap (nice boxes) and synology (along with NetApp FAS, and PURE FA storage) and they all get the job done if you match them up correctly. The consumer nas market is pretty good now. Pro tip, don't just use 2 drives mirrored, use 3 minimum for data you create (again for backups or ripped media who cares). Minimum 2 mirrored and a global spare. That way WHEN one fails you have a hot spare standing by. Nothing like having the second drive go tits up while its trying to rebuild the array. This scales into larger raid configs as well. Sacrifice mass for redundancy when the data counts. |
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ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. Can you help me understand this? Why wouldn't a NAS be for data backup? Isn't a 4 drive RAID10 likely to have less of a chance of being corrupted vs. a single drive utilized as a backup? So I need to back up my back up? How about that back up? Double or triple redundancy? My setup is a Buffalo Link Station Quad, but I've now got issues with it after 3 years. It won't power on. I noticed it has been shutting itself down randomly over the last 2 months. I'm hoping its just a bad motivator that I can replace with a new one, but I haven't dug into yet. The main purpose of the NAS is to backup the wife's laptop (small business owner.) |
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Can you help me understand this? Why wouldn't a NAS be for data backup? Isn't a 4 drive RAID10 likely to have less of a chance of being corrupted vs. a single drive utilized as a backup? So I need to back up my back up? How about that back up? Double or triple redundancy? My setup is a Buffalo Link Station Quad, but I've now got issues with it after 3 years. It won't power on. I noticed it has been shutting itself down randomly over the last 2 months. I'm hoping its just a bad motivator that I can replace with a new one, but I haven't dug into yet. The main purpose of the NAS is to backup the wife's laptop (small business owner.) Quoted:
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ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. Can you help me understand this? Why wouldn't a NAS be for data backup? Isn't a 4 drive RAID10 likely to have less of a chance of being corrupted vs. a single drive utilized as a backup? So I need to back up my back up? How about that back up? Double or triple redundancy? My setup is a Buffalo Link Station Quad, but I've now got issues with it after 3 years. It won't power on. I noticed it has been shutting itself down randomly over the last 2 months. I'm hoping its just a bad motivator that I can replace with a new one, but I haven't dug into yet. The main purpose of the NAS is to backup the wife's laptop (small business owner.) I think he means, don't rely on raid to preserve your data. Raid is not a backup, nor is it a substitute for backups. That's how I'm using mine primarily for now, as a backup/archive server. I have Time Machine backups (copy 1), clone my drives daily (copy 2), rsync them to the NAS daily (copy 3), and use Backblaze (copy 4). Yes, I am very paranoid about backups. Hard experience has made me so. |
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Can you help me understand this? Why wouldn't a NAS be for data backup? Isn't a 4 drive RAID10 likely to have less of a chance of being corrupted vs. a single drive utilized as a backup? So I need to back up my back up? How about that back up? Double or triple redundancy? My setup is a Buffalo Link Station Quad, but I've now got issues with it after 3 years. It won't power on. I noticed it has been shutting itself down randomly over the last 2 months. I'm hoping its just a bad motivator that I can replace with a new one, but I haven't dug into yet. The main purpose of the NAS is to backup the wife's laptop (small business owner.) Quoted:
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ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. Can you help me understand this? Why wouldn't a NAS be for data backup? Isn't a 4 drive RAID10 likely to have less of a chance of being corrupted vs. a single drive utilized as a backup? So I need to back up my back up? How about that back up? Double or triple redundancy? My setup is a Buffalo Link Station Quad, but I've now got issues with it after 3 years. It won't power on. I noticed it has been shutting itself down randomly over the last 2 months. I'm hoping its just a bad motivator that I can replace with a new one, but I haven't dug into yet. The main purpose of the NAS is to backup the wife's laptop (small business owner.) I think the point is the a NAS could be susceptible to the same environmental failure(fire or flood) that your computer would be. Now throw it in your fire safe or buy two and store one at a friend's and have them mirror each other with a dedicated vpn between the two and now you have a backup plan. Or just use crash plan or something similar for off site. |
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I think he means, don't rely on raid to preserve your data. Raid is not a backup, nor is it a substitute for backups. That's how I'm using mine primarily for now, as a backup/archive server. I have Time Machine backups (copy 1), clone my drives daily (copy 2), rsync them to the NAS daily (copy 3), and use Backblaze (copy 4). Yes, I am very paranoid about backups. Hard experience has made me so. Quoted:
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ETA: Your NAS is for DATA STORAGE! NOT FOR DATA BACKUP. If the array becomes damaged, it is possible that the NAS will work but ALL your data will become corrupted. ALWAYS utilize a backup drive for regular/scheduled NAS backups. Can you help me understand this? Why wouldn't a NAS be for data backup? Isn't a 4 drive RAID10 likely to have less of a chance of being corrupted vs. a single drive utilized as a backup? So I need to back up my back up? How about that back up? Double or triple redundancy? My setup is a Buffalo Link Station Quad, but I've now got issues with it after 3 years. It won't power on. I noticed it has been shutting itself down randomly over the last 2 months. I'm hoping its just a bad motivator that I can replace with a new one, but I haven't dug into yet. The main purpose of the NAS is to backup the wife's laptop (small business owner.) I think he means, don't rely on raid to preserve your data. Raid is not a backup, nor is it a substitute for backups. That's how I'm using mine primarily for now, as a backup/archive server. I have Time Machine backups (copy 1), clone my drives daily (copy 2), rsync them to the NAS daily (copy 3), and use Backblaze (copy 4). Yes, I am very paranoid about backups. Hard experience has made me so. This right here. I have seen million plus dollar arrays of hundreds of spindles fail 3 commercial drives in the same raid group at the same time. Drive mfgr or firmware issue, its been a few years but none the less the entire 30T of replication target was offline while it rebuilt from a million to one failure. Odds are like winning the reverse lottery for that to happen. Shit happens. Bottom line is a NAS makes a fine backup target, but if you store primary data on it you can't easy recreate (ie re-download your porno) back it up offsite. We forget how much of our lives are now file based. There is a thread where a member lost his child and was retrieving his memories from a phone. That data is priceless. Back up your stuff folks. Photos and videos should be on a cloud service as well. If you house burns or lightning fires your gear your files will live on. /preachin' |
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Best NAS? Personally I'm a fan of NetApp.
I don't think Netapp has quite cornered the home NAS market just yet. I've got a FAS270 and 2040 I run in the basement when its cold, instead of space heaters. Power requirement is a bit much to justify daily operation. Can snapmirror encrypted data over vpn to other storage arrays across the country for "testing". Its fun playing with the stuff but a rack of lab gear can start pulling real amp loads, the kind the wife WTF's over and surprised old mr fed hasn't come lookin for the reefer over. |
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Best NAS? Personally I'm a fan of NetApp.
I don't think Netapp has quite cornered the home NAS market just yet. This is why you don't use generous terms like "BEST" to describe something you want. 
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Best NAS? Personally I'm a fan of NetApp. I'm more of an EMC XtremIO fan. Do you still have to vacate the array to "expand" it? Only EMC could get away with that. I think PURE makes a nice simple machine, I turned ours over to the college intern to manage. He's doing a bangup job. Would be a nice to stream from fa450 to 16Gbps brocade to a pimped out media server (mac pro or big ass multi core machine) / editing host to a 4K tv. On the power savings alone you could justify the spend, over like 80 years. |
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There is a thread where a member lost his child and was retrieving his memories from a phone. That data is priceless. Back up your stuff folks. Photos and videos should be on a cloud service as well. If you house burns or lightning fires your gear your files will live on. /preachin' Funny you should mention such a thing. My own hard experience involved accidentally starting a reformat on my (SINGLE) drive holding home movies of my kids. I realized it immediately, stopped the format, and was able to recover most of it. It doesn't even require catastrophic hardware failure. All it takes is one simple, stupid mistake like clicking the wrong hard drive icon. Keep multiple copies of irreplaceable stuff, both local and offsite. Backups are a "One is None, Two is One, Three is even better" situation. I've sunk far more money into backup drives and hardware than my actual computer. It's the cheapest insurance you will ever purchase. Preachin' indeed. Choir leader here. |
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Unless you REALLY know what you are doing, I don't recommend it. Most of the hardware will be overkill and while open source NAS software is available it is NOT intuitive OR user friendly! Not really, you're talking about building a modest PC but making sure to choose a case with plenty of drive bays and a RAID capable motherboard with a decent number of SATA ports. Nothing complicated about that. As for NAS software - Windows Server and Linux both have all the functionality you need. |