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11/21/2015 12:00:59 AM EDT
It's been said that cross drilled rotors are bad to run on the street, but why is it that companies like Mercedes Benz and Porsche run them on the majority of cars sold?

Are slotted rotors better than cross drilled? Are either better than just regular rotors?
11/21/2015 12:04:10 AM EDT
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If I had a Porsche why would I be running?
11/21/2015 12:05:55 AM EDT
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Most cross drilled rotors out there are just some cheapo depot rotor purchased in bulk and drilled.



This weakens them and subjects them to cracking.




Properly designed drilled and slotted rotors don't have any issues.
11/21/2015 12:06:18 AM EDT
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Cryo treated slotted and drilled. Thats what you want.
And not that ebay crap either.
11/21/2015 12:06:52 AM EDT
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I've never heard that they weren't good for street use. There are some brake rotor/pad materials that need heat to work properly that wouldn't be good on a street car, but drilled or slotted steel rotors aren't those.
11/21/2015 12:07:29 AM EDT
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Most cross drilled rotors out there are just some cheapo depot rotor purchased in bulk and drilled.

This weakens them and subjects them to cracking.


Properly designed drilled and slotted rotors don't have any issues.
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11/21/2015 12:08:54 AM EDT
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Iirc slotted are now preferred in performance, and you can get slotted and drilled too.   Although for most cars on the street regular brakes work great.
11/21/2015 12:11:16 AM EDT
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Drilled and slotted increases surface area to promote cooling. It does so at the detriment of stopping area. If you are not getting any "brake fade" due to over heating brakes, then there is no reason to go drilled and slotted. Most, if not all, street cars have no issues with brake fade so no need for drilled and slotted.
11/21/2015 12:12:29 AM EDT
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I used drilled rotors on my little V6 stang that had the worst brake fade ever.  Never had fade issues again.
11/21/2015 12:18:05 AM EDT
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Drilled rotors do have more surface area, but they also have less mass, which lowers the overall heat capacity. Drilled rotors are aesthetically pleasing, that's why companies include them on sports cars.

I've been using them for about 10 years and have never had any cracks or other issues.

11/21/2015 12:19:59 AM EDT
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Cross drilled  for street use are an over kill......for a street car that's tracked the could serve a purpose......stay away from cheap non-name brand cross drilled rotors....I have seen them have catastrophic failure more than once...when used for road racing .
11/21/2015 12:37:11 AM EDT
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Dont the holes actually decrease surface area?

AFAIK those holes are for getting gas out from between pads and rotors that really doesnt happen anymore with modern materials.  

Any advantages and disadvantage won't really manifest in street driving IMO.  I doubt these do anything an equivalent blank rotor would not do on a street car.

11/21/2015 12:40:53 AM EDT
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Dont the holes actually decrease surface area?

AFAIK those holes are for getting gas out from between pads and rotors that really doesnt happen anymore with modern materials.  

Any advantages and disadvantage won't really manifest in street driving IMO.  I doubt these do anything an equivalent blank rotor would not do on a street car.

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Contact area is decreased. Surface area is increased, much like fluting on a rifle barrel, which aids in cooling.
11/21/2015 12:42:23 AM EDT
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Contact area is decreased. Surface area is increased, much like fluting on a rifle barrel, which aids in cooling.
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Dont the holes actually decrease surface area?



AFAIK those holes are for getting gas out from between pads and rotors that really doesnt happen anymore with modern materials.



Any advantages and disadvantage won't really manifest in street driving IMO. I doubt these do anything an equivalent blank rotor would not do on a street car.







Contact area is decreased. Surface area is increased, much like fluting on a rifle barrel, which aids in cooling.


It's probably just as useless as well...
11/21/2015 12:48:27 AM EDT
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Dont the holes actually decrease surface area?

AFAIK those holes are for getting gas out from between pads and rotors that really doesnt happen anymore with modern materials.  

Any advantages and disadvantage won't really manifest in street driving IMO.  I doubt these do anything an equivalent blank rotor would not do on a street car.
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No, the surface area is increased by the circumference of the holes x the thickness of the rotor - the diameter of the hole. What is decreased is the heat capacity of the rotor since it has less mass.

Modern pads don't off gas as much but they do transfer heat to the caliper and then the brake fluid. This will also cause brake fade when fluid boils, usually around 300-500 degree F depending on your fluid type and how often you change it. This is why performance cars will also have slots on the back of the caliper like in my picture above.
11/21/2015 12:49:17 AM EDT
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We send all of our rotors and pads here    www.cryosciencetechnologies.com
11/21/2015 12:50:24 AM EDT
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It's been said that cross drilled rotors are bad to run on the street, but why is it that companies like Mercedes Benz and Porsche run them on the majority of cars sold?



Are slotted rotors better than cross drilled? Are either better than just regular rotors?
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exactly why I went drilled when I did a brake upgrade on my Audi. 345mm zimmerman drilled front rotors. Stoptechs on the rear as zimmerman doesnt make a drilled rear in OEM size. IF its good enough for almost every high end manufacture its good enough for little olde me. Just stick with quality brand name rotors and you should be fine.



 
11/21/2015 12:55:13 AM EDT
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I've got factory OE drilled on one vehicle, and OE solid rotors on another vehicle.  Honestly, the best performing is the always the one I've had the most recent brake system flush done on.  (yes, I pay the stealership to do the BG flush - I just don't have the time to mess with it myself)
11/21/2015 12:55:43 AM EDT
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I have only ever used cross drilled rotors on my grand cherokee srt8...... Never had an issue with any of them, from cheap to expensive.
11/21/2015 1:44:30 AM EDT
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Thanks to all who explained surface area, I get it now.



11/21/2015 1:46:41 AM EDT
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Wonder how many people would still buy them if they couldn't be seen?
11/21/2015 3:45:32 AM EDT
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Who would buy new wheels if they couldn't be seen?
11/21/2015 12:31:37 PM EDT
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What the hell are people doing driving on the street in a manner that overloads the stock brakes?!?!

When I had my C3500 dually, I had to replace the front rotors.  Each one was a huge chunk of steel, easily 60lb.  I challenge you to find a higher performance street vehicle brake system than a truck with a 10,000lb GVWR and a rated towing capacity of 13,5000lb.  Sports cars are cute little toys with the payload capacity of my daughter's backpack and are designed to be light.  The biggest problems are the lightweight components warping or cracking from the heat.  Race cars have CONSUMABLES that are almost lifetime items on a street car.  I went through a set of pads about every third weekend and a set of rotors every year on the road race bike.  I think I have only ever put ONE set of rotors and pads on each car I've owned, and the highest mileage car for me was the 230,000 miles I put on my 300sd.  The C3500 got 60,000 miles before I sold it.  My current ride is 50,000 miles into the brakes I put on it when I got the car.  It gets daily and sometimes max payload use (99 Mercedes e320 wagon).  I don't baby my vehicles.  

So let's all be clear.  Drilled/slotted rotors are there to look cool, or make up for some really unsafe (street) driving habits.
11/21/2015 6:54:45 PM EDT
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What the hell are people doing driving on the street in a manner that overloads the stock brakes?!?!



When I had my C3500 dually, I had to replace the front rotors.  Each one was a huge chunk of steel, easily 60lb.  I challenge you to find a higher performance street vehicle brake system than a truck with a 10,000lb GVWR and a rated towing capacity of 13,5000lb.  Sports cars are cute little toys with the payload capacity of my daughter's backpack and are designed to be light.  The biggest problems are the lightweight components warping or cracking from the heat.  Race cars have CONSUMABLES that are almost lifetime items on a street car.  I went through a set of pads about every third weekend and a set of rotors every year on the road race bike.  I think I have only ever put ONE set of rotors and pads on each car I've owned, and the highest mileage car for me was the 230,000 miles I put on my 300sd.  The C3500 got 60,000 miles before I sold it.  My current ride is 50,000 miles into the brakes I put on it when I got the car.  It gets daily and sometimes max payload use (99 Mercedes e320 wagon).  I don't baby my vehicles.  



So let's all be clear.  Drilled/slotted rotors are there to look cool, or make up for some really unsafe (street) driving habits.
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This is probably one of the derpiest threads I've ever read about cars.