[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Is ISIS a Monster Of Our Making? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/15/2015 10:19:15 PM EDT
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS...
Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. |
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If we want to talk about Wahabs from Saudi Arabia influencing Islamic Extremism - sure
If we want to talk about Gulf money funding these guys - sure If we're talking about "The US caused ISIS and it's all our fault" - not exactly, no.... the belief system was already there long before we were |
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS came about fighting the US occupation in Iraq, they are a merger of Al Qaeda in Iraq and a few other Islamist insurgent groups who spread outside Iraq, thus needing a name change. Only in that sense are we responsible. We have never directly, or even indirectly, supported ISIS. The closest we came was supporting some Islamist non-ISIS factions in the Syrian Civil War, helping them get TOW missiles and such, to fight Assad. We are also trying to use those same groups, along with others, like the Kurds, to fight ISIS. Turkey uses ISIS to hurt its enemies, which include the Kurds, and Assad's loyalists, who Turkey has never gotten along with. Qatar and Saudi Arabia support ISIS because both of those countries are dominated by a super wealthy royal family which contains extremely conservative Islamic members who have no qualms supporting ultra violent terrorists because 1. it weakens Iran and its allies (the traditional enemy of Qatar and KSA), 2. It allows them to promote Salafist islam (aka Wahhabism) and the expansion of a global caliphate governed by extreme interpretation of Sharia Law. In addition, both KSA and Qatar have a long, decades long, tradition of supporting pro-Sunni Islamic insurgencies and terrorist groups. Supporting ISIS is nothing new, its par for the course. I wouldn't discount the money aspect, though its way more complicated/complex than most people would consider. Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar would lose oil revenue should a trans Iranian-Iraq-Syria pipeline be built. But there were many such pipeline projects involving Syria, including one that could have possibly run from Qatar to the Syrian coast. By the time of the Civil War, that plan was never squashed by Assad. So there is nothing beyond speculation about the economic reasons that Turkey, Qatar, and KSA have supported anti-Assad forces, including ISIS. |
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Partially, I guess. We sure as shit should not have called for the ouster of Bashar Assad. That dude is a million times better than the alternative. But he stands in the way of the globalist elite and their plans for a NWO, so he must be made out to be a "bad man" and has to go. |
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That's a dumbass thing to believe. Is it? Explain. Because Assad invited the cocksuckers into his country and had no problem with AQI/IS as long as they were fucking with Americans. After they got completely pushed out of Iraq they started focusing on Assad. Abu Kamal raid Assad facilitated the fuckers. I hope they end up Gaddafiing him on LiveLeak. |
| Should never have made the mistake of thinking we could turn any of them into a free society as we know it. Saddam, Gaddafi, and Assad should not be or have been ousted. They kept shit under control. Now we know what out of control looks like. A'stan? Exterminate the bad guys. Shouldn't have wasted time and treasure trying to turn it into a mainstreet USA clone. Not happening. |
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ISIS came about fighting the US occupation in Iraq, they are a merger of Al Qaeda in Iraq and a few other Islamist insurgent groups who spread outside Iraq, thus needing a name change. Only in that sense are we responsible. We have never directly, or even indirectly, supported ISIS. The closest we came was supporting some Islamist non-ISIS factions in the Syrian Civil War, helping them get TOW missiles and such, to fight Assad. We are also trying to use those same groups, along with others, like the Kurds, to fight ISIS. Turkey uses ISIS to hurt its enemies, which include the Kurds, and Assad's loyalists, who Turkey has never gotten along with. Qatar and Saudi Arabia support ISIS because both of those countries are dominated by a super wealthy royal family which contains extremely conservative Islamic members who have no qualms supporting ultra violent terrorists because 1. it weakens Iran and its allies (the traditional enemy of Qatar and KSA), 2. It allows them to promote Salafist islam (aka Wahhabism) and the expansion of a global caliphate governed by extreme interpretation of Sharia Law. In addition, both KSA and Qatar have a long, decades long, tradition of supporting pro-Sunni Islamic insurgencies and terrorist groups. Supporting ISIS is nothing new, its par for the course. I wouldn't discount the money aspect, though its way more complicated/complex than most people would consider. Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar would lose oil revenue should a trans Iranian-Iraq-Syria pipeline be built. But there were many such pipeline projects involving Syria, including one that could have possibly run from Qatar to the Syrian coast. By the time of the Civil War, that plan was never squashed by Assad. So there is nothing beyond speculation about the economic reasons that Turkey, Qatar, and KSA have supported anti-Assad forces, including ISIS. Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS came about fighting the US occupation in Iraq, they are a merger of Al Qaeda in Iraq and a few other Islamist insurgent groups who spread outside Iraq, thus needing a name change. Only in that sense are we responsible. We have never directly, or even indirectly, supported ISIS. The closest we came was supporting some Islamist non-ISIS factions in the Syrian Civil War, helping them get TOW missiles and such, to fight Assad. We are also trying to use those same groups, along with others, like the Kurds, to fight ISIS. Turkey uses ISIS to hurt its enemies, which include the Kurds, and Assad's loyalists, who Turkey has never gotten along with. Qatar and Saudi Arabia support ISIS because both of those countries are dominated by a super wealthy royal family which contains extremely conservative Islamic members who have no qualms supporting ultra violent terrorists because 1. it weakens Iran and its allies (the traditional enemy of Qatar and KSA), 2. It allows them to promote Salafist islam (aka Wahhabism) and the expansion of a global caliphate governed by extreme interpretation of Sharia Law. In addition, both KSA and Qatar have a long, decades long, tradition of supporting pro-Sunni Islamic insurgencies and terrorist groups. Supporting ISIS is nothing new, its par for the course. I wouldn't discount the money aspect, though its way more complicated/complex than most people would consider. Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar would lose oil revenue should a trans Iranian-Iraq-Syria pipeline be built. But there were many such pipeline projects involving Syria, including one that could have possibly run from Qatar to the Syrian coast. By the time of the Civil War, that plan was never squashed by Assad. So there is nothing beyond speculation about the economic reasons that Turkey, Qatar, and KSA have supported anti-Assad forces, including ISIS. The predecessor of Daesh was already in Iraq when we attacked. Zarqawi's group, Monotheism and Jihad or whatever. |
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. |
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The predecessor of Daesh was already in Iraq when we attacked. Zarqawi's group, Monotheism and Jihad or whatever. Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS came about fighting the US occupation in Iraq, they are a merger of Al Qaeda in Iraq and a few other Islamist insurgent groups who spread outside Iraq, thus needing a name change. Only in that sense are we responsible. We have never directly, or even indirectly, supported ISIS. The closest we came was supporting some Islamist non-ISIS factions in the Syrian Civil War, helping them get TOW missiles and such, to fight Assad. We are also trying to use those same groups, along with others, like the Kurds, to fight ISIS. Turkey uses ISIS to hurt its enemies, which include the Kurds, and Assad's loyalists, who Turkey has never gotten along with. Qatar and Saudi Arabia support ISIS because both of those countries are dominated by a super wealthy royal family which contains extremely conservative Islamic members who have no qualms supporting ultra violent terrorists because 1. it weakens Iran and its allies (the traditional enemy of Qatar and KSA), 2. It allows them to promote Salafist islam (aka Wahhabism) and the expansion of a global caliphate governed by extreme interpretation of Sharia Law. In addition, both KSA and Qatar have a long, decades long, tradition of supporting pro-Sunni Islamic insurgencies and terrorist groups. Supporting ISIS is nothing new, its par for the course. I wouldn't discount the money aspect, though its way more complicated/complex than most people would consider. Both Saudi Arabia and Qatar would lose oil revenue should a trans Iranian-Iraq-Syria pipeline be built. But there were many such pipeline projects involving Syria, including one that could have possibly run from Qatar to the Syrian coast. By the time of the Civil War, that plan was never squashed by Assad. So there is nothing beyond speculation about the economic reasons that Turkey, Qatar, and KSA have supported anti-Assad forces, including ISIS. The predecessor of Daesh was already in Iraq when we attacked. Zarqawi's group, Monotheism and Jihad or whatever. Yeah, he was definitely there, but wasn't fighting. He hadn't formed AQI yet, though the initial network had started to grow since the Sunni Islamist revival of the 1990s. A group like that was bound to be created in Iraq, especially if the Shia took over. Even Saddam would have had to deal with the Salafist at some point, the infighting among the Sunni minority of Iraq would likely have lead to his downfall. |
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ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. lol, you spent all that time lecturing people about your conspiracy theory without even realizing that France had been overtly assisting in the bombing of ISIS for almost a year. How are people supposed to take your posts seriously if you try to make it seem that France needed a false flag to start a war they were already in? Gosh, it sounds like you need to take pencil to paper and straighten out the narrative of your conspiracy theory. Holes big enough to fly fully fueled jet liners through it (jet fuel can't melt steel!). |
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Once again our government lead by republicans and democrats has funded a group that turned on its maker. Very Frankenstein's monster. Our government creates monsters so that they can in turn fight them. Or, in this case, fight our enemies then fight us.
Foisted on our own petard. Very Shakespearean. |
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The reason we have ISIS in Iraq is because George W. Bush lost his nerve after decapitating the Iraq Government (Saddam and the Baathists) and gave them back their sovereignty way too soon after the invasion. His goal to have Iraqis elect their own government backfired when al-Maliki stayed in power even though his slate came in second in 2010. al-Maliki listened to the Shia and Iran who wanted payback on the Sunnis and when Obama did what the insurgents failed to do, ie. kick US troops out of Iraq, al-Maliki sent troops out to Anbar and started fucking with the Sunnis. Who do the Sunnis turn to to fight al-Maliki. ISIS, of course. The rest is history.
The Anbaris I worked with used to say, "We want you out of our cities, but not out of our country. Just stay over the horizon, out of sight, and be ready to help us." The relationship between ISIS and the Sunnis is a perfect example of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend.' The day there is a government in Baghdad that the Sunnis can trust, ISIS will be sent packing out of Iraq. The Sunnis will no longer tolerate them when they no longer serve the Sunnis' interests. |
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lol, you spent all that time lecturing people about your conspiracy theory without even realizing that France had been overtly assisting in the bombing of ISIS for almost a year. How are people supposed to take your posts seriously if you try to make it seem that France needed a false flag to start a war they were already in? Gosh, it sounds like you need to take pencil to paper and straighten out the narrative of your conspiracy theory. Holes big enough to fly fully fueled jet liners through it (jet fuel can't melt steel!). Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. lol, you spent all that time lecturing people about your conspiracy theory without even realizing that France had been overtly assisting in the bombing of ISIS for almost a year. How are people supposed to take your posts seriously if you try to make it seem that France needed a false flag to start a war they were already in? Gosh, it sounds like you need to take pencil to paper and straighten out the narrative of your conspiracy theory. Holes big enough to fly fully fueled jet liners through it (jet fuel can't melt steel!). Nope, not lecturing, just throwing in my .02. Are you capable of critical thought? What's your take on the events? Just more crazy Muslims that hate French people for their freedoms? |
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Once again our government lead by republicans and democrats has funded a group that turned on its maker. Very Frankenstein's monster. Our government creates monsters so that they can in turn fight them. Or, in this case, fight our enemies then fight us. Foisted on our own petard. Very Shakespearean. 
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Quoted: Nope, not lecturing, just throwing in my .02.
Are you capable of critical thought? What's your take on the events? Just more crazy Muslims that hate French people for their freedoms? Terrorist revenge for the bombs France has already dropped on the Islamic State? |
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I blame dildos. Dildos liberated Western women causing undue tension on the Eastern world for decades.
Eventually this caused people in the Middle East to rally strongly against the now liberated Western women thanks to--you guessed it--dildos. So in short the counter-liberation movement in the Middle East that led to radicalism and then all out jihad really was due in full to dildos. The answer is dildos. |
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ISIS is what happens when respectable tyrants that rule their third world shitholes with an iron first are ousted, and the void leads to shitbag psychopaths to gain power and wage war in the name of their religion. No need for a conspiracy behind it... End thread. |
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ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. 
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Nope, not lecturing, just throwing in my .02. Are you capable of critical thought? What's your take on the events? Just more crazy Muslims that hate French people for their freedoms? Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. lol, you spent all that time lecturing people about your conspiracy theory without even realizing that France had been overtly assisting in the bombing of ISIS for almost a year. How are people supposed to take your posts seriously if you try to make it seem that France needed a false flag to start a war they were already in? Gosh, it sounds like you need to take pencil to paper and straighten out the narrative of your conspiracy theory. Holes big enough to fly fully fueled jet liners through it (jet fuel can't melt steel!). Nope, not lecturing, just throwing in my .02. Are you capable of critical thought? What's your take on the events? Just more crazy Muslims that hate French people for their freedoms? Sure, I'm capable of critical thought. Also, I'm capable of reading. Like reading news reports...that say that the French have already been fighting Islamists for years. What were they doing in Afghanistan? Sewing rugs? What were their forces doing in Mali? Building homes of the homeless? What about in Iraq and Syria? Where they dropping leaflets from their military aircraft over ISIS controlled areas? Or bombs? France is the most highly populated European country in terms of its Muslim population. They've previously had violence directed against them from jihadists, they will continue. Its call normal. |
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I blame dildos. Dildos liberated Western women causing undue tension on the Eastern world for decades. Eventually this caused people in the Middle East to rally strongly against the now liberated Western women thanks to--you guessed it--dildos. So in short the counter-liberation movement in the Middle East that led to radicalism and then all out jihad really was due in full to dildos. The answer is dildos. They had dildos in ancient greece. |
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ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. Look no further than this response. |
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They had dildos in ancient greece. Quoted:
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I blame dildos. Dildos liberated Western women causing undue tension on the Eastern world for decades. Eventually this caused people in the Middle East to rally strongly against the now liberated Western women thanks to--you guessed it--dildos. So in short the counter-liberation movement in the Middle East that led to radicalism and then all out jihad really was due in full to dildos. The answer is dildos. They had dildos in ancient greece. And now look at them. 
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Nope, not lecturing, just throwing in my .02. Are you capable of critical thought? What's your take on the events? Just more crazy Muslims that hate French people for their freedoms? Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. lol, you spent all that time lecturing people about your conspiracy theory without even realizing that France had been overtly assisting in the bombing of ISIS for almost a year. How are people supposed to take your posts seriously if you try to make it seem that France needed a false flag to start a war they were already in? Gosh, it sounds like you need to take pencil to paper and straighten out the narrative of your conspiracy theory. Holes big enough to fly fully fueled jet liners through it (jet fuel can't melt steel!). Nope, not lecturing, just throwing in my .02. Are you capable of critical thought? What's your take on the events? Just more crazy Muslims that hate French people for their freedoms? I think a lot of us have difficulty understanding the mindset of many Arabs because it's tough to envision what a bunch of whacked out kooky fucks they are. See, they don't really understand much about the world around them, and much of their media intake is self-selected and biased. In order for them to make some kind of sense out of a complex reality that doesn't jibe with their own idiotic worldview, they come up with absolutely retarded complex conspiracy theories to help explain it. |
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I think a lot of us have difficulty understanding the mindset of many Arabs because it's tough to envision what a bunch of whacked out kooky fucks they are. See, they don't really understand much about the world around them, and much of their media intake is self-selected and biased. In order for them to make some kind of sense out of a complex reality that doesn't jibe with their own idiotic worldview, they come up with absolutely retarded complex conspiracy theories to help explain it. Quoted:
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America's Allies Are Funding ISIS... Did we somehow think we could control and use them to exercise leverage so we (or the Saudi's) could accomplish their strategic goals in the region (i.e. fighting a proxy war with Iran/creating pipelines into Europe for natural gas). I'm not claiming to know or have any expertise. Interested to hear your ideas. ISIS is a proxy-army of the USA/Israel/SA/Jordan. It's quite simple. Sick. But very simple. And it's nothing new. Always ask yourself with any of these outrageous events, "Cui Bono?". Who benefits? Imagine you were an outraged Muslim, intent on building yourself a home, a caliphate in the desert somewhere to attract like-minded fundamentalist believers. Now, in reality you would have limited money, limited time, limited humans, limited materials (water,food,ammo,firearms, vehicles, fuel, etc). Logistics, planning, resources, healthcare for your wounded. Would it make sense to then, with limited resources and constraints of reality, to then go attack every major world power you could (with snazzy world-class videos to boot)? No, that wouldn't make sense. ISIS is a tool. Our tool, Israel's tool, SA's tool... to split the factions in the ME, divide and conquer. We have destroyed Libya, then Iraq, and now our target is Syria to replace Assad with a Western puppet. Then onto Iran. Makes more sense than the comical "evil Muslim boogymen arising from the sand who hate us for our freedoms BS". Now France has their "9/11" to justify carpet bombing Assad. Maybe they get a piece of Syria too.. Don't know as I don't hang with sociopaths. lol, you spent all that time lecturing people about your conspiracy theory without even realizing that France had been overtly assisting in the bombing of ISIS for almost a year. How are people supposed to take your posts seriously if you try to make it seem that France needed a false flag to start a war they were already in? Gosh, it sounds like you need to take pencil to paper and straighten out the narrative of your conspiracy theory. Holes big enough to fly fully fueled jet liners through it (jet fuel can't melt steel!). Nope, not lecturing, just throwing in my .02. Are you capable of critical thought? What's your take on the events? Just more crazy Muslims that hate French people for their freedoms? I think a lot of us have difficulty understanding the mindset of many Arabs because it's tough to envision what a bunch of whacked out kooky fucks they are. See, they don't really understand much about the world around them, and much of their media intake is self-selected and biased. In order for them to make some kind of sense out of a complex reality that doesn't jibe with their own idiotic worldview, they come up with absolutely retarded complex conspiracy theories to help explain it. Iraqis thought the clear lens eye protection worn by US military forces allowed usu to see through women's dresses. They also thought our body armor possessed air conditioning. They believed all sorts of stupid ass shit, they loved crazy rumors, the crazier the better to spread. |
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ISIS was just the next ideological/militant evolutionary step of Islam, following the pattern clearly visible for the past century or more. A blind person should have seen it coming. Do you believe that the United States (or "Progressives" acting with the knowledge and support of the Obama administration) played an organizational role in Arab Spring? It seems that we keep fostering power vacuums and demolishing the established bulwarks against the extremists. I don't know--it's all perplexing. |
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I think a lot of us have difficulty understanding the mindset of many Arabs because it's tough to envision what a bunch of whacked out kooky fucks they are. See, they don't really understand much about the world around them, and much of their media intake is self-selected and biased. In order for them to make some kind of sense out of a complex reality that doesn't jibe with their own idiotic worldview, they come up with absolutely retarded complex conspiracy theories to help explain it. Ok, so we have all that in common, why can't we understand them? |
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No. Islam created it. Without Islam, it would not exist. The US and Europe broke down all of the semi-secular dictatorships that maintained order in the region, then armed the hardcore fundamentalists to gain control of the region. That's what Arab Spring really was. Hillary was bragging about it at the last Benghazi hearing. Of how proud she was of bringing democracy to Lybia and the region. |
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"The group has its origins in the early 2000s, when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi began training extremist militants. Zarqawi’s militants became a major participant in the Iraqi insurgency during the American occupation, first under the name Jama’at al-Tawhid wa’al-Jihad and then, after swearing fealty to Al Qaeda, as Al Qaeda in Iraq...
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a Jordanian-born terrorist who started to radicalize as a young man while in prison for drug possession and sexual assault. He traveled to Afghanistan in the late 1980s with the intention of joining the fight against Soviet occupation, but because the conflict was nearly over by the time he arrived, he went to work in Peshawar, a Pakistani border city with a thriving black market. There, he adopted a Salafi ideology under the tutelage of extremist mentors like Sheikh Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi. Zarqawi and Maqdisi returned to Jordan, where they founded a Salafi group called Bayat al-Imam and were arrested for their criticism of and plots against the Hashemite dynasty. The two gained a following while in prison, where they were able to smuggle out statements to be published on Salafi websites. Zarqawi radicalized further and began to overshadow his mentor. Zarqawi was released in a general amnesty arrangement in 1999... While Zarqawi’s militants formed groups that were sometimes reported as separate organizations, U.S. State Department would eventually classify them together under the name of the most prominent Zarqawi organization, Jama’at al-Tawhid wa’al-Jihad (JTJ). Its first operation was in Jordan, when JTJ organized the murder of USAid officer Laurence Foley in 2002, but after the American invasion of Iraq it quickly became active there..." http://web.stanford.edu/group/mappingmilitants/cgi-bin/groups/view/1 |