Posted: 4/9/2003 7:49:45 AM EDT
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID66/17076.html I left the link cold on purpose. "How do you celebrate and cheer on the imperalistic thugs that just dropped 20,000+ bombs and missiles on your country, flattened your cities, and murdered hundreds-- if not thousands--of your friends and neighbors. I just don't understand this world anymore. " Some people really dont get it do they? I thought the DU people were stupid but now I have proof. [buttkick] |
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They're not stupid. They're simply consumed with a seething hatred for the man and the movement that is making them and their positions look so absolutely foolish, insignificant, and impotent. I'm proud to be a member of that movement, and to have been one of the 537 in Florida who made the difference for GW! |
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Quoted: They're not stupid. They're simply consumed with a seething hatred for the man and the movement that is making them and their positions look so absolutely foolish, insignificant, and impotent. Well, now that it is done (or almost done) you'd think they would at least be happy for the Iraqis, if nothing else. But they're not, which makes me think that the poster in question is really that dumb. I've bought a bunch of bannanas with more mental power than this guy. |
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Check this thread out. They think their opposition to the war has been vindicated, but the hawks are in denial [whacko] [b]It's Winding Down: Will The Hawks Admit We Were Right?[/b] What we didn't predict: 1. We never predicted that the 'coalition' wouldn't defeat the Iraqi army. 2. We never predicted that it would be another Vietnam (that prediction came from our own generals and military experts after the first week of setbacks). What we did predict: 1. We predicted that there would be no great stockpiles of WMD 2. We predicted that the Iraqis would fight to defend their country. 3. We predicted that it would not be a 'cakewalk'. 4. We predicted that our troops would be greeted with death not flowers. 5. We predicted that the Arab world would be enraged (just because we don't see it on CNN, doesn't mean it isn't true). 6. We predicted that there would be thousands of Iraqi casualties. 7. We predicted that babies would be blown apart by our 'smart' bombs. 8. We predicted that the world would see us as an invader not a 'liberator'. 9. We predicted that the aftermath would be even more painful for the Iraqis than the operation itself. 10. We predicted that Saddam would likely never be found. 11. Last but not least we predicted that our fawning media would whitewash the whole affair to make GW look like a hero. |
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I've started posting over there (mostly if this board goes down), and I've been astonished about two things. (1) I find it hilarious that they think that conservatives/freepers are all emotion and cannot argue rationally, whereas the DUh crowd see themselves a very rational and reasonable. (2) They are never really interested in a rational discussion. They just like to rant and rail against things that they don't like or things that make them feel bad. That actually disappointed me, because it would be nice to be able to see a story from two sides - but their "side" doesn't seem to be coherent or logical - it's all about outrage and indignation and emotion, but very little logic and critical thinking. I posted a question over there last week about "when would war be okay?" - trying to get an understanding of whether or not people thought that war was always bad, or whether some things actualyl could justify attacking another country, even if it involves civilian casualties. Very little response, and it fell off their pages within a day. Apparently, nobody was really prepared to explain. |
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Quoted: "How do you celebrate and cheer on the imperalistic thugs that just dropped 20,000+ bombs and missiles on your country, flattened your cities, and murdered hundreds-- if not thousands--of your friends and neighbors. I just don't understand this world anymore. " They might want to ask Jews, Poles, Russians, Italians and even some Germans. I'd have included French but they seem to have enjoyed the whole experience a bit too much. |
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Quoted: I wonder how hard it would be to take out the DU server farm and the senior DU leadership? I would think 1 MEF and 1 B1B would do the trick. [chainsawkill] [chainsawkill] [chainsawkill] Naawwwww. You wouldn't need that much muscle. I'd say a Fire Team of Geiger Tigers would be able to handle that mission with NO problem. |
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[b][red]So bummed out about our victory...[/red] "Jeez this is about to be a really ugly day!! Our regular weekly morning long sales meeting has just been temporarily postphoned so that we all can go into our boss's office to watch "history being made"! Our boss just called from his car phone so that he could let us know it is happening and to tell her it was okay to postphone so we all could go watch. I am so incredibly sick of this shit!!! [red]...and this little gem...[/red] "Why are we paying soldiers to vandalize statues????????? This is so goddamned ridiculous.......... FUCK these 'troops'. I don't give a shit if they all get their asses killed. That did it for me." [/b] |
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Quoted: Quoted: I wonder how hard it would be to take out the DU server farm and the senior DU leadership? I would think 1 MEF and 1 B1B would do the trick. [chainsawkill] [chainsawkill] [chainsawkill] Naawwwww. You wouldn't need that much muscle. I'd say a Fire Team of Geiger Tigers would be able to handle that mission with NO problem. How about a 15 year old kid with a bb gun? |
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Quoted: [b][red]So bummed out about our victory...[/red] "Jeez this is about to be a really ugly day!! Our regular weekly morning long sales meeting has just been temporarily postphoned so that we all can go into our boss's office to watch "history being made"! Our boss just called from his car phone so that he could let us know it is happening and to tell her it was okay to postphone so we all could go watch. I am so incredibly sick of this shit!!! "Why are we paying soldiers to vandalize statues????????? This is so goddamned ridiculous.......... FUCK these 'troops'. I don't give a shit if they all get their asses killed. That did it for me." [/b] Someone from DU is in a sales meeting. You mean these people have actual jobs? That's difficult to believe since it is obvious they don't have actual thoughts. The thought of all the discomfort and rage the sight of our troops in the city of Baghdad is causing these people and those just like them world wide (France) makes this a very happy day for me. [:)] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder how hard it would be to take out the DU server farm and the senior DU leadership? I would think 1 MEF and 1 B1B would do the trick. [chainsawkill] [chainsawkill] [chainsawkill] Naawwwww. You wouldn't need that much muscle. I'd say a Fire Team of Geiger Tigers would be able to handle that mission with NO problem. How about a 15 year old kid with a bb gun? Are you guy's kidding? They would surrender to the french... |
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Quoted: I've started posting over there (mostly if this board goes down), and I've been astonished about two things. (1) I find it hilarious that they think that conservatives/freepers are all emotion and cannot argue rationally, whereas the DUh crowd see themselves a very rational and reasonable. (2) They are never really interested in a rational discussion. They just like to rant and rail against things that they don't like or things that make them feel bad. That actually disappointed me, because it would be nice to be able to see a story from two sides - but their "side" doesn't seem to be coherent or logical - it's all about outrage and indignation and emotion, but very little logic and critical thinking. I posted a question over there last week about "when would war be okay?" - trying to get an understanding of whether or not people thought that war was always bad, or whether some things actualyl could justify attacking another country, even if it involves civilian casualties. Very little response, and it fell off their pages within a day. Apparently, nobody was really prepared to explain. Over a year ago I did a one year tour of DU. I think I outlasted anyone else. Being that you and I are of a "similar" mindset and both went looking for the same thing, I predict you too will be disappointed and never find it. |
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They seem to enjoy spewing slogans and propaganda to one another. Personally, I would find that to be insulting. They love it though. They lie to each other, and it makes them happy. They fail to realize the most important part of propaganda... If you believe that everything the Government says is the truth, you will be very easy to manipulate and control. BUT what people fail to realize, is that if you believe that EVERYTHING the Government says is a LIE, you will be JUST AS EASY TO CONTROL AND MANIPULATE (perhaps even easier). |
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Quoted: Quoted: I've started posting over there (mostly if this board goes down), and I've been astonished about two things. (1) I find it hilarious that they think that conservatives/freepers are all emotion and cannot argue rationally, whereas the DUh crowd see themselves a very rational and reasonable. (2) They are never really interested in a rational discussion. They just like to rant and rail against things that they don't like or things that make them feel bad. That actually disappointed me, because it would be nice to be able to see a story from two sides - but their "side" doesn't seem to be coherent or logical - it's all about outrage and indignation and emotion, but very little logic and critical thinking. I posted a question over there last week about "when would war be okay?" - trying to get an understanding of whether or not people thought that war was always bad, or whether some things actualyl could justify attacking another country, even if it involves civilian casualties. Very little response, and it fell off their pages within a day. Apparently, nobody was really prepared to explain. Over a year ago I did a one year tour of DU. I think I outlasted anyone else. Being that you and I are of a "similar" mindset and both went looking for the same thing, I predict you too will be disappointed and never find it. I don't think I'll last anywhere near that long. Yesterday I had a post deleted and was warned by a Mod, because I called a guy a dumbass and suggested he buy a dictionary when he called the war in Iraq "genocidal" [rolleyes] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've started posting over there (mostly if this board goes down), and I've been astonished about two things. (1) I find it hilarious that they think that conservatives/freepers are all emotion and cannot argue rationally, whereas the DUh crowd see themselves a very rational and reasonable. (2) They are never really interested in a rational discussion. They just like to rant and rail against things that they don't like or things that make them feel bad. That actually disappointed me, because it would be nice to be able to see a story from two sides - but their "side" doesn't seem to be coherent or logical - it's all about outrage and indignation and emotion, but very little logic and critical thinking. I posted a question over there last week about "when would war be okay?" - trying to get an understanding of whether or not people thought that war was always bad, or whether some things actualyl could justify attacking another country, even if it involves civilian casualties. Very little response, and it fell off their pages within a day. Apparently, nobody was really prepared to explain. Over a year ago I did a one year tour of DU. I think I outlasted anyone else. Being that you and I are of a "similar" mindset and both went looking for the same thing, I predict you too will be disappointed and never find it. I don't think I'll last anywhere near that long. Yesterday I had a post deleted and was warned by a Mod, because I called a guy a dumbass and suggested he buy a dictionary when he called the war in Iraq "genocidal" [rolleyes] I'm closing on 100 posts and have found maybe two people who will argue rationally. The stupidity is incredible. The other day I was accused of "Willfule Igornance". |
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Quoted: Quoted: (2) They are never really interested in a rational discussion. They just like to rant and rail against things that they don't like or things that make them feel bad. Except that we don't normally ban people for arguing with the tin-foil hat posters on this site. The site "mood" isn't dictated by the tin-fil hat crowd either. On the DU, if you don't toe the ridiculously conspiratorial ultra-leftist party line you risk being banned. If you show the smallest shred of common sense or rational thought you get banned. The Dumbasses Unlimited and ARFDC are very different. |
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DK-Prof wrote: nobody was really prepared to explain. Prepared to explain that belief or any other they have. I can't believe that someone, much less a large collection of them in one place, can have such strong opinions without being able to explain a logical reason for any one of them. I see the attitude every day at work, but I still don't believe it could exist.z |
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Fell free to post this at DU. Stolen from fark.com: The funniest thing in all this is to see all these staunch, doom and gloom, anti-this-war types out there who are now spinning all over themselves trying to point out how negative things still are. They can't just admit that we just witnessed an absolutely BRILLIANT military campaign that was extremely light on coalition and civilian casualties. We just took over a country with one of the largest militaries in the world(not in a great operational state, but still...) and did it with lightening speed, and a touch so light that most infrastructure is still completely intact and there were less civilian deaths from our war(1,200 as of yesterday by ABU DHABI'S - a nutcase "Information Minister is correct" Arab news network, so even that estimate is probably high) than were happening anyway simply from people living in that regime and living under sanctions(which now won't be in effect, obviously) - less deaths by FAR. Those same groups that were reporting 60,000 deaths a year just from sanctions in Iraq... JUST FROM SACTIONS(thanks, spineless UN - how many would have been saved if you'd just enforced your laws with military might in the first place instead of killing people slow for 12 years...) - not to mention the tens of thousand that died yearly at the hands of Saddaam and his Baath thugs... But those same groups that were bandying about those numbers are biatching about this war and civilian deaths - even though they are FAR FAR FAR lower than they would have been just leaving things alone. |
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We saved thousands upon thousands of lives doing this. And the people are celebrating in jubilation(the vast majority, that is - you have idiots in any population, just look out our "neverland" anti-war types here). But not a one of you morons can just admit that it is a wonderful day, and George Bush and his team have done nothing short of an incredible job with this whole action... Pathetic partisanship to the very core is all you have to offer in response. But this IS the same group who didn't SAY A WORD when Clinton went around the UN and bombed the hell out of Kosovo to remove a tyrant who had killed far less than Saddaam but hadn't done any of the other horrible things, including violating international law for 12 years... A bunch of partisan hypocrits who didn't say a word when it was "their boy" in the Whitehouse... And now they're spinning their way into further embarassment, moving on to any little thing they can come up with... Well guess what? YOU GUYS WERE WRONG WRONG WRONG before. Go back and read the anti-war posts on fark before and at the start of the war - listen to all the doom and gloom predictions that didn't come to pass. Listen to them bash the Administration and Fox News, even though now we see what those two entities were saying was right all along, listen to them talk about how "bogged down" and "screwed" we were, listen to them compare things to Vietnam, listen to them speak of terrorist attacks assailing our shores the minute we struck Iraq(three weeks guys - nothing...), listen to them speak of "fortress Baghdad", listen to them predict TENS OF THOUSANDS of civilian deaths, listen to them talk about the months and months this war would take, listen to them, basically, be wrong about every single thing they've said pertaining this action... Listen to all that, and realize that it is not the first time. This bunch has simply been WRONG about everything for decades. This is the same bunch that said Reagan would start World War III by calling the Soviet Union the "Evil Empire" and building up our defense, and modernizing weapons in Europe - instead, Reagan was the driving force to ending the cold war and the grip of communism on most of the whole world. The end of Reagan's era did not see the end the world for America or anyone else, but it did see the end of America's chief enemy, and the emergence of the United States as the world's only superpower - nice call again, guys. This same group has predicted catastrophe in North Korea, but again, our show of force is causing China to take care of that problem, as is seen in their recent actions - not words, but ACTIONS. As one Chinese government scholar recently said "The US has proven it is not a paper tiger, it is a real tiger, and we cannot afford to let it bare its fangs in Asia"(paraphrased). This group has called literally everything wrong in this period and forever before that(remember when "welfare reform would cause a national crisis" but instead it tremendously patched up a broken system, remember when "Republicans would starve children" but school lunch programs actually INCREASED in their funding?). And now they're barking about Weapons of Mass destruction - listen guys, you don't worry about looking to hard for things like that when people are shooting at you. Now that the war is all but over, we can go around and look for the hidden stashes, interview the scientists for the first time without them being in fear for their lives or the lives of their families, get into those underground bunkers, etc. Not to mention the fact that the NPR report concerning the missles capped with mustard gas and other agents has still not been conclusively tested... At any rate, these things will be found, and for the hundred thousandth millionth time, you will be wrong. I'm glad you're used to it. As for now, I'll sit back and watch you guys spin away - you all sound just like the Iraqi Information Minister. Hope it feels good to be so partisan that you can't feel the joy of the liberation of MILLIONS of oppressed people, the release of children from prisons, and the end of torture chambers that had nearly flooded themselves with innocent blood... Hope it feels good that you're feeling anguish and embarassment at the failure of your partisan positions now instead of the joy you should be feeling - joy welling up in you when you look at the faces of those people, finally coming out of a literal nightmare and tasting freedom in their hearts for the first time in their lives... How many of you actualy feel that joy, even if you were wrong before? From the way you post, it seems that if many of you really step back and look into your hearts, all you'll see is the backpeddling instinct and the deep frustration at "Dubya's" political victory. And that should give you shame on this day of liberation. Hope it feels good, guys... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: (2) They are never really interested in a rational discussion. They just like to rant and rail against things that they don't like or things that make them feel bad. Except that we don't normally ban people for arguing with the tin-foil hat posters on this site. The site "mood" isn't dictated by the tin-fil hat crowd either. On the DU, if you don't toe the ridiculously conspiratorial ultra-leftist party line you risk being banned. If you show the smallest shred of common sense or rational thought you get banned. The Dumbasses Unlimited and ARFDC are very different. |