[ARCHIVED THREAD] - "Jessica" (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/1/2003 10:58:44 PM EDT
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None of the newscasters are calling her "Private Lynch" or even "Lynch". She's "Jessica", like she's a baby that just got pulled out of a well. Could you imagine a Pfc Robert Jones getting rescued and everyone calling him "Bob"? Christ. I'm damn glad they got her back. I'm sure she suffered. She's done her duty and deserves the respect. But what in the hell is a 5'4", 105 lb 19 year old girl doing in a combat zone anyway? |
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Quoted: None of the newscasters are calling her "Private Lynch" or even "Lynch". She's "Jessica", like she's a baby that just got pulled out of a well. Could you imagine a Pfc Robert Jones getting rescued and everyone calling him "Bob"? Christ. I'm damn glad they got her back. I'm sure she suffered. She's done her duty and deserves the respect. But what in the hell is a 5'4", 105 lb 19 year old girl doing in a combat zone anyway? Because her 6' 190lb male second lieutenant couldn't read a fucking map, compass, or GPS screen thats why... |
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Quoted: Quoted: None of the newscasters are calling her "Private Lynch" or even "Lynch". She's "Jessica", like she's a baby that just got pulled out of a well. Could you imagine a Pfc Robert Jones getting rescued and everyone calling him "Bob"? Christ. I'm damn glad they got her back. I'm sure she suffered. She's done her duty and deserves the respect. But what in the hell is a 5'4", 105 lb 19 year old girl doing in a combat zone anyway? Because her 6' 190lb male second lieutenant couldn't read a fucking map, compass, or GPS screen thats why... I believe the convoy she was in was traveling at night. It is easy to get lost and not know about it, until it was too late, of course with deadly consequences. |
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Quoted: Quoted: None of the newscasters are calling her "Private Lynch" or even "Lynch". She's "Jessica", like she's a baby that just got pulled out of a well. Could you imagine a Pfc Robert Jones getting rescued and everyone calling him "Bob"? Christ. I'm damn glad they got her back. I'm sure she suffered. She's done her duty and deserves the respect. But what in the hell is a 5'4", 105 lb 19 year old girl doing in a combat zone anyway? Because her 6' 190lb male second lieutenant couldn't read a fucking map, compass, or GPS screen thats why... I'm not saying it was her fault the convoy got lost. Very few mistakes of that magnitude are made by soldiers of that pay grade. But mistakes like that do happen, and it ends up putting women in contact, and that shouldn't happen. |
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Fox just refered to her as Pfc. Jessica Lynch from Palastine,TX. She has two broken legs, a broken arm and is in stable condition. A dumbass 2nd Lieutenent almost got me killed because HE couldn't read a map or a compass. He's all gone, I'm still here. [blue]I salute you Pfc. Lynch[/blue]. |
| At 5'4" and 105 lbs, she is definately tough enough. That girl has two broken legs and an arm and was shot multiple times! Yet she is listed in stable condition and the reports souded like her injuries were not life-threatening. That young soldier deserves our respect regardless of her gender. |
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Quoted: [blue]I salute you Pfc. Lynch[/blue]. And thank you for serving in this countries armed forces while actively defending the lives of American non-combatants against terror. Idiots who sit on the sidelines and bitch cannot hold a candle to any American who takes up arms against it's enemies. She put her life at risk while being part of our armed forces in combat. Some of you might wish you were there, but you weren't. She was. "what in the hell is a 5'4", 105 lb 19 year old girl doing in a combat zone anyway?"... Supplying the front line troops with supplies until she and many other good soldiers were ambushed far behind what was at the time believed to be 'the front'. God Speed another wounded soldiers safe return home. (edited twice - jeez - first for spelling, and then for syntax. Ranting makes me sloppy) |
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Quoted: Fox just refered to her as Pfc. Jessica Lynch from Palastine,TX. She has two broken legs, a broken arm and is in stable condition. A dumbass 2nd Lieutenent almost got me killed because HE couldn't read a map or a compass. He's all gone, I'm still here. [blue]I salute you Pfc. Lynch[/blue]. |
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She's gonna be rich! And good for her I say. I can picture it now; [b]"Deliver me from evil"[/b] The Private Jessica Lynch story next on Lifetime Movie Network. The Book; [b]"I will trust in my God and in the United States of America" The story of Jessica Lynch in her own words[/b] (As told to Mark Bowden, author of the N.Y Times best seller Black Hawk Down). For those who don't know, "I will trust in my God and in the United States of America" is the last line of the U.S. Military's Code of Conduct. Any other suggestions for good titles. I'll call her and see if she needs an "Agent". [naughty] |
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Quoted: ... story next on Lifetime Movie Network. ... Good for her, but I cannot stand the Lifetime Network. Every time my wife watches some movie on there, she comes back to me and starts some crap about something. I call it the "man-hating" channel. Sorry to hijack the thread, but I needed to say that. Oh, and it's great news about Pfc. Lynch. |
| She is going to be "America's Sweetheart" for a little while. Tremendous human interest value in her story. I say she should grab that brass ring while she can. Palestine W.Va. is in a county with the highest unemployment rate in the entire state. Something like 15%. W.Va. has the highest unemployment rate of any state IIRC. I see at least a couple of million dollars in her future. |
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Quoted: Idiots who sit on the sidelines and bitch cannot hold a candle to any American who takes up arms against it's enemies. Well, I was there...in the Navy, and I guaran-damn-tee ya that not a single one of the women I worked with would have been able to pick my unconcious ass off the deck and carry me to safety in the case of some conflagration. That was a very unnerving thought. I'm glad some chicks are all gung-ho, but bravery and patriotism do not minimize the fact that they are just plain not suited for combat. Period. Scott |
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I think Pvt Lynch is like a lot of the recruits I helped train back in the day. They join because the military provides opportunites for them to better themselves that would not be open to them otherwise. This applies equally to male and female. It's nice and easy for the middle class to think they all just want to serve their country, but the fact is that is a secondary consideration for a lot of them and no consideration for far too many. No use for the middle class to bother themselves that the blanket of security they sleep under is disproportionaly provided by lower income Americans. Even for those recruits where service to country is not first and foremost, it is ususally a pretty important consideration and I was very proud of the vast majority of young Americans I helped train. It was far more inspiring to be around that kind of person than the kind I find myself surrounded with in Corporate life, that, through their complete ignorace of what military service entails, disrespect better men and women. Private Lynch, chose to serve, whatever her motivation. She did her job, and she paid a hell of a price. She deserves the respect and gratitude of every American, especially those that also served. |
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Quoted: But what in the hell is a 5'4", 105 lb 19 year old girl doing in a combat zone anyway? Man, your talking about a "Hillbilly" chick. Ass whoopin' is in their blood. I salute her for having the courage to join the military & go into battle. Her father said during the interview that she will likely stay in the military and finish her career. It's what's between the ears that makes a soldier, not what's between the legs. |
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Quoted: Quoted: [blue]I salute you Pfc. Lynch[/blue]. And thank you for serving in this countries armed forces while actively defending the lives of American non-combatants against terror. Idiots who sit on the sidelines and bitch cannot hold a candle to any American who takes up arms against it's enemies. She put her life at risk while being part of our armed forces in combat. Some of you might wish you were there, but you weren't. She was. "what in the hell is a 5'4", 105 lb 19 year old girl doing in a combat zone anyway?"... Supplying the front line troops with supplies until she and many other good soldiers were ambushed far behind what was at the time believed to be 'the front'. God Speed another wounded soldiers safe return home. Couldn't put it much better than that. Thanks Pfc Lynch for your service. |
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Arguing about whether women should be in combat is moot. They're there. It only makes sense to be 100% supportive of them while they are in service. They don't deserve any less. The time for arguement about women in combat is NOT less than 12 hours after a female POW is rescued. (Is it just me or does she remind any of you of Melissa Joan Hart?) |
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Quoted: Here is a picture of her after the rescue. [img]wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/04/02/image547311x.jpg[/img] Jessica Lynch after her rescue (AP) That, my friends, is a picture of a soldier glad to back among her own. God bless this soldier, the soldiers who brought her back to freedom, the soldiers who continue to fight in the name of freedom, and especially the soldiers that have fallen. God bless our warriors. |
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She followed her orders, and apparently did her job. What more could we ask? It's not up to a Pfc. to decide whether young, slightly-built girls go so close to front line combat. I am thrilled she is back with us, and I too salute her for her service to the Country. [USA] |
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Women in combat or not, it may just be she survived because she was a woman. I don't hear of any other survivors of the attack other than the few POWs that Iraq showed on TV. Ten other bodies found in that hospital and 4 bodies found in shallow graves. And what about those guys who rescued her. They gotta have big brass ones!! I also saw a film clip of a young black soldier standing on top of his Bradley with his arms raised after a battle. He was shouting "God and country baby! God and country! That's what it's all about". Man, I almost cried. God bless all our troops. |
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OK, I didn't mean to impugn Private Lynch's bravery, conduct or service. She's fully deserving of the respect due any soldier that served, especially in the circumstances she did. I was extremely pleased to see her rescued, and I'm proud of her as an American soldier. That being said, women don't belong in units where they're is the possibility of combat. Part of this is my own prejudice; I cringed a little deeper when I first saw the pictures of her as MIA than I did when I saw pics of the men. Call this my natural instinct or Neandrathal tendencies. Sorry. But women still don't belong in combat. I've seen it tried in training. USAF security forces have a light infantry role during wartime, and I've been on many exercises with women trying to fulfill this role, digging holes, patrolling, the whole nine. It doesn't work. They tire faster, require more care, can't perform much of the work, cause problems with unit cohesion, and aren't as aggressive as their male counterparts. Again, sorry if I gave the impression that I thought poorly of Private Lynch. She's damn tough, and she might have very well gone down fighting. She might be able to kick my ass. She's a genuine hero. Maybe this is the wrong time to bring this up. But she still shouldn't have been there in the first place! |
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I don't know about you but I did shed a tear during the CENTCOM briefing and Fox showing the video of the rescue and the interview with her father. My daughter is only 6 months younger than PFC Lynch. "we WILL leave no soldier behind". METT-T: I also see the double standard in the media between PYT's and males (or females of other races) but this not the thread to air this out in though. (oh, PYT = Pretty, Young Thing) |
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Quoted: Fellas, let's not forget the team of Delta Operators that went in there and rescued her. Those D-boys deserve our utmost gratitude... Her rescue took part in a town held by the Marines. It was Marines shown carrying her on the stretcher. (Unless Delta started issuing the Marine MEU-SOC 1911 complete with issue lanyard). It was a Marine officer that first announced her rescue and condition. It was the CIA that developed the interl leading to her rescue. I dont think the Army, let alone Delta, had much to do with her rescue. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Fellas, let's not forget the team of Delta Operators that went in there and rescued her. Those D-boys deserve our utmost gratitude... Her rescue took part in a town held by the Marines. It was Marines shown carrying her on the stretcher. (Unless Delta started issuing the Marine MEU-SOC 1911 complete with issue lanyard). It was a Marine officer that first announced her rescue and condition. It was the CIA that developed the interl leading to her rescue. I dont think the Army, let alone Delta, had much to do with her rescue. Reports have been saying that the Marines conducted a diversionary assault in the area while SEALS assisted by Rangers made the rescue. So, it appears that the Army did play an important role in the rescue. Fitting, since after all they were the ones that lost her. [nana] Edited to add the smiley because this was meant to be a good natured jab at the Army. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Fellas, let's not forget the team of Delta Operators that went in there and rescued her. Those D-boys deserve our utmost gratitude... Her rescue took part in a town held by the Marines. It was Marines shown carrying her on the stretcher. (Unless Delta started issuing the Marine MEU-SOC 1911 complete with issue lanyard). It was a Marine officer that first announced her rescue and condition. It was the CIA that developed the interl leading to her rescue. I dont think the Army, let alone Delta, had much to do with her rescue. Fox still insists that the takedown of the hospital itself was by SEALs, with a Ranger company providing security and the local Marine unit attacking Iraqi positions around a bridge nearby-something they were going to take anyways-as a diversion. And now they say it was the CIA, not Marines or locals, that located her. |
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Guys, with all due respect, who rescued her should not be the issue, or who gave them the tip, what arms they carried, why she was captured, if she is in a movie, writes a book, or any of that. She is first an American citizen and is in the military service for her country. Some how she got lost, got shot, was captured, and probably tortured. Undoubtedly she was scared beyond anything we will ever know, but had the resolve to survive. She was rescued by some of the most well trained and bravest people we are honoring here. They all deserve our prayers and our thanks for what they are doing. Good Luck to them and to us all. |
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Regardless of what troops did what, it was an excellent exercise in the application of force and deception. Kudos to all who were involved! Beyond that, what would you give to see a video of her face when her rescuers came thru the door and told her "We're Americans and we're here to take you home"? Big bucks would be paid for that one IMO. The eleven bodies that were found seem to indicate that other parents of captured 507th POWs may not get such good news. I hope it's not so, but it dosen't sound good. Payback is (and SHOULD BE) a Bitch! Don in Ohio |