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8/5/2015 4:38:32 PM EDT
With all the vast improvements in battery technology, why do replacement batteries still cost so much? The drill/drivers, saws, etc, from Makita, DeWalt, Bosch, etc.....  A replacement battery is typically $70 or more, and not much better online. Why? And why are there no knock-off replacements available? The designs are not that complex, it ought to me possible to engineer an off-brand replacement battery for less. Yet, we're stuck with replacement battery costs so high, it's almost cost-effective to buy ' whole new tool.
8/5/2015 4:46:46 PM EDT
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Sounds like a good business venture
8/5/2015 4:48:17 PM EDT
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I have a DeWalt battery that I attempted to replace the bad cells in, with no success. I should probably buy a complete replacement set and see if I can get it to work.

8/5/2015 4:48:24 PM EDT
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Could the shape of the battery attachment point be intellectual property?
8/5/2015 4:49:57 PM EDT
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This.  It's probably patented.  Otherwise, there would definitely be knockoff batteries.



 
8/5/2015 4:50:40 PM EDT
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Because that's how much people are willing to pay.
8/5/2015 4:51:33 PM EDT
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This.  It's probably patented.  Otherwise, there would definitely be knockoff batteries.
 
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This.  It's probably patented.  Otherwise, there would definitely be knockoff batteries.
 


then just make the internal cells.
8/5/2015 4:53:52 PM EDT
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Can rebuild your own. Look it up on you tube. But it costs about the same as buying one.
8/5/2015 4:54:21 PM EDT
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then just make the internal cells.


You can get them cheap on Ebay from China. Trick is getting them all hooked up right.
8/5/2015 4:57:23 PM EDT
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Could the shape of the battery attachment point be intellectual property?

This.  It's probably patented.  Otherwise, there would definitely be knockoff batteries.
 


then just make the internal cells.



Batteries Plus replaces ours for us.
8/5/2015 4:57:33 PM EDT
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I went to buy some 5.0mah for my Makita and a two pack was over $200.
8/5/2015 4:58:07 PM EDT
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You can get them cheap on Ebay from China. Trick is getting them all hooked up right.
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Could the shape of the battery attachment point be intellectual property?

This.  It's probably patented.  Otherwise, there would definitely be knockoff batteries.
 


then just make the internal cells.


You can get them cheap on Ebay from China. Trick is getting them all hooked up right.


I can see the spot welding being an issue, but you would be able to test polarity from a good battery on hand.
8/5/2015 5:00:16 PM EDT
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With all the vast improvements in battery technology, why do replacement batteries still cost so much? The drill/drivers, saws, etc, from Makita, DeWalt, Bosch, etc.....  A replacement battery is typically $70 or more, and not much better online. Why? And why are there no knock-off replacements available? The designs are not that complex, it ought to me possible to engineer an off-brand replacement battery for less. Yet, we're stuck with replacement battery costs so high, it's almost cost-effective to buy ' whole new tool.
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There are knock offs on Amazon. At least for Makita anyway.
8/5/2015 5:00:18 PM EDT
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With all the vast improvements in battery technology, why do replacement batteries still cost so much? The drill/drivers, saws, etc, from Makita, DeWalt, Bosch, etc.....  A replacement battery is typically $70 or more, and not much better online. Why? And why are there no knock-off replacements available? The designs are not that complex, it ought to me possible to engineer an off-brand replacement battery for less. Yet, we're stuck with replacement battery costs so high, it's almost cost-effective to buy ' whole new tool.
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red because of blue.
sure, you can solder some D batteries together for the right voltage and plug it in, but it wont be anywhere near what the factory batt is.
8/5/2015 5:03:20 PM EDT
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Amazon
8/5/2015 5:08:54 PM EDT
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With all the vast improvements in battery technology, why do replacement batteries still cost so much? The drill/drivers, saws, etc, from Makita, DeWalt, Bosch, etc.....  A replacement battery is typically $70 or more, and not much better online. Why? And why are there no knock-off replacements available? The designs are not that complex, it ought to me possible to engineer an off-brand replacement battery for less. Yet, we're stuck with replacement battery costs so high, it's almost cost-effective to buy ' whole new tool.


There are knock offs on Amazon. At least for Makita anyway.


This. Just bought 2 for my 14.4v Hitschi. Gtg so far, but I'm not a power user.
8/5/2015 5:27:50 PM EDT
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I thought of the proprietary IP on battery connections, but I don't buy it. HP has tried mightily to crush the market for replacement ink & toner with zero success. And batteries are very low-tech by comparison.
8/5/2015 5:33:07 PM EDT
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Sweet, thanks!

As expensive as the brand replacements are, they should have a core charge trade-in value.
8/5/2015 5:34:08 PM EDT
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Have bought some Dewalt after market batteries on amazon, that are better then OEM, about 1/3 of price.
8/5/2015 5:43:20 PM EDT
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I've had spotty luck with the knockoffs for dewalt and my Samsung phones. If they work, they work. There's a damn good chance they won't work though.

What dewalt tool is cheaper than buying a 70 dollar battery? That comes with a battery? Hint, there is none, unless you catch an awesome sale. I did catch a half dozen 20v max drills on sale for 85 last year.

I'll gladly pay 70 bucks for the quality they are nowadays. When I ran a crew we used to have 10-20 batteries charging at any time, all day. If it was hot you had to battle overheating so we would leave the hot ones in an idling pickup right on the a/c vent. My 20v max rarely overheat even if you discharge it 15 times in a one day. I hate to think at how many man hours we spent fiddling with batteries. Seems like we trashed atleast 1 or 2 a week back then.
8/5/2015 5:51:59 PM EDT
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red because of blue.
sure, you can solder some D batteries together for the right voltage and plug it in, but it wont be anywhere near what the factory batt is.
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With all the vast improvements in battery technology, why do replacement batteries still cost so much? The drill/drivers, saws, etc, from Makita, DeWalt, Bosch, etc.....  A replacement battery is typically $70 or more, and not much better online. Why? And why are there no knock-off replacements available? The designs are not that complex, it ought to me possible to engineer an off-brand replacement battery for less. Yet, we're stuck with replacement battery costs so high, it's almost cost-effective to buy ' whole new tool.

red because of blue.
sure, you can solder some D batteries together for the right voltage and plug it in, but it wont be anywhere near what the factory batt is.



^^^^^^^

Improvement in performance is not equal to reduction in price.  Quite the opposite.
8/5/2015 6:06:12 PM EDT
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Just copied ink printers.