[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Confederate Flag (Page 1 of 8)
Posted: 6/19/2015 6:43:07 PM EDT
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Why does it fly in Charleston and other places?
Should it come down? Edit: Changed to match poll |
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Taking the flag down won't change a damn thing, those who want to use it as a symbol of hate will continue to.
Those that see it as a historical item will continue to. The stupid and uinformed that think the current flag is one that SC even flew during the Civil War will continue to be. |
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Taking the flag down won't change a damn thing, those who want to use it as a symbol of hate will continue to. Those that see it as a historical item will continue to. The stupid and uinformed that think the current flag is one that SC even flew during the Civil War will continue to be. This |
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Should the Nazi flag fly in Germany? Not saying they're the same thing, but history, right? Quoted:
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Why does it fly in Charleston and other places? History Should it come down? No Should the Nazi flag fly in Germany? Not saying they're the same thing, but history, right? But the South will rise again, the great prophecy has been foretold. |
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I don't think it officially flys in Charleston. It probably does at some historical sites.
What everyone is talking about and debating is the "Confederate Memorial" that's on the SC State House grounds here in Columbia. There is also an African American memorial, memorial for fallen police officers, etc..... |
| I've always been torn on this. I think trying to forget the past is always a bad thing, However I feel like the confederate flag may cause too much emotional harm to still want it around. The nazi symbol was a well established symbol in history, but if seen today evokes a strong emotion for most everyone. While many view the confederate flag as a link to the past, for others it is a symbol of hate that is being flaunted in front of them. I'm going to go ahead and say it probably does more harm than good being flown at publicly owned buildings. |
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I don't think it officially flys in Charleston. It may. What everyone is talking about and debating is the "Confederate Memorial" that's on the SC State House grounds here in Columbia. There is also an African American memorial, memorial for fallen police officers, etc..... No, it does. They just said on the news that the US flag is at half mast, but the CF is not. It's illegal to touch it. |
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I've always been torn on this. I think trying to forget the past is always a bad thing, However I feel like the confederate flag may cause too much emotional harm to still want it around. The nazi symbol was a well established symbol in history, but if seen today evokes a strong emotion for most everyone. While many view the confederate flag as a link to the past, for others it is a symbol of hate that is being flaunted in front of them. I'm going to go ahead and say it probably does more harm than good being flown at publicly owned buildings. Only to people who live their lives looking for something to get butthurt about. |
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I've always been torn on this. I think trying to forget the past is always a bad thing, However I feel like the confederate flag may cause too much emotional harm to still want it around. The nazi symbol was a well established symbol in history, but if seen today evokes a strong emotion for most everyone. While many view the confederate flag as a link to the past, for others it is a symbol of hate that is being flaunted in front of them. I'm going to go ahead and say it probably does more harm than good being flown at publicly owned buildings. The Confederate flag isn't racist though. The Civil War was fought more over states rights. That and the fact that Irish and white slaves were treated FAR WORSE than black ones. Whites were cheap and blacks were expensive thus it didn't even matter if they killed a few whites cruelly for an example. However back to the flag it is part of our history, let it fly. |
| Perception is everything; back when Billy Idol sported it......it was cool and did not automatically mean racism. Today we walk on egg shells. I try to be conscious of how certain people might perceive it, but at the end of the day it just means so much more then what some lib may think. |
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No, it does. They just said on the news that the US flag is at half mast, but the CF is not. It's illegal to touch it. Ha! Getting your information from the TV news??? 
Where is this flag they are speaking of? There is one at the Confederate Veterans Memorial in Columbia. Other than that, I'm not aware of one in Charleston. |
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Are you going to go onto somebody's private property and take down their flag? Good luck with that - let me know how it works out. The Confederate flag used to fly over the State House under the American flag, but it was taken down years ago. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/south-carolinas-confederate-flag-not-lowered-half-mast-after-church-n378316 " In solemn tribute to the nine people gunned down at a Charleston church, two flags atop the statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina, were lowered to half-staff on Thursday. They will stay there for nine days in honor of each victim. But in a bewildering display, a Confederate flag on statehouse grounds is still flying high. It wasn't an oversight. It's because of state law. " |
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I've always been torn on this. I think trying to forget the past is always a bad thing, However I feel like the confederate flag may cause too much emotional harm to still want it around. The nazi symbol was a well established symbol in history, but if seen today evokes a strong emotion for most everyone. While many view the confederate flag as a link to the past, for others it is a symbol of hate that is being flaunted in front of them. I'm going to go ahead and say it probably does more harm than good being flown at publicly owned buildings. People who get their panties in a wad because of a battle flag need to work on having a thicker skin. I'd venture to say most of them really think it was the Confederate flag. |
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Germany doesn't have the 1st amendment. Nazi's were evil, Confederates were not. You be trollin. Quoted:
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Should the Nazi flag fly in Germany? Not saying they're the same thing, but history, right? Germany doesn't have the 1st amendment. Nazi's were evil, Confederates were not. You be trollin. This Use logic not emotion OP |
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They tried this shit with the flag of St George.
People who flew flags were branded racist and the rabid left desperately tried to make it a racist symbol. It backfired massively and the flag has been reclaimed from the lefts attempts to turn it into something it wasn't, and it remains part of our national heritage. From an outsiders perspective, the Confederate Flag doesn't have any negative meaning either. It was the flag on top of the General Lee in the Dukes of Hazard, it has a meaning in the southern states that is about regional identity, and it also has a historical significance. I also view it as a symbol of a certain amount of defiance, like the Gadsden Flag. Maybe I am oversimplifying it and there is a much more complex meaning to the flag on your side of the pond but it seems that people are very quick to be offended by a flag which formed part of US history. |
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/south-carolinas-confederate-flag-not-lowered-half-mast-after-church-n378316 " In solemn tribute to the nine people gunned down at a Charleston church, two flags atop the statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina, were lowered to half-staff on Thursday. They will stay there for nine days in honor of each victim. But in a bewildering display, a Confederate flag on statehouse grounds is still flying high. It wasn't an oversight. It's because of state law. " Quoted:
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Are you going to go onto somebody's private property and take down their flag? Good luck with that - let me know how it works out. The Confederate flag used to fly over the State House under the American flag, but it was taken down years ago. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/south-carolinas-confederate-flag-not-lowered-half-mast-after-church-n378316 " In solemn tribute to the nine people gunned down at a Charleston church, two flags atop the statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina, were lowered to half-staff on Thursday. They will stay there for nine days in honor of each victim. But in a bewildering display, a Confederate flag on statehouse grounds is still flying high. It wasn't an oversight. It's because of state law. " That is part of the memorial. That flag does not fly in a place of sovereignty. You are being manipulated by the half truths of people trying to stir up trouble where there isn't any. |
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Germany doesn't have the 1st amendment. Nazi's were evil, Confederates were not. You be trollin. Quoted:
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Should the Nazi flag fly in Germany? Not saying they're the same thing, but history, right? Germany doesn't have the 1st amendment. Nazi's were evil, Confederates were not. You be trollin. Not at all. I have no dog in the fight, and I honestly couldn't care less. I didn't realize until tonight that it still flies, by law. Just curious. |
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Nope, haters gonna hate and I bet a lot of African American confederate soldiers would agree. FYI they went slaves, but armed and dressed in confederate battle attire.
" While determining an accurate number of African Americans who served in the Confederate armed forces may never be known, the United States Veterans Census of 1890 lists 3,273 Colored men who claimed to be Confederate veterans. Another 542 widows of Colored Confederate veterans were listed by the Census.[43 |
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No, it does. They just said on the news that the US flag is at half mast, but the CF is not. It's illegal to touch it. Quoted:
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I don't think it officially flys in Charleston. It may. What everyone is talking about and debating is the "Confederate Memorial" that's on the SC State House grounds here in Columbia. There is also an African American memorial, memorial for fallen police officers, etc..... No, it does. They just said on the news that the US flag is at half mast, but the CF is not. It's illegal to touch it. Because it's in a display capacity in a memorial on the grounds. It's. Not flying on top of the State House along with the U.S. and State flag. |
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Fuck no don't take it down... they'll just bitch about something else. Besides, it's my state's flag: http://www.patriotnewsalert.com/ms-flag.gif At least your state isn't a pussy like Georgia circa 2001. 
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Also, I've seen that discussions on this topic tend to bring out people with a profound level of ignorance and lack of understanding on the subject. I won't waste my time trying to discuss it with people who are stuck on transmit. Later... I've never in my life had this discussion. I'm all ears. |
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Ha! Getting your information from the TV news???
Where is this flag they are speaking of? There is one at the Confederate Veterans Memorial in Columbia. Other than that, I'm not aware of one in Charleston. Quoted:
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No, it does. They just said on the news that the US flag is at half mast, but the CF is not. It's illegal to touch it. Ha! Getting your information from the TV news???
Where is this flag they are speaking of? There is one at the Confederate Veterans Memorial in Columbia. Other than that, I'm not aware of one in Charleston. look it up. It's on the statehouse grounds. |
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Should the Nazi flag fly in Germany? Not saying they're the same thing, but history, right? Germany doesn't have the 1st amendment. Nazi's were evil, Confederates were not. You be trollin. This Use logic not emotion OP What does the first amendment have to do with history? |
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Quoted: At least your state isn't a pussy like Georgia circa 2001. Quoted: Quoted: Fuck no don't take it down... they'll just bitch about something else. Besides, it's my state's flag: http://www.patriotnewsalert.com/ms-flag.gif At least your state isn't a pussy like Georgia circa 2001. We voted on changing the flag back in the late 90's, the results were "HELL NO don't change the flag!" |
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That is part of the memorial. That flag does not fly in a place of sovereignty. You are being manipulated by the half truths of people trying to stir up trouble where there isn't any. Quoted:
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Are you going to go onto somebody's private property and take down their flag? Good luck with that - let me know how it works out. The Confederate flag used to fly over the State House under the American flag, but it was taken down years ago. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/charleston-church-shooting/south-carolinas-confederate-flag-not-lowered-half-mast-after-church-n378316 " In solemn tribute to the nine people gunned down at a Charleston church, two flags atop the statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina, were lowered to half-staff on Thursday. They will stay there for nine days in honor of each victim. But in a bewildering display, a Confederate flag on statehouse grounds is still flying high. It wasn't an oversight. It's because of state law. " That is part of the memorial. That flag does not fly in a place of sovereignty. You are being manipulated by the half truths of people trying to stir up trouble where there isn't any. I'm here asking questions. I voted for pie. I'm honestly curious. |
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Fuck no don't take it down... they'll just bitch about something else. Besides, it's my state's flag: http://www.patriotnewsalert.com/ms-flag.gif |