[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Fiat/Chrysler - GM merger (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/9/2015 6:14:29 AM EDT
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I think the idea is asinine.
Summary: Fiat approached GM, GM told them to get bent, now Fiat is lobbying hedge fund folks to get all activist and force GM to play ball. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chrysler-boss-recruits-activists-to-prod-gm-into-a-merger-1433806966 Trying to post hot links makes my phone browser crash. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0OP01L20150609?irpc=932 |
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It's on the internet so it's true. No link means its totally legit. Posting hot links makes my phone browser crash. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chrysler-boss-recruits-activists-to-prod-gm-into-a-merger-1433806966 I am so FUCKING tired of activists. 
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I am so FUCKING tired of activists. Quoted:
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It's on the internet so it's true. No link means its totally legit. Posting hot links makes my phone browser crash. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chrysler-boss-recruits-activists-to-prod-gm-into-a-merger-1433806966 I am so FUCKING tired of activists. FWIW, it's not #blacklivesmatter activists, it's #weown10percentofyourcompanydowhatwewant activists. |
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Not saying it's necessarily breaking news, saying Fiat isn't giving up on it, and I think it's dumb. Quoted:
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Old news... Not saying it's necessarily breaking news, saying Fiat isn't giving up on it, and I think it's dumb. Not just dumb, you can see when he is talking about it. FCAU for the last 3 months. 
As a vendor to the Automotive industry, I know new model projects as FCA have dramatically slowed this year. With his main talking point being development costs, and the apparent pullback in development FCA is doing, I see the end result being a company that is even further behind than it was before he started this. Just to show where they stand, I believe FCA is the largest auto company without any hybrid market presence. |
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Not just dumb, you can see when he is talking about it. FCAU for the last 3 months. <a href="http://s219.photobucket.com/user/harmanrk/media/FCAU_zps9svobio4.png.html" target="_blank">http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/harmanrk/FCAU_zps9svobio4.png</a> As a vendor to the Automotive industry, I know new model projects as FCA have dramatically slowed this year. With his main talking point being development costs, and the apparent pullback in development FCA is doing, I see the end result being a company that is even further behind than it was before he started this. Just to show where they stand, I believe FCA is the largest auto company without any hybrid market presence. Quoted:
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Old news... Not saying it's necessarily breaking news, saying Fiat isn't giving up on it, and I think it's dumb. Not just dumb, you can see when he is talking about it. FCAU for the last 3 months. <a href="http://s219.photobucket.com/user/harmanrk/media/FCAU_zps9svobio4.png.html" target="_blank">http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc41/harmanrk/FCAU_zps9svobio4.png</a> As a vendor to the Automotive industry, I know new model projects as FCA have dramatically slowed this year. With his main talking point being development costs, and the apparent pullback in development FCA is doing, I see the end result being a company that is even further behind than it was before he started this. Just to show where they stand, I believe FCA is the largest auto company without any hybrid market presence. Wat |
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market.
Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. 
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market. Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. http://aitbudapest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-09-21/abarth-500c-et-punto-evo-en-avance_2.jpg ARF hates all things that arent Toyota. |
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market. Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. http://aitbudapest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-09-21/abarth-500c-et-punto-evo-en-avance_2.jpg My apologies, but in America, some of us still have dicks and act like men. |
| As a Mopar guy I would rather Chrysler die than have another merger. Diamler and then Fiat mergers didn't help the brand. Need to sell to out to someone who loves the heritage and automobiles of the company and quit trying to be all things to all people. Hyundai built a car company from scratch in less time than Chrysler has been trying to reinvent itself. YMMV. |
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My apologies, but in America, some of us still have dicks and act like men. Quoted:
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market. Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. http://aitbudapest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-09-21/abarth-500c-et-punto-evo-en-avance_2.jpg My apologies, but in America, some of us still have dicks and act like men. That's true, nothing says giant cock like a brodozer and ed hardy t-shirts. |
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market. Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. http://aitbudapest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-09-21/abarth-500c-et-punto-evo-en-avance_2.jpg The brand has an image problem in the USA. Its doesn't have to make sense, it is what it is. |
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market. Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. http://aitbudapest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-09-21/abarth-500c-et-punto-evo-en-avance_2.jpg That POS is a slug compared to the competition, look at the numbers. |
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I think the idea is asinine. Summary: Fiat approached GM, GM told them to get bent, now Fiat is lobbying hedge fund folks to get all activist and force GM to play ball. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chrysler-boss-recruits-activists-to-prod-gm-into-a-merger-1433806966 Trying to post hot links makes my phone browser crash. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0OP01L20150609?irpc=932 I work for a major part supplier and this has been going on for a while. GM knows Fiat/Chrysler is behind as far as meeting upcoming emissions regulations. Another bout like 2008-2009 would do Chrysler in. |
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It's on the internet so it's true. No link means its totally legit. Posting hot links makes my phone browser crash. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chrysler-boss-recruits-activists-to-prod-gm-into-a-merger-1433806966 is it a Iphone |
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I work for a major part supplier and this has been going on for a while. GM knows Fiat/Chrysler is behind as far as meeting upcoming emissions regulations. Another bout like 2008-2009 would do Chrysler in. Quoted:
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I think the idea is asinine. Summary: Fiat approached GM, GM told them to get bent, now Fiat is lobbying hedge fund folks to get all activist and force GM to play ball. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chrysler-boss-recruits-activists-to-prod-gm-into-a-merger-1433806966 Trying to post hot links makes my phone browser crash. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0OP01L20150609?irpc=932 I work for a major part supplier and this has been going on for a while. GM knows Fiat/Chrysler is behind as far as meeting upcoming emissions regulations. Another bout like 2008-2009 would do Chrysler in. There is a rumor some of their stuff have reached their limits as far as meeting, or being able to meet crash standards. Basically, their platforms are ancient as fuck and have reached their band aid limit on meeting standards. |
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 funny, all of my Ram trucks have been flawless.  Quoted:
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oh good, my ram trucks will now become have always been shit.   Fixt funny, all of my Ram trucks have been flawless. Well that settles it then. We should just ignore stats such as issues per thousand vehicles because your trucks have been good 
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I just hope someone buys Jeep. I don't care about the rest. This. And I hope it isn't GM. I'll be a Jeep owner for life as long as they don't fuck things up... ETA What happens if two "too big to fail" companies merge? Does that make them "way too big to fail"? That'd be one hell of a bailout... |
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There has only been one American "car company" worthy of the name for at least a decade now, and they aren't mentioned in this article. Quoted:
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So goodbye big 3 hello big 2? There has only been one American "car company" worthy of the name for at least a decade now, and they aren't mentioned in this article. Yeah, Ford really is on the top of their game. It only took them 15 years to beat the LS1 with the Coyote, stock for stock. They eventually went with IRS on the Mustang again. Changing turbodiesels every 2-3 years through the 2000's because they couldn't hold themselves together was pretty cool--diversity is the spice of life. A run of non-superduty F250's with 7-lug axles was an awesome move. |
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Well that settles it then. We should just ignore stats such as issues per thousand vehicles because your trucks have been good
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oh good, my ram trucks will now become have always been shit. Fixt funny, all of my Ram trucks have been flawless. Well that settles it then. We should just ignore stats such as issues per thousand vehicles because your trucks have been good
Ram beats Ford and Chev in that stat, just looked it up. I searched 2010 & 2013, same results. |
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Posting hot links makes my phone browser crash. http://www.wsj.com/articles/chrysler-boss-recruits-activists-to-prod-gm-into-a-merger-1433806966 is it a Iphone Yes. I get the popup for the hot link, paste the address, then it closes my whole browser instead of the popup. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Ram beats Ford and Chev in that stat, just looked it up. I searched 2010 & 2013, same results. Quoted:
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oh good, my ram trucks will now become have always been shit. Fixt funny, all of my Ram trucks have been flawless. Well that settles it then. We should just ignore stats such as issues per thousand vehicles because your trucks have been good
Ram beats Ford and Chev in that stat, just looked it up. I searched 2010 & 2013, same results. No, they did not beat Chevy Here's 2015 
Here's 2014 
Edit: so they did better in 2013, but they sucked in 2011, 2012, 2014. And ram wasn't around in 2010, but Dodge was and they sucked then too. Nice job of cherry picking data though. Do you happen to have a job with them? 
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market. Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. http://aitbudapest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-09-21/abarth-500c-et-punto-evo-en-avance_2.jpg because they turn out garbage compared to Honda, Toyota, Subaru, and Fordeveryone else. read the hate for the Dart which is the biggest turd since the Reliant K. its a fucking Fiat. eta Jesus worse than land rover! |
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The brand has an image problem in the USA. Its doesn't have to make sense, it is what it is. Quoted:
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Dont really understand the Fiat hate, this isnt the 1970's anymore. As far as I hear from the people who drive them here they are a great bang for the buck and as reliable as any car on the market. Besides that the in house tuned Abarth models just feel special if you like a good handeling FWD car. http://aitbudapest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-09-21/abarth-500c-et-punto-evo-en-avance_2.jpg The brand has an image problem in the USA. Its doesn't have to make sense, it is what it is. Fix It Again Tony. |
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Giving Chrysler to Fiat was a wonderful idea.
My guess is that it will get sold to the Chinese or Indians (dot not feather). The best asset Chrysler offers them is an established presence in the US market with a dealership network. Jeep and the pickup truck divisions will probably continue to be of value but the automobile division has been a drag for quite awhile. New Asian owners will add their own lines like Fiat thought they were going to do with the Fiat 500 (the Obama-car no one here wanted). Just my WAGs.
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Yeah, Ford really is on the top of their game. It only took them 15 years to beat the LS1 with the Coyote, stock for stock. They eventually went with IRS on the Mustang again. Changing turbodiesels every 2-3 years through the 2000's because they couldn't hold themselves together was pretty cool--diversity is the spice of life. A run of non-superduty F250's with 7-lug axles was an awesome move. Quoted:
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So goodbye big 3 hello big 2? There has only been one American "car company" worthy of the name for at least a decade now, and they aren't mentioned in this article. Yeah, Ford really is on the top of their game. It only took them 15 years to beat the LS1 with the Coyote, stock for stock. They eventually went with IRS on the Mustang again. Changing turbodiesels every 2-3 years through the 2000's because they couldn't hold themselves together was pretty cool--diversity is the spice of life. A run of non-superduty F250's with 7-lug axles was an awesome move. Changing diesels every 2-3 years? From 99-03.5 there was the 7.3 followed by the 6.0 from 03.5 to 07. The 6.4 picked up from 08-10 and the 6.7 has been running strong since then. Problems aside, they still sold, and continue to sell, more trucks and GM and Ram. |
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Giving Chrysler to Fiat was a wonderful idea.
My guess is that it will get sold to the Chinese or Indians (dot not feather). The best asset Chrysler offers them is an established presence in the US market with a dealership network. Jeep and the pickup truck divisions will probably continue to be of value but the automobile division has been a drag for quite awhile. New Asian owners will add their own lines like Fiat thought they were going to do with the Fiat 500 (the Obama-car no one here wanted). Just my WAGs. Jeep is not what it used to be, and Ram trucks are the cheapest built POS vehicles out there. If not for Cummins Ram would have no relevance in the market what so ever. |