[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Kiss this range goodbye... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/23/2015 11:10:55 PM EDT
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I shoot at this range when I'm out at my parents. Shot here for over 20 years. And looks like it will close->
http://www.timesleader.com/news/local-news-news/153614279/ Very nice area that has seen a lot of new houses built along the edge of the State Gamelands. And some, who I take it, are not happy about their proximity to a rifle range. This is a death blow to this range. PAGC will not spend money to fight it. I know the Game Commission will do lead mitigation, and never reopen the range. Sad news. |
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Sounds like even the EPA and DEP doesn't really think lead in the runoff is a problem, but this simple-minded shitweasel has been such a goddamned hemorrhoidal pain in the ass to everyone involved that they're doing something just to shut him the fuck up. And why? Because he is too fucking stupid to understand the difference in density and buoyancy between a foam earplug and lead shot. "Before long we’re standing next to Arnold Creek with an unbelievable amount of flow and, like I said, right there is a foamy earplug that had made its way from the range,” Oh for fucks sake. |
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Just looked up this guys property. Purchased 07/01/2009, 58.22 acres abutting the Game Lands. Meaning he will never have neighbors. When he gets the range closed, there will be no vehicle traffic either. Cocksucker. Post up more details. I'm curious; what did he pay for that? |
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Guy seems like a douche.
Working with permitting involving streams, DEP, and general permits I will say this: You do NOT fuck with a wild trout stream in PA. They are heavily protected and carefully monitored. If they can trace any elevated lead level back to that range (i.e. tests upstream of water quality have less lead or contaminants), then that range will be gone for good. |
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Sounds like even the EPA and DEP doesn't really think lead in the runoff is a problem, but this simple-minded shitweasel has been such a goddamned hemorrhoidal pain in the ass to everyone involved that they're doing something just to shut him the fuck up. And why? Because he is too fucking stupid to understand the difference in density and buoyancy between a foam earplug and lead shot. "Before long we’re standing next to Arnold Creek with an unbelievable amount of flow and, like I said, right there is a foamy earplug that had made its way from the range,” Oh for fucks sake. +1 He sounds like a narcissistic piece of shit. He should stay home and keep busy sucking off his boyfriend. |
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The base shotgun range was closed because an anti-gun Admiral and Captain went this route. The shotgun range sits on bedrock, clay and topsoil. Base environmental was concerned that the lead from the range MIGHT contaminate the groundwater. Spent a lot of money for a study, results said that there was no chance of lead contaminating the ground water. Further, they said that remediation would probably cause more problems than if it were left in place. The state and the EPA agreed with them. The Admiral closed the range anyways.  |
| OP, several years back I read about a similar situation in Virginia. Enviros trying to shut down a old (I believe it was on federal land) shooting range, yacking about poisoning the ground water. Some staff at the University of Va. came out and did testing for lead leached from this old range. What they found was zero ground water leaching because as soon as lead is exposed to oxygen in air and soil it immediately encases itself in oxide. Ever see an old civil war mini ball. They are entombed in this stuff. Seem to recall the could not find leached lead within inches of excavated projectiles that had been buried for decades. Maybe those interested in fighting this can find this research? |
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OP, several years back I read about a similar situation in Virginia. Enviros trying to shut down a old (I believe it was on federal land) shooting range, yacking about poisoning the ground water. Some staff at the University of Va. came out and did testing for lead leached from this old range. What they found was zero ground water leaching because as soon as lead is exposed to oxygen in air and soil it immediately encases itself in oxide. Ever see an old civil war mini ball. They are entombed in this stuff. Seem to recall the could not find leached lead within inches of excavated projectiles that had been buried for decades. Maybe those interested in fighting this can find this research? That's so obvious, yet overlooked, you would think every range could use this data 
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Jackass moves next to range, sicks EPA Nazis on range to get it closed. Nice, stay classy guy. Im a member at a private MX club (est.1968) that has one of the best facilities in RI, MA, CT. Retards do this all the time. Im here. Now I must close the MX track. I'm waiting for them to do the EPA thing. |
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5,769.12 in taxes on 58 acres. I will take my private range in Podunctville over that any day.  Check with the local tax assessor....he may have the property being taxed as "agricultural". I'd suggest that since the range is being closed, his property needs to be assessed as "Residential". That would give douchebag a triple/quadruple tax ass fucking. |
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Check with the local tax assessor....he may have the property being taxed as "agricultural". I'd suggest that since the range is being closed, his property needs to be assessed as "Residential". That would give douchebag a triple/quadruple tax ass fucking. Quoted:
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5,769.12 in taxes on 58 acres. I will take my private range in Podunctville over that any day. Check with the local tax assessor....he may have the property being taxed as "agricultural". I'd suggest that since the range is being closed, his property needs to be assessed as "Residential". That would give douchebag a triple/quadruple tax ass fucking. Ha. His property does have some exemptions. Homestead and conservation. And it is zoned for agriculture. |
| Same thing happened near my parents house. There was a range that was open since the 1940's. Sometime in the early 2000's Some developer bought the land next to it and put in a subdivision with houses from 750k-2M. Within 2 years they had the range shut down. First they tried the noise route but it wasn't near any city limits and there was no noise ordinance. Then they went the EPA/DEC route. Fuckers move somewhere that has been in place for 60+ years and then expect everyone to conform to them. Fuckers can fuck off and die. |
| My range, established in the '30s, is now surrounded by suburbia. I feel that it is probably not too long until somebody raises a stink and tries to get us closed down. We want to be proactive, but on the other hand many members are reluctant to involve the man in our business. |
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Quoted: South Carolina passed legislation 10+ years ago to protect ranges from this shit. It works. |
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Jackass moves next to range, sicks EPA Nazis on range to get it closed. Nice, stay classy guy. As long as the range hasn't impacted surface water (clean water act) and they follow best management practices the EPA can't do much to an active range. BMP |
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The base shotgun range was closed because an anti-gun Admiral and Captain went this route. The shotgun range sits on bedrock, clay and topsoil. Base environmental was concerned that the lead from the range MIGHT contaminate the groundwater. Spent a lot of money for a study, results said that there was no chance of lead contaminating the ground water. Further, they said that remediation would probably cause more problems than if it were left in place. The state and the EPA agreed with them. The Admiral closed the range anyways.
Bad idea. If the range is active no clean-up is required if they do anything to maintain it. Once it is closed the EPA and State can require clean-up. |
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That's so obvious, yet overlooked, you would think every range could use this data Quoted:
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OP, several years back I read about a similar situation in Virginia. Enviros trying to shut down a old (I believe it was on federal land) shooting range, yacking about poisoning the ground water. Some staff at the University of Va. came out and did testing for lead leached from this old range. What they found was zero ground water leaching because as soon as lead is exposed to oxygen in air and soil it immediately encases itself in oxide. Ever see an old civil war mini ball. They are entombed in this stuff. Seem to recall the could not find leached lead within inches of excavated projectiles that had been buried for decades. Maybe those interested in fighting this can find this research? That's so obvious, yet overlooked, you would think every range could use this data True. Off-site migration usually occurs via sediment washed off the range. |
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Sounds like even the EPA and DEP doesn't really think lead in the runoff is a problem, but this simple-minded shitweasel has been such a goddamned hemorrhoidal pain in the ass to everyone involved that they're doing something just to shut him the fuck up. And why? Because he is too fucking stupid to understand the difference in density and buoyancy between a foam earplug and lead shot. "Before long we’re standing next to Arnold Creek with an unbelievable amount of flow and, like I said, right there is a foamy earplug that had made its way from the range,” Oh for fucks sake. He has never been talked to with a taser and a phone book. He can't help but be an asshole - he doesn't know any better. |
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He has never been talked to with a taser and a phone book. He can't help but be an asshole - he doesn't know any better. Quoted:
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Sounds like even the EPA and DEP doesn't really think lead in the runoff is a problem, but this simple-minded shitweasel has been such a goddamned hemorrhoidal pain in the ass to everyone involved that they're doing something just to shut him the fuck up. And why? Because he is too fucking stupid to understand the difference in density and buoyancy between a foam earplug and lead shot. "Before long we’re standing next to Arnold Creek with an unbelievable amount of flow and, like I said, right there is a foamy earplug that had made its way from the range,” Oh for fucks sake. He has never been talked to with a taser and a phone book. He can't help but be an asshole - he doesn't know any better. I would bet money that the guy shoots on his property. |
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I would bet money that the guy shoots on his property. Quoted:
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Sounds like even the EPA and DEP doesn't really think lead in the runoff is a problem, but this simple-minded shitweasel has been such a goddamned hemorrhoidal pain in the ass to everyone involved that they're doing something just to shut him the fuck up. And why? Because he is too fucking stupid to understand the difference in density and buoyancy between a foam earplug and lead shot. "Before long we’re standing next to Arnold Creek with an unbelievable amount of flow and, like I said, right there is a foamy earplug that had made its way from the range,” Oh for fucks sake. He has never been talked to with a taser and a phone book. He can't help but be an asshole - he doesn't know any better. I would bet money that the guy shoots on his property. yup wants to deer hunt next year without shooting scaring away the game |
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OP, several years back I read about a similar situation in Virginia. Enviros trying to shut down a old (I believe it was on federal land) shooting range, yacking about poisoning the ground water. Some staff at the University of Va. came out and did testing for lead leached from this old range. What they found was zero ground water leaching because as soon as lead is exposed to oxygen in air and soil it immediately encases itself in oxide. Ever see an old civil war mini ball. They are entombed in this stuff. Seem to recall the could not find leached lead within inches of excavated projectiles that had been buried for decades. Maybe those interested in fighting this can find this research? This is already well-established science. Adding some lime will further alkalinize the soil, fixing any lead oxide, hydroxide or carbonate even further. It's not going anywhere. The guy is being an asshole. |
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Reading the article, this dick is concerned about groundwater contamination because a stream is running past his property coming from the range.
Ok, most eastern streams are what is known as gaining streams. Groundwater flow is TOWARD the stream, not from it. So, if there is lead in his well, it almost certainly isn't from the range. |
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In our area a very popular range was ordered to shut down by the county. One of the primary complainers is a person living next to the range who shoots on his own property at all hours, but complains when the range is operating. He even joined an LLC that was formed specifically to petition the court to continually harass the range.
Right now the range is not allowed to have any shooting even though they are protected by grandfather status nearly a hundred years old that exempts them from regulation by the county or state. More States need to adopt range protection laws http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/local-news/judge-rules-gun-club-can-be-shut-down_64909181 |
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If the lead contamination angle doesn't work, he will claim his house is hit by stray bullets. I've heard that lie before. Some fuckstain built a $250k house on the mountain where I live, and couldn't handle the gunfire. When my buddies come out, it's not unusual for upwards of 5k rounds to be fired in a day. The sheriff's dept showed up right after we had quit shooting for the day. The aforementioned fuckstains told the sheriff's dept we had shot their house. The officers said they visited the complainer first, and no sign of impacted rounds were visible. I asked who called, he said that he wasn't supposed to tell me, but he did nod his head toward the fuckstain's house. Point is, dumbfuck liberals will do or say anything to force their way of life on everyone else. |
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Reading the article, this dick is concerned about groundwater contamination because a stream is running past his property coming from the range. Ok, most eastern streams are what is known as gaining streams. Groundwater flow is TOWARD the stream, not from it. So, if there is lead in his well, it almost certainly isn't from the range. In PA the lead could be naturally occuring. There should be several studies available from the state that determine the background concentrations. |