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4/21/2015 10:37:40 PM EDT
Besides that the least expensive one has a bitchin Stainless steel barrel made by FN, can someone explain this? Same handguard, everything.. I think BCM is private labeled by the same manufacture.  Just seems, shall we say, odd.



 ($715)

 ($329)

BCM
PSA
4/21/2015 10:40:41 PM EDT
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IBPSAhate
4/21/2015 10:41:44 PM EDT
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Meh could be some PSA hate here, but I vote with my pocketbook
Don't get me wrong, I love me some BCM, but come on, stainless steel and 60% cheaper? same upper?
4/21/2015 10:43:12 PM EDT
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I can grab any stripped upper and a random barrel. Pair that with the Midwest rail.

And it would look like that.

Now.. your point?

Are you trying to compare brands?

How bout QC, Higher standards, and known for more reliability.

Which one do you think I'm talking about.

4/21/2015 10:43:25 PM EDT
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You pay more for faster shipping and better customer service.

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4/21/2015 10:44:25 PM EDT
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Sooo, you're saying you would pay 400$ more to have it 4 days earlier? Damn you must have some DEEEEP pockets
4/21/2015 10:44:56 PM EDT
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I do believe that BCM offers a unique bolt carrier group, I.e. Not what many others vendors relabel as their own.

That's having been said, I'm waiting for the day somebody finally spills the beans and reveals who makes whose barrels and BCG's
4/21/2015 10:45:07 PM EDT
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I can grab any stripped upper and a random barrel. Pair that with the Midwest rail.

And it would look like that.

Now.. your point?

Are you trying to compare brands?

How bout QC, Higher standards, and known for more reliability.

Which one do you think I'm talking about.

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Could be, they are the same uppers is what I'm stating.
4/21/2015 10:45:29 PM EDT
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I do believe that BCM offers a unique bolt carrier group, I.e. Not what many others vendors relabel as their own.

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NO BCG with either upper
4/21/2015 10:46:22 PM EDT
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Not to mention, you linked the psa upper to their freedom line. Isn't that a step above ptac?

Are those particular barrels even made by FN? Didn't see it. I know they're premium  line is. With that being said, if the uppers are about the same, why does psa have 3 different AR lines?
4/21/2015 10:47:09 PM EDT
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.
4/21/2015 10:47:26 PM EDT
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I'd by the PSA.  All of my PSA uppers seem to have better quality than I ever expected.

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4/21/2015 10:48:16 PM EDT
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That's having been said, I'm waiting for the day somebody finally spills the beans and reveals who makes whose barrels and BCG's



NO BCG with either upper


700 and no BCG?  Hell no.

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4/21/2015 10:48:57 PM EDT
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I'm not knocking psa. I have uppers from them and BCM.


But, the only thing OP knows for a fact the two uppers have in common, is a rail.

That's real retarded,  sir.
4/21/2015 10:49:35 PM EDT
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It's an off the shelf rail so I don't really understand why this is noteworthy. Two companies decide to use said off the shelf rail on an upper with a barrel of similar length and it's supposed to imply something? Neither of them make any of the parts themselves as far as I know. I mean BCM's pricing is laughable for that upper, but I don't understand what the big deal is. Is it that BCM is woefully overpriced or that one retailer is copying the other?



 
4/21/2015 10:49:42 PM EDT
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Yeah a lot of us were like you once.

Never again.
4/21/2015 10:50:21 PM EDT
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That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.
4/21/2015 10:50:35 PM EDT
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I have that exact BCM upper/handguard in 14.7 pinned.
4/21/2015 10:50:54 PM EDT
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NO BCG with either upper




700 and no BCG?  Hell no.



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4/21/2015 10:51:00 PM EDT
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There is a ton of over priced stuff in the AR market .... a lot of manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves.
Not siding w PSA ... their customer service sucks and ill never go there again but I also never buy from places that obviously  over charge.
And the biggest rip off I see from everyone is shipping
4/21/2015 10:52:42 PM EDT
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I have a BCM upper and it came with a BCG and a charging handle. I got it for less than that too.
4/21/2015 10:53:34 PM EDT
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Hahahah. no
4/21/2015 10:53:41 PM EDT
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That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.



proof?
4/21/2015 10:55:20 PM EDT
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I'm not knocking psa. I have uppers from them and BCM.


But, the only thing OP knows for a fact the two uppers have in common, is a rail.

That's real retarded,  sir.
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Well.. Retarded, No .
.. same forge, 7075 Aluminum,  anodizing, A2 Flash hider. That leaves the barrel?  Who makes BCM barrels
4/21/2015 10:55:26 PM EDT
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That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.



ONLY PREMIUM  LINE IS FN.

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4/21/2015 10:56:07 PM EDT
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Not to mention, you linked the psa upper to their freedom line. Isn't that a step above ptac?

Are those particular barrels even made by FN? Didn't see it. I know they're premium  line is. With that being said, if the uppers are about the same, why does psa have 3 different AR lines?
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Same reason Chevy used to do the Biscayne, Bel Aire and Impala?
4/21/2015 10:56:25 PM EDT
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.



proof?



It will come out someday.
4/21/2015 10:57:02 PM EDT
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ONLY PREMIUM  LINE IS FN.

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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.



ONLY PREMIUM  LINE IS FN.

log off. Don't log back on.

Proof?
4/21/2015 10:58:06 PM EDT
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.



proof?



It will come out someday.


Not likely since it isn't true.
4/21/2015 10:59:00 PM EDT
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More than 2x the cost?








Oh, and
4/21/2015 10:59:10 PM EDT
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That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.


That's typical of flat top uppers with M4 feed ramps.  It's just that not everyone does it.
4/21/2015 11:00:51 PM EDT
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.



proof?



It will come out someday.


Not likely since it isn't true.

Do you have first hand experience since your in SC? No Sarcasm here, I'm interested.
I'm not bagging on BCM, GREAT company for sure!  I'm just questioning and comparing two comparable uppers and seeing a smoking deal on PSA, and I'm not a PSA Homer.  I have 1 PSA only. I predominately run my LMT, Mega, Stag, and Colt . I'm just shopping around for a best bang for the buck upper for a friend.
4/21/2015 11:01:47 PM EDT
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.



ONLY PREMIUM  LINE IS FN.

log off. Don't log back on.

Proof?



Product description.  Reading is fundamental
4/21/2015 11:04:41 PM EDT
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When did that become fashionable exactly?  I remember when people who stated a negative incident were called liars at one point.
4/21/2015 11:07:00 PM EDT
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I'm just amazed the OP found anything in stock at BCM



(Not hating on BCM, just bewildered that everytime I go to buy something from them, it's out of stock)
4/21/2015 11:08:33 PM EDT
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Why make claims if you have no proof? The pictured upper isn't even psa premium

So to recap, on the BCM, you get better parts, better quality control,  better customer service, and faster shipping.

You can add a bcm ch and bcg for $70 (find me a cheaper price) plus a free mod 0 comp

Sounds like $400 well spent to me
4/21/2015 11:12:55 PM EDT
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Yep.
4/21/2015 11:13:43 PM EDT
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In on a PSA VS BCM thread.




4/21/2015 11:14:00 PM EDT
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PSA. Worse comes to worst, you could sell the barrel and still come out ahead
4/21/2015 11:16:07 PM EDT
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True, sell it for $100 and now you would have $500 for a Krieger match barrel and STILL  have $120 left
4/21/2015 11:25:49 PM EDT
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Those uppers are how I prefer rifles. Pencil barrel, slim handguard. Clean, light effective. I had a clone of the BCM upper that I sold to my brother. PSA blem upper, BCM 16 pencil, SSK. Under 6lbs with irons.
4/21/2015 11:27:16 PM EDT
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there's a sucker born every minute
4/21/2015 11:30:20 PM EDT
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I am comfortable with the choices I make. I hope you are too.




4/21/2015 11:31:15 PM EDT
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True, sell it for $100 and now you would have $500 for a Krieger match barrel and STILL  have $120 left
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True, sell it for $100 and now you would have $500 for a Krieger match barrel and STILL  have $120 left


Bingo. I built my 12.5" upper for the same money as the BCM and it's got a Noveske barrel and that same MI rail. And that included the BCG
4/21/2015 11:43:31 PM EDT
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I'm all for a good deal, but something doesn't seem right with that PSA upper. The rail alone is $200, so the upper, stainless barrel, gas tube, gas block, crush washer, and A2 are only $129? I know PSA doesn't pay full price for the MI rail but you can see the point I'm trying to make. I have no qualms with PSA, though I currently do not own any of their AR parts.
4/21/2015 11:44:18 PM EDT
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Why make claims if you have no proof? The pictured upper isn't even psa premium

So to recap, on the BCM, you get better parts, better quality control,  better customer service, and faster shipping.

You can add a bcm ch and bcg for $70 (find me a cheaper price) plus a free mod 0 comp

Sounds like $400 well spent to me
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Why make claims if you have no proof? The pictured upper isn't even psa premium

So to recap, on the BCM, you get better parts, better quality control,  better customer service, and faster shipping.

You can add a bcm ch and bcg for $70 (find me a cheaper price) plus a free mod 0 comp

Sounds like $400 well spent to me

To each his own I suppose

I'm happy with my PSA premium and freedom uppers
4/21/2015 11:44:45 PM EDT
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There was a lengthy thread in the AR Discussion forum about who makes the CHF barrels for which brands. It was pretty exhaustive.

Let me see if I can find a link.
4/21/2015 11:45:12 PM EDT
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My buddy ordered it.  I will resolve this with a range report in a few weeks.  How's that sound?  I think he got a great deal for the upper considering slim stainless barrel, handguard and non blem upper.
4/21/2015 11:45:45 PM EDT
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I read through it. CHF is FN and Freedom is thought to be Wilson. Question is who makes BCM's  CHF barrels since I think there are very few (5 perhaps) machines due to the expense.

ETA wrong thread I read. I'm interested to see it if you can find it.
4/21/2015 11:47:53 PM EDT
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That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.
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Say what you will but ive never had a problem with PSA or any of their products.


That's is due to the fact the are made by FN.  Ever wonder why PSA sells so many Blems?   Buddy just got one in a month ago (blem upper) it's marked M4 at the front of the upper. . FN sells the blems of the government contracted M4's to PSA.

Are you sure it isn't because it's got M4 feed ramps?
4/21/2015 11:47:55 PM EDT
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The real difference is:  One will ship next day when ordered.  The other will ship two weeks later.





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