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4/17/2015 11:45:33 PM EDT
Please help me get this cool old rifle working again. It's a Pre-64 Marlin Model 60. The high speed video shows the empty case not making it cleanly out of the receiver. What can I do to get this rifle cycling well? Bear in mind, it only cost me $100 to begin with.


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4/17/2015 11:50:41 PM EDT
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OST just in case my Model 60 starts doing this.
4/17/2015 11:54:12 PM EDT
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clean it
4/17/2015 11:56:17 PM EDT
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Ejector may be worn.
4/18/2015 12:00:29 AM EDT
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It is clean and lightly lubed. All parts move smoothly.
4/18/2015 12:02:00 AM EDT
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Possible, bit it doesn't look that way. Threads in other forums recommend bending the ejector but this is the earlier solid type, not the stamped type seen in later models.
4/18/2015 12:02:48 AM EDT
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I think that the ejector pin (it can be a spring end or a stamped pin end)  on that rifle is missing, broken,  or bent out of line.

The extraction looks good.

The ejection looks crappy.

I like your high-speed vids.

4/18/2015 12:06:11 AM EDT
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It looks like the extractor is releasing the case before the case hits the ejector.
Make sure the hook on the extractor us sharp and square to the case rim. And check the extractor isn't bound up with dirt and the extractor spring is good.
4/18/2015 12:08:22 AM EDT
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Most old 22s I've come across with problems are usually just dirty dirty.

22 used to be super plentiful and cheap. People would shoot the shit out it day and night.

I'd completely break down the bolt and remove every pin, spring part you can and detail clean it.

Failing that, try a new extractor and extractor spring.
4/18/2015 12:10:36 AM EDT
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Don't replace parts just yet.

Clean the chamber.  Rough or dirty chamber can make extraction difficult.
Clean the bolt and the receiver.  If they're dirty, they can retard the rearward movement of the bolt.
Change the ammo.  Low power ammo may not push the bolt back enough.
Change the ammo. Too high power and the bolt is moving fast for the parts to function.
Clean the spring that controls the bolt's movement.  If that's dirty, it can be performing sluggishly.
4/18/2015 12:11:36 AM EDT
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I finally had to take my Marlin 39 to be cleaned at the component level. After over 30 years and gazillion rounds.  Those tiny flakes of sheared cases and powder just eventually gunk up the intricate and complicated action.
4/18/2015 12:17:09 AM EDT
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I'm going with a weak extractor spring.
4/18/2015 12:19:31 AM EDT
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peened chamber.. needs ironed out..
4/18/2015 12:20:22 AM EDT
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(OK, finally watched the vid).  Besides everything else I suggested, clean the ejector.  It's extracting but not ejecting.
4/18/2015 12:24:55 AM EDT
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It is clean and lightly lubed. All parts move smoothly.

It may not be as clean as you think.

It could well be a worn ejector, but it could also be a dirty chamber. IIRC, the ejector is part of the trigger group and it's not worth the cost to replace it.

Get a .25 caliber pistol copper pistol brush. Disassemble the rifle and push your rifle rod through the bore. Attach the .25 brush in the receiver, then pull it into the chamber and turn it for several minutes. Swap the brush for a jag and clean the chamber with your favorite stuff. If the patches are filthy, use the .25 caliber brush in the chamber again.

This may not correct the problem. I've done it to plenty of old .22 rifles and it did. It also works on shotguns, should you ever have a problem with an old one.

If it doesn't work, you're out the cost of a bore brush and twenty minutes' scrubbing.

Best of luck.
4/18/2015 12:28:21 AM EDT
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Or, to add to Bama, the extractor hook is dirty or has worn so it is no longer the right shape.

A detail cleaning of all the bolt parts is in order along with looking for burrs or wear that need to be fixed.
4/18/2015 1:15:02 AM EDT
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make sure the paperclip looking thing (ejector?) is Nickel high, nickel wide.  Cured my problem.



4/18/2015 1:17:51 AM EDT
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Well done, new guy. I'm happy to say that I approved your pictures.
4/18/2015 2:14:48 AM EDT
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When dealing with old Marlins, Glenfields & Mossbergs, about 80% of ejection issues is actually due to a worn extractor letting go of the case too soon.  If the issue continues after a good teardown/cleaning, replace the extractor.

MLG
4/18/2015 10:14:38 AM EDT
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make sure the paperclip looking thing (ejector?) is Nickel high, nickel wide.  Cured my problem.

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That's the new style of wire ejector. Mine is the old style.
4/18/2015 10:23:40 AM EDT
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How clean is the chamber? Does a 22 drop in and out with zero force or stickiness?
4/18/2015 10:29:15 AM EDT
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If you film it again, put some tape on the stock with metered marks. You want to make sure that the bolt is going back to max each time.
4/18/2015 10:31:22 AM EDT
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make sure the paperclip looking thing (ejector?) is Nickel high, nickel wide.  Cured my problem.



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Yep!

 
My brothers model 60 was failing to eject.

I told him about the nickle test and that that solved his problem also.
4/18/2015 10:45:21 AM EDT
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make sure the paperclip looking thing (ejector?) is Nickel high, nickel wide.  Cured my problem.

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Came here to post this, it fixes the most common problem with the Marlin 60.

LC
4/18/2015 11:31:57 AM EDT
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I'll check when I get home. This and a weak/worn/dirty extractor seem to be the most likely explanations.
4/18/2015 11:32:30 AM EDT
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Will do. Good call.
4/18/2015 11:37:01 AM EDT
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I'll check when I get home. This and a weak/worn/dirty extractor seem to be the most likely explanations.
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I'll check when I get home. This and a weak/worn/dirty extractor seem to be the most likely explanations.

It is extracting.  The shell isn't ejecting.
4/18/2015 12:17:58 PM EDT
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It is extracting.  The shell isn't ejecting.
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I'll check when I get home. This and a weak/worn/dirty extractor seem to be the most likely explanations.

It is extracting.  The shell isn't ejecting.


The theory above is that there may be too little tension on the extractor so the ejector doesn't lever the case out hard enough.
4/18/2015 12:25:29 PM EDT
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I have 5 Marlin 60 / Glenfields.

They all do that when they get really dirty.All did that when I bought them.

You say it is clean and oiled, but have you completely torn it down and cleaned it or just cleaned what you could leaving it assembled.


You bought it used, that thing has probably not been stripped and cleaned in decades.
4/18/2015 12:27:19 PM EDT
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are you shooting federal ammo by any chance?
4/18/2015 1:36:27 PM EDT
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The problem occurs with Federal high velocity bulk pack, CCI Minimags, and CCI Standard Velocity.
4/18/2015 3:01:16 PM EDT
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The problem occurs with Federal high velocity bulk pack, CCI Minimags, and CCI Standard Velocity.
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The problem occurs with Federal high velocity bulk pack, CCI Minimags, and CCI Standard Velocity.

federals give my guns problems.  Smith says it is the shape of the rim on the cartridge, tuned the extractor and no more problems.