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3/30/2015 2:42:59 PM EDT
For all in tents and porpoises, let's say there is zero wind on the range.

Your zeroed at 100 yards, your shot is 4" low at 400.

Each click= 1/4 moa.

Do you adjust your scope so that you are 4" high at 100 (16 clicks)
Or do you only adjust up 4 clicks?

Eta

Your target is not on a treadmill.
Nor are there any magnets on the range
And you were not blind the whole time


Oh and you are using the gun from heat




3/30/2015 2:50:09 PM EDT
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4 clicks, as that would equal 4" at 400 yards.  4" at 100 yards would be x4 at 400.  

think about a right triangle, bottom leg is line of sight through the scope, top leg is line of the bore of the barrel, and the verticle leg is the target.  MOA = the angle between the two legs.  distance to target is the length of the bottom leg.
3/30/2015 2:53:02 PM EDT
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4 clicks, as that would equal 4" at 400 yards.
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About. Then shoot it to make sure.
3/30/2015 2:53:08 PM EDT
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This^^^^^^^^^^1" at 100 equals 4"at 400......
3/30/2015 2:53:31 PM EDT
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4 clicks, as that would equal 4" at 400 yards.


This^^^^^^^^^^1" at 100 equals 4"at 400......


ish...
3/30/2015 3:01:23 PM EDT
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400
3/30/2015 3:04:04 PM EDT
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Oh, I don't know, if the height above bore is 10 or 12 inches or so...........
3/30/2015 3:06:00 PM EDT
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What about a Cheytac?  I've heard they have a wickedly flat trajectory.
3/30/2015 3:07:18 PM EDT
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Oh, I don't know, if the height above bore is 10 or 12 inches or so...........
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400


Oh, I don't know, if the height above bore is 10 or 12 inches or so...........


I had written "Unless you've got some seriously tall scope rings".

But I figured that might not be understood by some in the thread.
3/30/2015 3:09:58 PM EDT
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Maybe he has a couple beowulfx mounts stacked together?
3/30/2015 3:15:44 PM EDT
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http://www.nosler.com/news-and-articles/2013/11/22/the-26-nosler

0-415 yards PBR
3/30/2015 3:16:15 PM EDT
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DOPE=

Data
On
Previous
Engagements.

Go out and try a bunch of differet things and report back OP.

Me.....I'm guessing it's aliens.
3/30/2015 3:16:27 PM EDT
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i don't adjust the scope. zeroed at 50 it's a little high at 100 on at 250 past that and i use the lower hashmarks on the reticle that have been marked for such ranges
3/30/2015 3:18:33 PM EDT
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Yeah that makes sense and it made more sense after I read my post. Buddy and I were discussing it this morning after he told me he was creating a dope cheat sheet for his rifle
3/30/2015 3:29:31 PM EDT
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300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.
3/30/2015 3:32:21 PM EDT
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http://www.nosler.com/news-and-articles/2013/11/22/the-26-nosler

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PBR depends on how big a target you wish to hit.

When they say "On at 350 and PBR of 415, that means that it will be low @ 415 the same amount as the highest point of trajectory. Let's say it was about 5 inches high at about 250 (just rough estimations without looking up the exact data for that cartridge). You could then aim at the center of a 10 inch target and theoretically hit it out to 415 yards.

Even that laser isn't going to come close to on @100 and -4" @400.
3/30/2015 3:35:40 PM EDT
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300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400  


300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.


That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.
3/30/2015 3:49:15 PM EDT
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That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400  


300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.


That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.


It was a hypothetical example.
3/30/2015 4:02:29 PM EDT
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400  


300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.


That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.


It was a hypothetical example.

True
3/30/2015 4:03:04 PM EDT
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My thinking exactly....
3/30/2015 4:04:03 PM EDT
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You do know that MOA does not equal 1"/100yds, right?
Its 1.047"/100 yds

So 15 clicks or 3.75 MOA would be closer than 16 clicks or 4 MOA at 400yds
3/30/2015 4:15:59 PM EDT
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You do know that MOA does not equal 1"/100yds, right?
Its 1.047"/100 yds

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I don't think you're allowing for the spin drift and the coriolis effect.
3/30/2015 4:24:42 PM EDT
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That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400  


300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.


That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.

I don't have the load info handy for these..but I wonder if they wouldn't come close? 300 RUM using 125 grain barnes solid at if I  remember right just shy of 4000FPS(I loaded these years ago for fur bullets )...


3/30/2015 4:28:44 PM EDT
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I don't have the load info handy for these..but I wonder if they wouldn't come close? 300 RUM using 125 grain barnes solid at if I  remember right just shy of 4000FPS(I loaded these years ago for fur bullets )...


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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400  


300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.


That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.

I don't have the load info handy for these..but I wonder if they wouldn't come close? 300 RUM using 125 grain barnes solid at if I  remember right just shy of 4000FPS(I loaded these years ago for fur bullets )...


<a href="http://s266.photobucket.com/user/AKSNOWRIDER_2008/media/Pictures/b23a8ae8-86a2-41c0-b781-b467299114eb_zps1heevlfl.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/AKSNOWRIDER_2008/Pictures/b23a8ae8-86a2-41c0-b781-b467299114eb_zps1heevlfl.jpg</a>


You can plug it into the online JBM ballistics calculator and get a good estimate.

Or you can do some math and get TOF between 100 and 400 and then figure for 32 fps^2 drop.

As mentioned, with a high enough scope, you could get it to work out, I think but it would be impractical.
3/30/2015 4:34:56 PM EDT
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what does your drop table say? You did do one for your load right?
3/30/2015 4:37:47 PM EDT
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You can plug it into the online JBM ballistics calculator and get a good estimate.

Or you can do some math and get TOF between 100 and 400 and then figure for 32 fps^2 drop.

As mentioned, with a high enough scope, you could get it to work out, I think but it would be impractical.
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400  


300RUM is reputed to be close to 4" at 400 yards with a 195gr bullet.  I've seen published figures of between 4.2 and 4.9 inches, although most of what I've seen in real life is a little over 5 inches firing 185gr Black Tips.


That's height of trajectory (which is still impressive) being theoretically 4" if zeroed at 400 yards. I had a .300 RUM and it was a beast.

Still. The question in the OP has the gun zeroed at 100. There's going to be much more drop than one MOA at 400.

I don't have the load info handy for these..but I wonder if they wouldn't come close? 300 RUM using 125 grain barnes solid at if I  remember right just shy of 4000FPS(I loaded these years ago for fur bullets )...


<a href="http://s266.photobucket.com/user/AKSNOWRIDER_2008/media/Pictures/b23a8ae8-86a2-41c0-b781-b467299114eb_zps1heevlfl.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii265/AKSNOWRIDER_2008/Pictures/b23a8ae8-86a2-41c0-b781-b467299114eb_zps1heevlfl.jpg</a>


You can plug it into the online JBM ballistics calculator and get a good estimate.

Or you can do some math and get TOF between 100 and 400 and then figure for 32 fps^2 drop.

As mentioned, with a high enough scope, you could get it to work out, I think but it would be impractical.

Yep..it aint got enough balls..aprox. 13" of drop with a 100 zero at 400... with a 1.5 scope centerline...Dang it..I failed...
3/30/2015 4:40:34 PM EDT
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push it through spell check then hold over the shot a bit.

seriously, if it is within 5 mil, I use come-ups. then I don't have to worry about dialing anything back later.
3/30/2015 4:42:13 PM EDT
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Ha..I haven't even seen these bullets in 10 + years until this winter....and everything the Ex could get her hands on when we split...well...I might should have went to the dump I guess.....but who knew...
3/30/2015 4:42:52 PM EDT
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I had written "Unless you've got some seriously tall scope rings".

But I figured that might not be understood by some in the thread.
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400


Oh, I don't know, if the height above bore is 10 or 12 inches or so...........


I had written "Unless you've got some seriously tall scope rings".

But I figured that might not be understood by some in the thread.

3/30/2015 4:45:37 PM EDT
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I don't know of a firearm that can be on at 100 and 4 inches low at 400


Oh, I don't know, if the height above bore is 10 or 12 inches or so...........


I had written "Unless you've got some seriously tall scope rings".

But I figured that might not be understood by some in the thread.

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Dual-Sight-System-Ballistics-Info.jpg

Dang, what do you use for a cheek weld, the bottom of your chin?