[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Utahs firing squad (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/25/2015 5:38:17 PM EDT
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So I'm listening to the radio and they're talking about Utah bringing back the firing squad for executions. Which begs the question, what round and what rifle do you use? Apparently they offed some guy there in 2010 using .30 cal rifles but of course no more info is given. Anybody know what they used and what would you use?
Eta poll. Apparently they have plenty of volunteers to be shooters. Would you volunteer? |
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I would volunteer and bring my own round, to ensure I wasn't given the blank.
If it's a just execution (no false/tampered evidence, etc), I would fire a killing shot gladly. If it's an unjust execution (unbeknownst to me; I would never volunteer for an unjust one of course), I would be glad to deliver a killing shot that better ensures the recipient of the volley does not suffer long. |
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Does anybody know where the pool of potential volunteers comes from? Prison guards? Local LEO's? Hobos from behind the liquor store down the street? There was an article posted yesterday talking about this. I'm too lazy to go find it. I believe the volunteers come from the state police with special preference given to officers from the area the crime was committed. If I rememeber correctly. Eta: linky |
| I'd do it no problem. I support the death penalty and believe it should be handed out more often. I also think the qualifications for death should be lower. Child sex abuse, child murder, violent habitual criminals etc. However in Utah we select from a pool of LE volunteers. Oh well. |
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Quoted: Utah used Mod. 95 Winchester 30-06's to execute Gary Gilmore in '77. It got the job done. 4 loaded with a live round each, 1 loaded with a blank. Supposed to create a question as to who didn't shoot. Norman Mailer's book The Executioner's Song detailed the process. |
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"Excuse," you say? Really? Some projection going on in here.  Quoted:
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Lot of people that would like any excuse to shoot someone in here  "Excuse," you say? Really? Some projection going on in here. You're not that naive. Are you? This place is full of murder/torture fantasizers who want to kill and are just looking for a legitimate excuse. Most of them are probably full of hot air, but I take them at their word. |
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Form the Wiki
In Utah, firing squads consist of five volunteer law enforcement officers[10][11] from the county in which the conviction of the offender took place. The five executioners were equipped with .30-30-caliber rifles and off-the-shelf Winchester 150-grain (9.7 g) SilverTip ammunition. The condemned was restrained and hooded, and the shots were fired at a distance of 20 feet (6 m), aiming at the chest. According to his brother Mikal Gilmore's memoir Shot in the Heart, Utah's tradition dictated that a firing squad comprise four men with live rounds, and one with a blank round, so that the shooters could not be certain as to who fired the fatal shots.
However, upon inspecting the clothes worn by his brother Gary at his execution, Mikal noted five holes in the shirt—indicating, he wrote, that "the state of Utah, apparently, had taken no chances on the morning that it put my brother to death. |
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If you were police or a correctional officer (that is said to be chosen to be on the firing squad) you would have some training with firearms correct?
If you were the one that fired the blank you would know correct? I have fired enough live rounds and blank rounds to know that there is a big difference. Is this just a feel good thing to appease the liberals? |
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You're not that naive. Are you? This place is full of murder/torture fantasizers who want to kill and are just looking for a legitimate excuse. Most of them are probably full of hot air, but I take them at their word. Quoted:
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Lot of people that would like any excuse to shoot someone in here "Excuse," you say? Really? Some projection going on in here. You're not that naive. Are you? This place is full of murder/torture fantasizers who want to kill and are just looking for a legitimate excuse. Most of them are probably full of hot air, but I take them at their word. I hope my sarcasm meter isn't broken, but just in case: Execution is not murder. Death by firing squad is not torture. If you really believe those things about the people in "this place" then perhaps it's time to move along- I know I would. 
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If you were police or a correctional officer (that is said to be chosen to be on the firing squad) you would have some training with firearms correct? If you were the one that fired the blank you would know correct? I have fired enough live rounds and blank rounds to know that there is a big difference. Is this just a feel good thing to appease the liberals? In the serious tension of the moment, you may not notice closely enough to be able to tell the difference. I've been in a few shooting competitions where the handgun or rifle just seems to "float" in my hands, as I'm not conscious of the recoil one way or another- though I was still shooting accurately during that time. I can't say how much that might translate over to a shot fired in an execution, but I believe it's at least somewhat possible not to notice. |
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For the sake of this thread you don't know the victim and the crime was caught on tape, there was DNA and the guy confessed. No possible way he didn't do it I have no desire to kill anyone.... I much prefer we just bring back hanging it was fast and effective if done right. |
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I support the death penalty under very limited circumstances. I would not volunteer unless 1.) I knew the victim and 2). there was DNA or highly credible eyewitness evidence. Even in this case I don't know that I could. I don't really look forward to the idea of ending a human life. |
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Poll results aren't that surprising... Holy shit, Arfcom. It's a little concerning that so many here are actually enthusiastic about taking someone's life, whether they personally knew the victim or not. I could understand if that person took the life of a loved one, but wanting to just for the sake of doing it doesn't sit right. I'll do what I must to protect myself and my loved ones, but, it does not bring me joy to think of having to kill someone. I honestly hope that all of the training that I've done and continue to do will never be needed. |
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I hope my sarcasm meter isn't broken, but just in case: Execution is not murder. Death by firing squad is not torture. If you really believe those things about the people in "this place" then perhaps it's time to move along- I know I would. Quoted:
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Lot of people that would like any excuse to shoot someone in here "Excuse," you say? Really? Some projection going on in here. You're not that naive. Are you? This place is full of murder/torture fantasizers who want to kill and are just looking for a legitimate excuse. Most of them are probably full of hot air, but I take them at their word. I hope my sarcasm meter isn't broken, but just in case: Execution is not murder. Death by firing squad is not torture. If you really believe those things about the people in "this place" then perhaps it's time to move along- I know I would. I'm sorry you missed the point. I guess you missed the "legitimate excuse" part even though you put in bold.  65% currently want to kill someone because they can get away with it. Oh, I mean for "justice." Explain that.
BTW, I'm not going anywhere. 
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