Posted: 1/25/2015 4:53:29 PM EDT
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Does anyone know of a company offering a M4A1 rifle ?
Basically, a Colt R6920 with a fixed carry handle. 
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M4A1s never had fixed carry handles. This is correct. I've been issued both the M4 and M4A1. I never did a side-by-side comparison, but the only differences I remember are the M4A1 having a heavier barrel and full-auto as opposed to the M4's 3 round burst. The original M4 in the mid 90s had a fixed carry handle, but when the rail upper came out, the new M4 gained it with no change in nomenclature. |
| Del-Ton Echo 216 Basically a Colt 727, ie; fixed carry handle M4gery. 16" bbl, though. Not sure if that's a deal breaker. |
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jesus 01er with 20K you'd think you would have picked up a thing or two over a span of 13+ years 
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Ok, wrong model I guess. What I'm looking for is a rifle like a R6920 but with a fixed carry handle. Whatever model designation that may be. jesus 01er with 20K you'd think you would have picked up a thing or two over a span of 13+ years
That's just another kind of 13'er. |
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Way back in he days before the M4A1 as we know it today (heavy barrel);
The M4A1 was a short m16 with a M4 barrel and A1 style upper with forward assist and carry handle but it had M4 cut feed ramps. Then of course your M4 a2 was the same with 727/A2 style upper. And the M4A3 was the flat top version. Of course this was circa 199x and these were not official designations for the most part. I owned all 3 types at one time; all had M4 cuts and were Colt uppers. This was back in the late 90's when you had to use a preban lower and make your own M4 (as in no one really had them except those on ARFCOM) This is what the OP was probably referring to. ETA: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me I'm wrong and that I never actually owned anything like that. |
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ETA: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me I'm wrong and that I never actually owned anything like that. You're damn straight
Since we're being pedantic about military designations, your purported model numbers are all fucked up. You're arbitrarily assigning A1, A2, and A3 (the A3 was never a flat top) to a completely different series of weapons, and doing a disservice to people who are trying to learn the correct names for various mil. configurations. I'd LOVE to see a Colt catalog listing these models, not R6530 or whatever. |
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Way back in he days before the M4A1 as we know it today (heavy barrel); The M4A1 was a short m16 with a M4 barrel and A1 style upper with forward assist and carry handle but it had M4 cut feed ramps. Then of course your M4 a2 was the same with 727/A2 style upper. And the M4A3 was the flat top version. Of course this was circa 199x and these were not official designations for the most part. I owned all 3 types at one time; all had M4 cuts and were Colt uppers. This was back in the late 90's when you had to use a preban lower and make your own M4 (as in no one really had them except those on ARFCOM) This is what the OP was probably referring to. ETA: I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell me I'm wrong and that I never actually owned anything like that. I had real M4's and M4A1's. They had detachable carry handles, and were introduced with detachable handles in the early 1990's. The Colt RO727 had an M16A2 upper, but with feed ramps. The Colt RO723 had the C7 upper, with shell deflector. Here is what the OP is probably looking for, one of my personal 727 builds: 
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A1 upper vs A2 Quoted:
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CAR-15? A1 upper vs A2 CAR-15 was a family of weapons program, not a model number for any of the AR15 series. Colt tried to respond to Stoner's Stoner 63 system after he had gone to Cadillac-Gauge. The CAR-15 Family of Weapons was the result. The first carbine in the series was the Colt RO605. The first Commando was the RO607. Both are pictured here. 
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Grabagun has that for $200 cheaper http://grabagun.com/bushmaster-a2-223-16-m4a2-30rd.html |
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This is correct. I've been issued both the M4 and M4A1. I never did a side-by-side comparison, but the only differences I remember are the M4A1 having a heavier barrel and full-auto as opposed to the M4's 3 round burst. The original M4 in the mid 90s had a fixed carry handle, but when the rail upper came out, the new M4 gained it with no change in nomenclature. Quoted:
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M4A1s never had fixed carry handles. This is correct. I've been issued both the M4 and M4A1. I never did a side-by-side comparison, but the only differences I remember are the M4A1 having a heavier barrel and full-auto as opposed to the M4's 3 round burst. The original M4 in the mid 90s had a fixed carry handle, but when the rail upper came out, the new M4 gained it with no change in nomenclature. A1 has ambi selector and an H2 buffer also. |
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A lot of Guard units do, we didn't get M4s until we deployed. Whats that shim between the grip and the lower? |
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Wow, cool picture. Do the rifles in your unit all have the selector block tabs/plates snapped off like that? Never understood why guard units had them on burst equipped rifles in the first place. |
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Colt 727. Basically the same as an M4/6920, except with a fixed carry handle and slimmer CAR-15 handguards: http://<span style=http://www.autoweapons.com/photos05/may/952m16d.jpg Want! 
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Quoted: I sometimes forget that here on ARFCOM you must have every I dotted and every T crossed or the basement dwelling brain trust will break out the codex and show you the error of your ways. Apparently what I am asking for is the Colt 727 style of rifle. |
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Del-Ton Echo 216 Basically a Colt 727, ie; fixed carry handle M4gery. 16" bbl, though. Not sure if that's a deal breaker. 1:9" twist? It will fail you and you will die. |
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What unit? (former 185th and 155th guy here) |
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I have a bunch of flattop 16" guns with optics, etc..., but my goto is always my 16" with an A1, slabside upper. Quoted:
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Roll your own I have a bunch of flattop 16" guns with optics, etc..., but my goto is always my 16" with an A1, slabside upper. I have a flat top 16in waiting on an A1 upper to get here. |
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Does anyone know of a company offering a M4A1 rifle ? Basically, a Colt R6920 with a fixed carry handle. No, the M4 style is offered by EVERYONE, the M4A1 has a medium contour barrel. Only Colt's makes one, but they are 14.5" but not availible right now their SOCOM one is a 16.5" version, BCM makes one, and a 16.5" Medium contour one as well. the standard 16.5 Carbine with carry handle is literally made by everyone as a basic model. |