[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Squib load from hell (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 12/22/2014 3:03:45 AM EDT
Hello guys, today I was shooting some cast bullets out of my Glock 42 when I came across a squib load. Naturally this ended my range trip. When I got home I tried using a wooden dowel unsuccessfully, so since this was a cast bullet, I melted it out with a torch. So did I do wrong?
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I used to shoot a steel challenge type match consisting of 6 to 8 stages every first and third Saturday of the month. We had a guy shoot his Glock 22 or 35 all the time with cast lead boolits.
Halfway through each match, he'd go over to the safe area and run a boresnake through the stock factory Glock barrel a few times. Then he'd re-join back up with his squad at whatever the next stage was, and go right back to shootin' . |
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Seriously, Did I really do damage to my barrel. It's not like it turned red. I only heated it for about 10 to 15 seconds with a weak propane gas blow torch, till the lead ran out of the barrel. Yes, you heated up a barrel way beyond normal operating temperatures for a pistole, and changed the properties of the metal--making it potentially brittle or even possibly altering its shape. |
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Son of a bitch, looks like I'll be calling Glock in the morning. I really didn't think it would cause any harm. Lesson well learned I guess. Ease up guys, we all make mistakes.  Since you voided the warranty shooting cast bullets and then compounded the situation by playing gunsmith, I hope you are just calling to ask how much for a new barrel and not to ask them to fix it for ya. |
and yes you screwed up the HT on the barrel so please get another one before shooting again with factory ammo |
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Since you voided the warranty shooting cast bullets and then compounded the situation by playing gunsmith, I hope you are just calling to ask how much for a new barrel and not to ask them to fix it for ya. Quoted:
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Son of a bitch, looks like I'll be calling Glock in the morning. I really didn't think it would cause any harm. Lesson well learned I guess. Ease up guys, we all make mistakes. Since you voided the warranty shooting cast bullets and then compounded the situation by playing gunsmith, I hope you are just calling to ask how much for a new barrel and not to ask them to fix it for ya. As much as you would like me to say yes, ( So that you and a few other can have a field day with me ) I'm actually calling to talk to someone and explain what I had just done, and if they decide a new barrel is required, then I'll cross my fingers and hope that I can order a replacement, since Lone Wolf doesn't have any available as of yet. And to all of you criticizing me for shooting cast bullets, don't even go there, as I have two other Glocks as well that are equipped with Lone Wolf barrels, and actually shoot quite an impressive amount of reloads through each. In doing so, I'm saving a ton of $$$$$, and if you think about it, the steel gongs could really care less if I were shooting FMJ anyways. This has been my first squib ever in all the years that I have been shooting as well as reloading. It was a foolish mistake. Lesson well learned on my part for being lazy. What's the big deal anyways, it's not like the money is coming out of your wallet. I asked the question on here because I knew I could get some honest replies from some of you that are actually more than just armchair commandos spewing nothing but a ton of BS! |
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As much as you would like me to say yes, ( So that you and a few other can have a field day with me ) I'm actually calling to talk to someone and explain what I had just done, and if they decide a new barrel is required, then I'll cross my fingers and hope that I can order a replacement, since Lone Wolf doesn't have any available as of yet. And to all of you criticizing me for shooting cast bullets, don't even go there, as I have two other Glocks as well that are equipped with Lone Wolf barrels, and actually shoot quite an impressive amount of reloads through each. In doing so, I'm saving a ton of $$$$$, and if you think about it, the steel gongs could really care less if I were shooting FMJ anyways. This has been my first squib ever in all the years that I have been shooting as well as reloading. It was a foolish mistake. Lesson well learned on my part for being lazy. What's the big deal anyways, it's not like the money is coming out of your wallet. I asked the question on here because I knew I could get some honest replies from some of you that are actually more than just armchair commandos spewing nothing but a ton of BS! Quoted:
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Son of a bitch, looks like I'll be calling Glock in the morning. I really didn't think it would cause any harm. Lesson well learned I guess. Ease up guys, we all make mistakes. Since you voided the warranty shooting cast bullets and then compounded the situation by playing gunsmith, I hope you are just calling to ask how much for a new barrel and not to ask them to fix it for ya. As much as you would like me to say yes, ( So that you and a few other can have a field day with me ) I'm actually calling to talk to someone and explain what I had just done, and if they decide a new barrel is required, then I'll cross my fingers and hope that I can order a replacement, since Lone Wolf doesn't have any available as of yet. And to all of you criticizing me for shooting cast bullets, don't even go there, as I have two other Glocks as well that are equipped with Lone Wolf barrels, and actually shoot quite an impressive amount of reloads through each. In doing so, I'm saving a ton of $$$$$, and if you think about it, the steel gongs could really care less if I were shooting FMJ anyways. This has been my first squib ever in all the years that I have been shooting as well as reloading. It was a foolish mistake. Lesson well learned on my part for being lazy. What's the big deal anyways, it's not like the money is coming out of your wallet. I asked the question on here because I knew I could get some honest replies from some of you that are actually more than just armchair commandos spewing nothing but a ton of BS! it has to do with your glock having polygonal rifling, i doubt your lone wolf barrels do |
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it has to do with your glock having polygonal rifling, i doubt your lone wolf barrels do Quoted:
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Son of a bitch, looks like I'll be calling Glock in the morning. I really didn't think it would cause any harm. Lesson well learned I guess. Ease up guys, we all make mistakes. Since you voided the warranty shooting cast bullets and then compounded the situation by playing gunsmith, I hope you are just calling to ask how much for a new barrel and not to ask them to fix it for ya. As much as you would like me to say yes, ( So that you and a few other can have a field day with me ) I'm actually calling to talk to someone and explain what I had just done, and if they decide a new barrel is required, then I'll cross my fingers and hope that I can order a replacement, since Lone Wolf doesn't have any available as of yet. And to all of you criticizing me for shooting cast bullets, don't even go there, as I have two other Glocks as well that are equipped with Lone Wolf barrels, and actually shoot quite an impressive amount of reloads through each. In doing so, I'm saving a ton of $$$$$, and if you think about it, the steel gongs could really care less if I were shooting FMJ anyways. This has been my first squib ever in all the years that I have been shooting as well as reloading. It was a foolish mistake. Lesson well learned on my part for being lazy. What's the big deal anyways, it's not like the money is coming out of your wallet. I asked the question on here because I knew I could get some honest replies from some of you that are actually more than just armchair commandos spewing nothing but a ton of BS! it has to do with your glock having polygonal rifling, i doubt your lone wolf barrels do Really? You didn't think that I knew that already? Besides, I was shooting the blue bullets which are rated for the factory stock Glock barrels! |
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Really? You didn't think that I knew that already? Besides, I was shooting the blue bullets which are rated for the factory stock Glock barrels! Quoted:
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Son of a bitch, looks like I'll be calling Glock in the morning. I really didn't think it would cause any harm. Lesson well learned I guess. Ease up guys, we all make mistakes. Since you voided the warranty shooting cast bullets and then compounded the situation by playing gunsmith, I hope you are just calling to ask how much for a new barrel and not to ask them to fix it for ya. As much as you would like me to say yes, ( So that you and a few other can have a field day with me ) I'm actually calling to talk to someone and explain what I had just done, and if they decide a new barrel is required, then I'll cross my fingers and hope that I can order a replacement, since Lone Wolf doesn't have any available as of yet. And to all of you criticizing me for shooting cast bullets, don't even go there, as I have two other Glocks as well that are equipped with Lone Wolf barrels, and actually shoot quite an impressive amount of reloads through each. In doing so, I'm saving a ton of $$$$$, and if you think about it, the steel gongs could really care less if I were shooting FMJ anyways. This has been my first squib ever in all the years that I have been shooting as well as reloading. It was a foolish mistake. Lesson well learned on my part for being lazy. What's the big deal anyways, it's not like the money is coming out of your wallet. I asked the question on here because I knew I could get some honest replies from some of you that are actually more than just armchair commandos spewing nothing but a ton of BS! it has to do with your glock having polygonal rifling, i doubt your lone wolf barrels do Really? You didn't think that I knew that already? Besides, I was shooting the blue bullets which are rated for the factory stock Glock barrels! Considering you used a torch to melt out a squib.... No, I didn't think you knew that already. |
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Really? You didn't think that I knew that already? Besides, I was shooting the blue bullets which are rated for the factory stock Glock barrels! Rated by who? There in no way Glock would say it is ok, so that leaves the bullet manufacturer, who surely has no reason to lie to you to sell bullets, right? 
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Rated by who? There in no way Glock would say it is ok, so that leaves the bullet manufacturer, who surely has no reason to lie to you to sell bullets, right? Quoted:
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Really? You didn't think that I knew that already? Besides, I was shooting the blue bullets which are rated for the factory stock Glock barrels! Rated by who? There in no way Glock would say it is ok, so that leaves the bullet manufacturer, who surely has no reason to lie to you to sell bullets, right? They're coated with some blue crap that is supposed to keep lead from depositing on the barrel, and the coating isn't supposed to come off if the bullet is crimped properly. I've very rarely seen them at gun ranges, they're not hard to spot. Most people I've seen shoot them out of 45 1911s which don't give a fuck if the bullet is lead or not. |
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First, never use a wooden dowel to drive a bullet out of a barrel. The wood expands and pieces of the wood can actually be driven around the bullet and wedge it in tighter. Use a brass rod that is close to bore size for best results.
Second, you heated the barrel up to over 600 degrees but you don't really know how hot you got it. You could have gotten it much hotter in one spot and that could be a problem. What kind of torch did you use?? |
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10-15 seconds with an Oxy/acetylene torch, natural gas or propane might get it hot enough to move some carbon around but I doubt it, the melting temp of steel is around 2500F depending on carbon content and other alloys so 625F is not likely to do any damage if you actually got the barrel that hot which I doubt you did. A Glock 18 running full auto is gonna get damn hot, I don't know the temp as I don't have an 18 but I'm betting it's gonna get within a few hundred degrees of lead's melting point (621F) after some mag dumping. If you actually got the barrel to 625F and dipped it in water you could increase the hardness and ruin it. Again I doubt the barrel reached that temp, the lead obviously but the barrel wasn't exposed to the heat long enough to get it to a property changing temp and do any damage. Pretty much all of this. I seriously you doubt you got the barrel anywhere near hot enough to do any damage. Like you said, give glock a call and see what they say. For future reference, ask these kinds of questions in the handgun forum or glock forum to avoid the vast majority of these replies. |
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10-15 seconds with an Oxy/acetylene torch, natural gas or propane might get it hot enough to move some carbon around but I doubt it, the melting temp of steel is around 2500F depending on carbon content and other alloys so 625F is not likely to do any damage if you actually got the barrel that hot which I doubt you did. A Glock 18 running full auto is gonna get damn hot, I don't know the temp as I don't have an 18 but I'm betting it's gonna get within a few hundred degrees of lead's melting point (621F) after some mag dumping. If you actually got the barrel to 625F and dipped it in water you could increase the hardness and ruin it. Again I doubt the barrel reached that temp, the lead obviously but the barrel wasn't exposed to the heat long enough to get it to a property changing temp and do any damage. The melting temperature of steel has nothing to do with it…… it's the TEMPERING temperature that is important and the tempering temperature is much lower than the melting point. In the case of a barrel, the tempering temperature is approx. 1000-1100 degrees F. If the tempering temperature is exceeded , even in one spot, you screwed up the barrel. The barrel in question saw at least 622 degrees in order to melt the lead…… no way around that. How hot the barrel actually got ( even in one spot ) is the question. The type of torch used would matter. If nothing else, the OP could take the barrel to a good machine shop and have the hardness tested around the spot where he applied the torch. Some torches ( depending on what type used ) can reach temperatures high enough to screw up the barrel. "If you actually got the barrel to 625F and dipped it in water you could increase the hardness and ruin it." NO, no you would not…….. not even close. Heat treating is not your strong suit. |
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Wow, some of you guys need to quit trying to be the smartest people on the internet and go outside once in a while. A little real world experience would be nice for you.
Glock will tell you to replace it. Is anyone questioning that. "Hey glock, I took a torch or my barrel and melted out some unapproved ammunition. Can I still use it." "Yeah sure, we will take full responsibility if anything happens." 
You can do whatever you want. I probably would run it. |
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Wow, some of you guys need to quit trying to be the smartest people on the internet and go outside once in a while. A little real world experience would be nice for you. Is 38 years as a tool maker that has done extensive heat treating on all kinds of steels enough "real world experience" for you?? Just wondering. |
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Is 38 years as a tool maker that has done extensive heat treating on all kinds of steels enough "real world experience" for you?? Just wondering. Quoted:
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Wow, some of you guys need to quit trying to be the smartest people on the internet and go outside once in a while. A little real world experience would be nice for you. Is 38 years as a tool maker that has done extensive heat treating on all kinds of steels enough "real world experience" for you?? Just wondering. Apparently not. |
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As much as you would like me to say yes, ( So that you and a few other can have a field day with me ) I'm actually calling to talk to someone and explain what I had just done, and if they decide a new barrel is required, then I'll cross my fingers and hope that I can order a replacement, since Lone Wolf doesn't have any available as of yet. And to all of you criticizing me for shooting cast bullets, don't even go there, as I have two other Glocks as well that are equipped with Lone Wolf barrels, and actually shoot quite an impressive amount of reloads through each. In doing so, I'm saving a ton of $$$$$, and if you think about it, the steel gongs could really care less if I were shooting FMJ anyways. This has been my first squib ever in all the years that I have been shooting as well as reloading. It was a foolish mistake. Lesson well learned on my part for being lazy. What's the big deal anyways, it's not like the money is coming out of your wallet. I asked the question on here because I knew I could get some honest replies from some of you that are actually more than just armchair commandos spewing nothing but a ton of BS! Quoted:
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Son of a bitch, looks like I'll be calling Glock in the morning. I really didn't think it would cause any harm. Lesson well learned I guess. Ease up guys, we all make mistakes. Since you voided the warranty shooting cast bullets and then compounded the situation by playing gunsmith, I hope you are just calling to ask how much for a new barrel and not to ask them to fix it for ya. As much as you would like me to say yes, ( So that you and a few other can have a field day with me ) I'm actually calling to talk to someone and explain what I had just done, and if they decide a new barrel is required, then I'll cross my fingers and hope that I can order a replacement, since Lone Wolf doesn't have any available as of yet. And to all of you criticizing me for shooting cast bullets, don't even go there, as I have two other Glocks as well that are equipped with Lone Wolf barrels, and actually shoot quite an impressive amount of reloads through each. In doing so, I'm saving a ton of $$$$$, and if you think about it, the steel gongs could really care less if I were shooting FMJ anyways. This has been my first squib ever in all the years that I have been shooting as well as reloading. It was a foolish mistake. Lesson well learned on my part for being lazy. What's the big deal anyways, it's not like the money is coming out of your wallet. I asked the question on here because I knew I could get some honest replies from some of you that are actually more than just armchair commandos spewing nothing but a ton of BS! Welcome to GD!!! Clean the barrel well put it back in and shoot a few rounds of jacketed bullets through it first. Shit happens. Don't sweat the asshats |
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Wow, some of you guys need to quit trying to be the smartest people on the internet and go outside once in a while. A little real world experience would be nice for you. Is 38 years as a tool maker that has done extensive heat treating on all kinds of steels enough "real world experience" for you?? Just wondering. Apparently not. Ah, you are one of those " I shot a gun once and I know everything " kind of guys!!
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