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12/17/2014 7:43:40 PM EDT




Chauchautlol
12/17/2014 7:45:39 PM EDT
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They're fucked.


Although it can't jam being empty, can it?
12/17/2014 7:47:38 PM EDT
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Of course it can.



 
12/17/2014 7:47:54 PM EDT
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"I conquered France and all I got was this lousy Chauchat..."
12/17/2014 7:50:14 PM EDT
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I don't get it!!???
12/17/2014 7:50:19 PM EDT
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It could have been worse.  You could have conquered Poland, and got a lousy Chauchat.
12/17/2014 7:51:22 PM EDT
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They are shooting one of the worst guns ever made
12/17/2014 7:52:41 PM EDT
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Real Krauts wouldn't have bothered with that.
12/17/2014 7:54:07 PM EDT
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Probably a training photo, maybe French SS?

12/17/2014 7:55:21 PM EDT
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They used all manner of guns for training and in lower priority areas such as anti-partisan units.
12/17/2014 7:56:36 PM EDT
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They are shooting one of the worst guns ever made


To be fair, they were never intended for trench warfare, which caused lots of problems for lots of guns.

And, to be fair again, the decision to manufacture them in the more powerful .30/06 was neither brilliant, or well executed.

They were among the first to incorporate modern manufacturing techniques.

A lot of them were made, and used.  The Chauchat could have evolved into some thing better, but the stars were not in proper alignment.


12/17/2014 7:58:23 PM EDT
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the secret weapon of france!!!!
12/17/2014 7:59:05 PM EDT
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But is there something specific in the pic?

I thought there might be something funky happening in the chamber.
12/17/2014 7:59:40 PM EDT
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Yup!......
12/17/2014 8:00:00 PM EDT
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Chowchat................I want one.
12/17/2014 8:00:04 PM EDT
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A show show N@#$$a for what
12/17/2014 8:02:32 PM EDT
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They are shooting one of the worst guns ever made


It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.
12/17/2014 8:06:09 PM EDT
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12/17/2014 8:07:30 PM EDT
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It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.
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They are shooting one of the worst guns ever made


It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.

Exactly.  Where it gets it's bad reputation is from the American versions made for 30-06, that the gun was never designed.  It worked very well in its designed 8mm Lebel version.
12/17/2014 8:08:01 PM EDT
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The fuck
12/17/2014 8:08:18 PM EDT
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Halt!Hammer Zeit!!!
12/17/2014 8:08:32 PM EDT
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When I first saw the thread, I was going to post halthammerzeit.jpg as my reply.  Now I wish I had because those are funnier.


ETA: and above me, it's done.
12/17/2014 8:09:53 PM EDT
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12/17/2014 8:10:24 PM EDT
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Ahh, okie dokie, thanks!!!
12/17/2014 8:11:50 PM EDT
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Although it can't jam being empty, can it?
Of course it can.
 


I think the gunner is on the edge of giggling his ass off there.
12/17/2014 8:12:50 PM EDT
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It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.
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They are shooting one of the worst guns ever made


It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.


It also introduced the vertical foregrip that every one now seems to view as a must have.

The 8mm Lebel was a highly tapered cartridge with a big rim, not really suitable for a light machine gun with a box magazine.  The Lewis did well with its drum magazine, but was very expensive to manufacture.  The Chauchat used a lot of stampings.  The .30/06 versions apparently had out of tolerance chambers, not a good thing, but especially bad when the cartridge was so much more powerful than the original.

The slow rate of fire was also viewed as a negative.
12/17/2014 8:13:33 PM EDT
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Soldiers gonna soldier
12/17/2014 8:14:20 PM EDT
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I KNEW IT!!!!!!! FUCKING NAZI FURRIES!!!!!!!!!

HOLOCAUST IN HELL FURFAG!!!!!!!!!
12/17/2014 8:15:42 PM EDT
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While it was one of the first light machine guns made and used, it wasn't the first.

That was probably the Madsen, which is still being used a century after its debut.

The Lewis was also ahead of the Chauchat.

There are some more, but those 2 were probably the most used and successful.
12/17/2014 8:21:36 PM EDT
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I use to have a legit WW2 chauchat 'bring back'. My dad inherited it from his uncle who passed away. He served in WW2 and brought it back somehow. I remember playing war with my brother when we were little. It stayed in our living room for a year or so(early '90s). Dad was not a gun guy, so had no clue what to do. He originally tried to donate it to the museum in town, they turned it down. So he asked our neighbor who was a police officer. That dude told that state law enforcement agency. They promptly showed up, took it away and smelted it down.

Sad to think about that.

Looking back, was there any way to make it 'legal' to possess?
12/17/2014 8:23:04 PM EDT
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Probably a training photo, maybe French SS?



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12/17/2014 8:23:53 PM EDT
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It's a free machine gun, they used lots of free French shit.
12/17/2014 8:23:59 PM EDT
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Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!!!

I got it!!!!!


Chauchat Roulette. Sometimes it will shoot Germans but it's more likely to end up with some guy tugging on his junk!!
12/17/2014 8:24:06 PM EDT
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The Wehrmacht controlled weapon procurement.  The SS got shit.
12/17/2014 8:24:20 PM EDT
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12/17/2014 8:27:12 PM EDT
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It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.
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They are shooting one of the worst guns ever made


It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.

You beat me to it..it had issues in lebel..but wasnt THAT bad....it was when we for some ungodly reason decided to manf it in 06 and issue it that it got the really bad Rep.   There was one out there a few years back for around $5K.....30-06, which was why it was only $5K
12/17/2014 8:30:08 PM EDT
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I'm particularly amused by this picture of SS


12/17/2014 8:34:32 PM EDT
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I'm guessing you didn't like John Ringo's Watch on the Rhine?
12/17/2014 8:34:54 PM EDT
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That should be the other way around as far as who got the best stuff.

"Wehrmacht" is similar to "US Armed Forces". "Heer" was the Army.
12/17/2014 8:37:33 PM EDT
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I wonder what's in those railroad cars...

Happy Evil! Get it here! I'm not Jewish and this thread turns my stomach...
12/17/2014 8:39:25 PM EDT
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Those crazy Germans.
12/17/2014 8:48:59 PM EDT
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Despite its bad reputation the Chauchat was the most effective
MG08 killer during the First World War. It was a very important
gun ahead of its regarding mass manufacture and due to this was
made in huge quantities. It added a lot of firepower to French units.

its awful reputation comes from US soldiers issued a variant in
.30-'06.

Keep in mind, the French for the most part armed the US Army
during WWI. Tanks were French, planes were French, artillery was
French and machine guns were French.

It was a very widely used gun, issued by many countries.

I believe the troops in the photo are Latvian on the Eastern Front.

Here are a couple more



note MAS 36 rifles


12/17/2014 8:54:40 PM EDT
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You beat me to it..it had issues in lebel..but wasnt THAT bad....it was when we for some ungodly reason decided to manf it in 06 and issue it that it got the really bad Rep.   There was one out there a few years back for around $5K.....30-06, which was why it was only $5K
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They are shooting one of the worst guns ever made


It wasnt that bad of a gun in the original 8mm Lebel chambering. Most problems were magazine related and were further exeracerbated by French troops oiling the internals of the magazine which cause even more dirt and debris to get into it. I believe they fixed the magazine problem late in the war.

Also remember it was one of the first, maybe the first LMG to be used in combat.

You beat me to it..it had issues in lebel..but wasnt THAT bad....it was when we for some ungodly reason decided to manf it in 06 and issue it that it got the really bad Rep.   There was one out there a few years back for around $5K.....30-06, which was why it was only $5K

Now, I have a question, if you buy a machine gun, you can rechamber it correct? Like you can rebarrel a M1 garand into .308?
Just how far can you "customize" the receiver?
12/17/2014 8:59:40 PM EDT
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Now that's a photo of some good Christmas Cheer for ya!........  Nazis taking a little time off the job to have a snowball fight while transporting jews to the showers. [/span]  

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12/17/2014 9:01:12 PM EDT
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Best SS picture so far. I like the way they are all piled up. assuming those piles of bodies are exicuted SS soldiers.
12/17/2014 9:02:57 PM EDT
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pic would have more amusing if all the SS guys were being killed by American troops.
12/17/2014 9:05:25 PM EDT
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Best SS picture so far. I like the way they are all piled up. assuming those piles of bodies are exicuted SS soldiers.
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Best SS picture so far. I like the way they are all piled up. assuming those piles of bodies are exicuted SS soldiers.
Thats the liberation of Dachau. First thing the US troops did when they saw what was going on was line 'em up and summarily execute them.
12/17/2014 9:05:49 PM EDT
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pic would have more amusing if all the SS guys were being killed by American troops.
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They are

 
12/17/2014 9:06:18 PM EDT
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Being jammed is its default position.


12/17/2014 9:08:03 PM EDT
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One of my mothers Uncles was SS. He "disappeared" after the war.  I may believe, I don't know, lived a happy life in Central America, helping people.
12/17/2014 9:12:40 PM EDT
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There are pics in the series earlier and later which show the arm shields which appear to be Latvian...so its a good bet its training of new(er) recruits, Ostfront....

Probably Panzerjagers, judging by the 5cm PaK 38 they are training on...This particular archive is a group of phots all taken ny a particular SS Kriegs Berichter (combat photographer). The Germans were pretty adamant about keeping the entire portfolio together and in order. The US captured large amounts of them at the end of the war, and they have them at the National Archives.

They are a boon to researchers since they are in chronological order, and tell a story.

I have a neat candid photo, original, of a "fake" situation during pre-war training....it is inscribed on the back "Our Sepp scolds the sleeping guard", and is indeed Sepp Ditrich yelling at a guard pretending to be asleep on the ground...along with several other combat shots from the Polish campaign, including SS Panzer guys, etc. These were liberated from the SS Guard Barracks at Berchtesgarten by a 101st Airborne Vet that lived here in Buffalo, they were found in his attic during the clean out after he died. I was very happy to be able to buy them and save them...
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