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12/10/2014 3:22:11 PM EDT
seem possible? (owners reply)

Randy S
a month ago
Veterans of West Michigan I highly encourage you to take your business elsewhere. I had a firearm shipped into Mr. Gun Dealer to have them do the FFL transfer. When I arrived to pickup my firearm (in my Army uniform) I was greeted by a rude and abrasive man named Eric (who identified himself as the owner). I informed Eric that I was an active duty Army Soldier stationed in Michigan and that I did not have a Michigan license. I provided Eric with my active duty military I.D. card along with my military orders establishing Michigan residence (in accordance with both BATF and Michigan law). Eric refused to even look at my orders telling me that he is not a lawyer and it’s not his responsibility to sort through my documents. I tried to explain to him there are exceptions to the residency requirements with respect to active military. After he repeated himself stating if I didn’t have a Michigan DL he would not transfer, I asked him if he would call the local BATF office or MSP to confirm. Eric then told me he was not wasting his time calling around and that he did not need my 25$. At this point I left and contacted the seller to see if he would be willing to ship the firearm a second time if I could have the item returned. When I attempted to go back and inform Eric of my decision he refused to let me in the store and told me through the glass I was no longer welcome. When I called the store Eric told me that he was shipping my firearm back to the original seller and that he did not want to see me in his store in the future. Eric and Mr. Gun Dealer have a severe lack of respect for their customers and the United States Armed Forces all together. Eric made it very clear that he did not need any money from this veteran; I encourage any military individuals past or present to take your business elsewhere because Eric and Mr. Gun Dealer clearly don’t need/want it.
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Response from the ownera month ago
Unfortunately some of this is true. The reality of this unique situation is that we had two ATF agents standing less than 15 feet from us behind the two way mirror in the backroom the entire time advising me not to transfer you the pistol based on your provided documentation. We have nothing but love and appreciation for our customers and nothing but the utmost respect for our veterans. Sorry we could not be more helpful in your situation.
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12/10/2014 3:24:04 PM EDT
[#1]
I don't doubt this could be true.
12/10/2014 3:25:10 PM EDT
[#2]
12/10/2014 3:25:50 PM EDT
[#3]
where is this from?   link?  store?  

otherwise, its a CSB
12/10/2014 3:27:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Remember the bullshit story you tried to think up to tell your dad after you put a dent in his car, and how you convinced yourself that he'd belive it?  This is kind of like that.
12/10/2014 3:28:08 PM EDT
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That said, Randy S shouldve OK'ed his transfer PRIOR to the seller shipping, and that includes disclosing that he's AD and doesnt have a MI DL.
12/10/2014 3:28:11 PM EDT
[#6]
store's site

review link

FaceBook
12/10/2014 3:28:21 PM EDT
[#7]
In my opinion the LGS owner's story is BS.



Why wouldn't the agents come out and explain the law to the guy?



He's in CYA mode.



12/10/2014 3:31:04 PM EDT
[#8]
<-  FFL

BS.  If there were actual agents in his store then they had a warrant because Mr. FFL did something criminally stupid.

If there were IOI's in the store then the IOI should know the laws about transfers to military members, they are not difficult and we have had several inspections where transfers to military members were scrutinized; because they were properly documented we didn't get dinged for it.
12/10/2014 3:32:11 PM EDT
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Remember the bullshit story you tried to think up to tell your dad after you put a dent in his car, and how you convinced yourself that he'd belive it?  This is kind of like that.
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LOLOL yes
12/10/2014 3:40:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Nope.
12/10/2014 3:41:10 PM EDT
[#11]
Complete and utter horshit defense made by the store owner. In fact it's even worse because the jackass confirmed the original complaint while making up a completely fictitious story to defend himself.
12/10/2014 4:03:33 PM EDT
[#12]

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BS.  If there were actual agents in his store then they had a warrant because Mr. FFL did something criminally stupid.



If there were IOI's in the store then the IOI should know the laws about transfers to military members, they are not difficult and we have had several inspections where transfers to military members were scrutinized; because they were properly documented we didn't get dinged for it.

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Agreed. We have done several military transfers. Mil ID and copy of orders, no problem.



 
12/10/2014 4:26:41 PM EDT
[#13]
Active Army in MI?
12/10/2014 4:34:04 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
seem possible? (owners reply)

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Response from the ownera month ago
Unfortunately some of this is true. The reality of this unique situation is that we had two ATF agents standing less than 15 feet from us behind the two way mirror in the backroom the entire time advising me not to transfer you the pistol based on your provided documentation. We have nothing but love and appreciation for our customers and nothing but the utmost respect for our veterans. Sorry we could not be more helpful in your situation.
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Holy shit.

A five year old could come up with a better lie than that.  
12/10/2014 5:04:53 PM EDT
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Active Army in MI?
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Maybe he is a recruiter?



 
12/10/2014 5:11:19 PM EDT
[#16]
I have been to hole in the wall and luxury boutique gun stores all over this giant country.

I have yet to see one with a two-way interrogation room-style mirror for ATF agents to hide behind.
12/10/2014 5:47:05 PM EDT
[#17]
thats bullshit
12/10/2014 5:59:22 PM EDT
[#18]
Unlikely