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11/11/2014 4:10:47 PM EDT
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I've read the book that they are referencing, Sniper on the Eastern Front. Fascinating to see them test the ammo mentioned and used in the book.
11/11/2014 4:38:23 PM EDT
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Pretty nasty stuff. I wonder how the test would have been affected by shooting through a couple layers of fabric simulating the uniform of the poor bastard shot with it. Or perhaps they could have gone Mythbusters style and used a pig carcass. Regardless, still an interesting educational video. Thanks for sharing OP!
11/11/2014 4:49:22 PM EDT
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What a waste, using that tiny block of ballistic soap...
11/11/2014 5:12:22 PM EDT
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no kidding
11/11/2014 5:13:30 PM EDT
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1000 rounds please!
11/11/2014 5:14:51 PM EDT
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Pretty  interesting.

I also read the book and found full of  historical footnotes....like the first time he caught sight of a M1C Garand. Until then I thought the M1C was only used in the Pacific Theater in the closing days of the War.
11/11/2014 5:27:11 PM EDT
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A waste of awesome ammo on a stupidly done test IMO. They are making way too many assumptions etc...

Now I would like to know how ballistic soap compares to gel for penetration, which they dont address either.
11/11/2014 5:32:11 PM EDT
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Why go to all that trouble and expense to test on that stupid small piece of gel?



It's like testing elephant rounds on chipmunks!




11/11/2014 5:37:05 PM EDT
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Yep.  Having done a little of this kind of stuff, I knew as soon as I saw it that they didn't have enough depth.

I would have loved to see that stuff shot into actual properly prepared, calibrated,  and refrigerated ballistics gelatin.  Would have been fascinating.

11/11/2014 5:37:14 PM EDT
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Russian please.



 
11/11/2014 5:48:50 PM EDT
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A waste of awesome ammo on a stupidly done test IMO. They are making way too many assumptions etc...



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Eh, it's cheaper than match 50 BMG ammo.



 
11/11/2014 5:52:37 PM EDT
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Pretty nasty stuff. I wonder how the test would have been affected by shooting through a couple layers of fabric simulating the uniform of the poor bastard shot with it. Or perhaps they could have gone Mythbusters style and used a pig carcass. Regardless, still an interesting educational video. Thanks for sharing OP!
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For that to work you would probably have to use a sedated pig.
11/11/2014 5:58:06 PM EDT
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god forbid you use hollow tips but exploding ammo is good to go?
11/11/2014 6:03:33 PM EDT
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For that to work you would probably have to use a sedated pig.
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Pretty nasty stuff. I wonder how the test would have been affected by shooting through a couple layers of fabric simulating the uniform of the poor bastard shot with it. Or perhaps they could have gone Mythbusters style and used a pig carcass. Regardless, still an interesting educational video. Thanks for sharing OP!



For that to work you would probably have to use a sedated pig.


Either way, shooting a pig would have been another waste of ammo.

Shoot properly prepared ballistics gelatin so that we could compare it to other ammo.

That would be a "controlled" and informative test.

11/11/2014 6:28:58 PM EDT
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I wonder what kind of explosive they used in them. It seemed pretty potent stuff since the bullets have so little internal volume and much of that had to be taken up by the detonator mechanism. Maybe something similar to our Comp-B of that time?
11/11/2014 6:30:15 PM EDT
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WTF is Ballistic Soap?
11/11/2014 6:36:32 PM EDT
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Apparently just a tetryl booster and some WP in the B-Patrone.

https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=16&t=554902
11/11/2014 6:36:50 PM EDT
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Soap.  

That you shoot.

And don't learn much, because it wasn't properly prepared ballistics gelatin.

11/11/2014 6:37:21 PM EDT
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Someone send O_P these rounds
11/11/2014 6:39:41 PM EDT
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Soap.  

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Soap.  

That you shoot.

And don't learn much, because it wasn't properly prepared ballistics gelatin.





While I think the test was stupid, just because its not in wide use in North America doesn't mean its not standardized.
11/11/2014 6:42:04 PM EDT
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While I think the test was stupid, just because its not in wide use in North America doesn't mean its not standardized.
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Soap.  

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While I think the test was stupid, just because its not in wide use in North America doesn't mean its not standardized.


Those guys were shooting in Russia?

11/11/2014 6:43:40 PM EDT
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Those guys were shooting in Russia?

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Soap.  

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While I think the test was stupid, just because its not in wide use in North America doesn't mean its not standardized.


Those guys were shooting in Russia?


Those guy were shooting American ammo?
11/11/2014 6:44:14 PM EDT
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Aim for a bony area.

Yeah the face and chest have a good bit of bone
Sorry but I'm not going for a dick shot
11/11/2014 6:44:51 PM EDT
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They were doing ballistics tests in America.  They should have used standard testing media.

You are just arguing to be arguing.

11/11/2014 6:45:00 PM EDT
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This is also the type of stuff inmates on death row could really help out with.
11/11/2014 6:47:06 PM EDT
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Holy schnikies.
11/11/2014 6:56:59 PM EDT
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I got my hands on a bit of .303 explosive years ago and shot it. Wish I had done more interesting tests with it, but it was cool stuff to shoot.
11/11/2014 7:02:13 PM EDT
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Soap.  

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Soap.  

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and much too small for a test block..

11/11/2014 7:03:19 PM EDT
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I once found a single round of .303 tracer and inflammatory ammo in some mixed stuff I bought.  It has three small holes in the front of the bullet.  Some guys here identified it as rounds made to use in aircraft machine guns to set enemy aircraft fuel tanks on fire.

I had never even heard of such.
11/11/2014 7:07:18 PM EDT
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I once found a single round of .303 tracer and inflammatory ammo in some mixed stuff I bought.  It has three small holes in the front of the bullet.  Some guys here identified it as rounds made to use in aircraft machine guns to set enemy aircraft fuel tanks on fire.

I had never even heard of such.
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I got my hands on a bit of .303 explosive years ago and shot it. Wish I had done more interesting tests with it, but it was cool stuff to shoot.


I once found a single round of .303 tracer and inflammatory ammo in some mixed stuff I bought.  It has three small holes in the front of the bullet.  Some guys here identified it as rounds made to use in aircraft machine guns to set enemy aircraft fuel tanks on fire.

I had never even heard of such.


I haven't heard of an "anti-fuel tank" round, but I do seem to remember reading about anti-airship incindiary rounds.... Sounds like what you're desecibing.
11/11/2014 7:09:13 PM EDT
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Back when cans of Yugoslavian 8x57 were widely available a few people received a case of reloaded German B-Patrones. That would be a heck of a surprise. Ordering Yugo 8mm at a nickel a round and getting German "spotting rounds" in Yugo brass.

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11/11/2014 7:11:31 PM EDT
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Soap.  

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While I think the test was stupid, just because its not in wide use in North America doesn't mean its not standardized.


Those guys were shooting in Russia?



You must have missed all of the Arctic Cactus in the background.
11/11/2014 7:22:05 PM EDT
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Also, the ammo is close to 70 years old so the age of the explosives may be a factor.
11/11/2014 7:24:28 PM EDT
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Interesting video thanks.

I thought exploding bullets were made up Hollywood stuff like in day of the jackal.


Soap, ballistic gel.

Hmmm I know a region that we could test it on.
11/11/2014 7:25:06 PM EDT
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They spend a good chunk of change and cheap out on the target
11/11/2014 7:31:43 PM EDT
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I fucking hate people like that.
11/11/2014 7:31:49 PM EDT
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I got my hands on a bit of .303 explosive years ago and shot it. Wish I had done more interesting tests with it, but it was cool stuff to shoot.






I once found a single round of .303 tracer and inflammatory ammo in some mixed stuff I bought.  It has three small holes in the front of the bullet.  Some guys here identified it as rounds made to use in aircraft machine guns to set enemy aircraft fuel tanks on fire.





I had never even heard of such.






I haven't heard of an "anti-fuel tank" round, but I do seem to remember reading about anti-airship incindiary rounds.... Sounds like what you're desecibing.





 

There were a good deal of explosive/incendiary .303 rounds developed and issued during WWI and WWII - balloon busting was also a motive of the incendiary .303 rounds.

 
11/11/2014 7:37:01 PM EDT
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In my cartridge collection I have a few different explosive rounds. I keep them in padded clear plastic tubes so they don't get bounced or hit by other rounds.
Some of my tracers and other exploding rounds have swelled by the moisture in the air and cracked the cases so I try to keep the ones I have in great shape.
11/11/2014 7:37:11 PM EDT
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Crappy website, video wouldn't work in Firefox or Internet Explorer, finally got it to work on Google Chrome, play 2-3 seconds, load 5-6-8 seconds, play 2-3 seconds, what a pain in the ASS!



I don't know what they did on that video that was different, other stories on the same page the video worked just fine.
11/11/2014 7:38:47 PM EDT
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Why don't we crowdfund a test?



I'd be down for a few bucks...




Seriously, why not?
11/11/2014 7:41:05 PM EDT
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plus assumptions and just being stupid.

11/11/2014 8:00:52 PM EDT
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I was just reading about this today (Blood Red Snow) and was wondering if they were really explosive.  Interesting video.