Posted: 11/5/2014 11:46:37 AM EDT
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I just built a new desktop PC and am going to re-purpose my old one as a kids' computer for my eight and ten year old kids. I was initially going to keep using my five year old-ish monitor (Samsung SyncMaster P2370) and buy a cheap(er) monitor for the kids computer until I realized the low-end wide screen monitors start around $80-$100! So, I might as well put that $80-$100 towards a new monitor for me, and give the kids my hand-me-down monitor.
Budget is $250, max $300. I want something 24"-27", in 1080p, with a refresh rate under 5ms (current Samsung has a refresh rate of 2ms). Mostly use my computer for gaming, internet, and typical usual home stuff. Thanks for your recommendations! |
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Dell Ultrasharp U2412M
24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. |
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Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. My old company just bought 80 of those monitors, and they are nice 
Beautiful, vivid, sharp colors with ZERO eyestrain after looking into them for ten hours. |
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My old company just bought 80 of those monitors, and they are nice
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Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. My old company just bought 80 of those monitors, and they are nice
Beautiful, vivid, sharp colors with ZERO eyestrain after looking into them for ten hours. I have 3 Dell P2312H monitors and love them. 5 ms, 1080, LED backlight. Only problem is they don't play well with mac. When my macbook goes to sleep, the monitor goes into an endless loop trying to go into powersave mode. |
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I've been using this one (link to Amazon) for three or four years. It's rock solid.
I'm kind of eyeballing the 27" model for an upgrade. It's still a bargain at $230. 4K is the next ultra-HD resolution (3840 x 2160 pixels). If your video card can output it, then go for it; but you'll probably want a 32" at minimum to take advantage of all that pixel real estate--and by then you'll have blown your budget. |
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4K is a resolution of 3840x2160. That would be a very costly 27"-28" monitor. A 24" 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor will suit 95% of people's needs just fine.  Quoted:
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Go 4k or go home. What is 4k? 4K is a resolution of 3840x2160. That would be a very costly 27"-28" monitor. A 24" 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor will suit 95% of people's needs just fine. Thanks for the explanation! I doubt my new PC could even run anything at that high of a resolution. That, and I'm sure that monitor would be well out of my price range. |
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$300 is enough to get a 27" 1440p model. 2560x1440 resolution which is still very usable at the 27" size. Pixel size is smaller than 1920x1200 on a 24" but not by too much. Still ok for average eyes. I would do that or two cheap 24" 1080p monitors. 27" 1080p looks like poop. |
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I have 3 Dell P2312H monitors and love them. 5 ms, 1080, LED backlight. Only problem is they don't play well with mac. When my macbook goes to sleep, the monitor goes into an endless loop trying to go into powersave mode. Quoted:
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Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. My old company just bought 80 of those monitors, and they are nice
Beautiful, vivid, sharp colors with ZERO eyestrain after looking into them for ten hours. I have 3 Dell P2312H monitors and love them. 5 ms, 1080, LED backlight. Only problem is they don't play well with mac. When my macbook goes to sleep, the monitor goes into an endless loop trying to go into powersave mode. I second the Dell P series. I have 2x P2314h's 8ms, 23" 1920x1080, IPS panel. They are fantastic, and for $300 you can get close to two of them if you shop around. |
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I have 3 Dell P2312H monitors and love them. 5 ms, 1080, LED backlight. Only problem is they don't play well with mac. When my macbook goes to sleep, the monitor goes into an endless loop trying to go into powersave mode. Quoted:
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Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. My old company just bought 80 of those monitors, and they are nice
Beautiful, vivid, sharp colors with ZERO eyestrain after looking into them for ten hours. I have 3 Dell P2312H monitors and love them. 5 ms, 1080, LED backlight. Only problem is they don't play well with mac. When my macbook goes to sleep, the monitor goes into an endless loop trying to go into powersave mode. I believe this is a problem with using a certain kind of adapter (I'm guessing you're using an adapter from the Thunderbolt or mini-displayport to displayport or DVI?). Get one of these if that's the case. Works great, adapting from Thunderbolt on my mac mini to DisplayPort on my Dell monitor. It will turn a Thunderbolt or Mini-DisplayPort into DisplayPort, HDMI, or DVI.
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Quoted: Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. |
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People still buy those for home? I traded in my desk and monitor for a couch and wall mount TV years ago. Some people don't have space to mount a TV on a wall and use it as a monitor. 
My computer desk is right in front of some windows. I suppose I should buy a big TV and mount it to the window frame? 
OP, get whatever works best for you and ignore the rest of the responses.  If you want a big 60" TV to use as a monitor, go for it. If you want a 24" monitor to use, get that instead. Everyone has their own opinions about what to get, and their needs or wants might differ significantly from yours.
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Quoted: This. I stare at two to those all day every day at work and they are very nice. Nice non-reflective screen, solid stand that is height adjustable and can switch between landscape and portrait mode. It's not a pro-photographer quality monitor, and it's not ideal for serious gamers with its relatively slow response time. For all other computer stuff though, it's a great monitor with good viewing angles and good color and a great reputation for a not-too-high price. Also no HDMI input (not that it really matters for a monitor without speakers). Quoted: Quoted: Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. I have two ACER 24" S241HL monitors that I bought at Walmart for $150 each, and find them equally acceptable. Here it is on Newegg for 139.99 shipped: newegg.com Acer S241HLbmid Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ACM 100,000,000:1 (1,000:1) Built-in Speakers
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I also have 2 of the 23" U2312HM monitors here. They seem just fine to me. I have two ACER 24" S241HL monitors that I bought at Walmart for $150 each, and find them equally acceptable. Here it is on Newegg for 139.99 shipped: newegg.com Acer S241HLbmid Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ACM 100,000,000:1 (1,000:1) Built-in Speakers
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Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. I have two ACER 24" S241HL monitors that I bought at Walmart for $150 each, and find them equally acceptable. Here it is on Newegg for 139.99 shipped: newegg.com Acer S241HLbmid Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 ACM 100,000,000:1 (1,000:1) Built-in Speakers
That Acer monitor is also a good recommendation, as long as you don't have a need to adjust the height of the screen. Heck, for the price of one of the Dell monitors I recommended you could get two of these Acer monitors. |
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This is on my want list for a gaming monitor: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ 24" 144hz and 1ms Grey to Grey latency. |
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Go 4k or go home. What is 4k? Unless you are running 3 980s in SLI, I wouldn't mess with 4K. You need some serious graphics muscle to game at that resolution...and no, average frames in the 30s (with dips into the teens/20s) is not a playable experience Just about any modern mid range card will get you a good gaming experience at 1080. ~2m pixels two of them will give you a pretty good experience at 2560x1600/1440. ~4m pixels (this is where i'm currently at. I use a radeon 7990 and get 50-120 fps on everything not called arma3) 4k is 8 million pixels, effectively doubling the load of 1600/1440p. Even though it's here, the rest of the industry needs to catch up to 4K in general. Graphics cards, especially in the affordable mid range, need more power to make it viable for gaming. We won't see much in the way of TV broadcasts for a while (my guess 2-4 years) due to bandwidth, and 4K blu ray players aren't really going to hit the mainstream until the end of 2015. The s**t looks GREAT, but just like HD it's going to take a while to mature and be viable. The Dell Ultrasharps are great screens btw. |
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1080 looks really bad in a 27" monitor. The largest I would want to use it in is a 17" laptop. The pixel density is too low.
If you are tired of 1080 but cannot afford 4k, which is still priced high in 27" and up models (and the 24"4k uses crap panel, not IPS like in the more expensive models) consider the intermediate resolution called 2560x1440. dell makes a nice monitor up2713hm and it is cost-effective. 2560x1440 looks real nice in a 27" model. |
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This is on my want list for a gaming monitor: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ 24" 144hz and 1ms Grey to Grey latency. that would be great in 28" + |
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This is on my want list for a gaming monitor: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ 24" 144hz and 1ms Grey to Grey latency. that would be great in 28" + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236302 ? |
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A little outside your budget but it's supposed to be pretty amazing.
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1080 looks really bad in a 27" monitor. The largest I would want to use it in is a 17" laptop. The pixel density is too low. If you are tired of 1080 but cannot afford 4k, which is still priced high in 27" and up models (and the 24"4k uses crap panel, not IPS like in the more expensive models) consider the intermediate resolution called 2560x1440. dell makes a nice monitor up2713hm and it is cost-effective. 2560x1440 looks real nice in a 27" model. 1080 looks good on my 27" samsung... any higher res and I wouldnt see the contacts approaching in my combat flight sims ;) I want to try 1080 on a 32" samsung TV... (im sitting more than a meter/yard away from the monitor |
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Good advice all. It looks like what is in my price range is a monitor with these specs:
24" 1080p 1ms-5ms response time 120Hz (or higher) refresh rate About the only thing different in those specs from my current Samsung monitor is the refresh rate. Mine is 60Hz. |
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Dell Ultrasharp U2412M 24" LED IPS monitor 16:10, 1920x1200 $270 from Amazon I have the U2312HM (23" 1920x1080) and love it. I have one of those and didn't even realize it. It's actually my roommate's, but he let me use it since he had two more of them. Next monitor will be one of the nice 27" IPS displays. I think they're 23xx by 1440. Either that, or full on 4k. I hopefully won't need another monitor for a while longer... but then I did just get a nice raise... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is on my want list for a gaming monitor: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ 24" 144hz and 1ms Grey to Grey latency. that would be great in 28" + http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236302 ? Not 144hz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236405 |
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just got email from newegg
24 " acrer $130 with promo code EXLWWPE24. free shipping http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-009-513&utm_medium=Email&nm_mc=EMC-GD110514&cm_mmc=EMC-GD110514-_-index-_-Item-_-24-009-513 |
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just got email from newegg 24 " acrer $130 with promo code EXLWWPE24. free shipping http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-009-513&utm_medium=Email&nm_mc=EMC-GD110514&cm_mmc=EMC-GD110514-_-index-_-Item-_-24-009-513 There you go OP, that's the same one I linked earlier that's $175 on Amazon. With the Newegg deal, you get a solid screen at an awesome price. With your budget, you could get two. Hell, I may jump in on another one. |
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This is on my want list for a gaming monitor: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ 24" 144hz and 1ms Grey to Grey latency. At $250 its probably worth grabbing over the xl2411z I linked. I actually own a vg248qe
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1080 looks really bad in a 27" monitor. The largest I would want to use it in is a 17" laptop. The pixel density is too low. If you are tired of 1080 but cannot afford 4k, which is still priced high in 27" and up models (and the 24"4k uses crap panel, not IPS like in the more expensive models) consider the intermediate resolution called 2560x1440. dell makes a nice monitor up2713hm and it is cost-effective. 2560x1440 looks real nice in a 27" model. This guy will need bifocals when he's 30. 
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Why constrain yourself with a specific response time? There are many great displays,. e.g. Dell Ultrasharp, that don't achieve the 5ms response time. IMO, only serious gamers should concern themselves with it. Because sub 5ms response and over 120Hz refresh rates are superior for PC gaming, giving far smoother video with less screen artifact such as ghosting. |
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Because sub 5ms response and over 120Hz refresh rates are superior for PC gaming, giving far smoother video with less screen artifact such as ghosting. Quoted:
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Why constrain yourself with a specific response time? There are many great displays,. e.g. Dell Ultrasharp, that don't achieve the 5ms response time. IMO, only serious gamers should concern themselves with it. Because sub 5ms response and over 120Hz refresh rates are superior for PC gaming, giving far smoother video with less screen artifact such as ghosting. If this helps, both my U2410 and U2712 are IPS and 60hz. I've used them both for gaming and get no (zero, zilch, nada, none at all) artifacts or ghosting. I have read many, many reviews where a tech writer talks about how much smoother the 120/240hz monitors are, but i've used 60hz monitors for a long time for gaming and the seem to do the trick. I wish i had a higher refresh rate monitor to compare directly, but in my case the artifacts and ghosting are non-existent. |
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Quoted: Because sub 5ms response and over 120Hz refresh rates are superior for PC gaming, giving far smoother video with less screen artifact such as ghosting. Usually it helps to let people know if you have any specific uses before asking for computer hardware recommendations. If you're not doing gaming, you don't need low ms. If you are, it's POSSIBLY important. Really only important for competitive online games with a fast pace (FPS, Starcraft). You don't need 2ms monitors to play SimCity. If your computer is "too slow" as you've said, you can probably spend the money that you would've put into a low-ms monitor into something with a better return on your investment (faster/more RAM can be done cheaply). |
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If this helps, both my U2410 and U2712 are IPS and 60hz. I've used them both for gaming and get no (zero, zilch, nada, none at all) artifacts or ghosting. I have read many, many reviews where a tech writer talks about how much smoother the 120/240hz monitors are, but i've used 60hz monitors for a long time for gaming and the seem to do the trick. I wish i had a higher refresh rate monitor to compare directly, but in my case the artifacts and ghosting are non-existent. Quoted:
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Why constrain yourself with a specific response time? There are many great displays,. e.g. Dell Ultrasharp, that don't achieve the 5ms response time. IMO, only serious gamers should concern themselves with it. Because sub 5ms response and over 120Hz refresh rates are superior for PC gaming, giving far smoother video with less screen artifact such as ghosting. If this helps, both my U2410 and U2712 are IPS and 60hz. I've used them both for gaming and get no (zero, zilch, nada, none at all) artifacts or ghosting. I have read many, many reviews where a tech writer talks about how much smoother the 120/240hz monitors are, but i've used 60hz monitors for a long time for gaming and the seem to do the trick. I wish i had a higher refresh rate monitor to compare directly, but in my case the artifacts and ghosting are non-existent. I'm kinda in the same boat since my aging Samsung is only 60Hz but it is a really nice fast monitor due to its 2ms refresh rate. Having never owned an IPS monitor I don't have actual experience to compare it to. This dilema (IPS vs non-IPS) reminds me of trying to decide between Plasma and LCDs TVs when my old CRT TV finally died. Both had their pros and cons. Plasma had richer colors, but the LCDs had sharper, crisper images but less rich colors (I eventually went with LCD). |
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First I've heard of this Lots of articles on it. Quoted:Usually it helps to let people know if you have any specific uses before asking for computer hardware recommendations. I thought I did in my OP, when I stated "Mostly use my computer for gaming, internet, and typical usual home stuff. " Quoted:If you're not doing gaming, you don't need low ms. If you are, it's POSSIBLY important. Really only important for competitive online games with a fast pace (FPS, Starcraft). You don't need 2ms monitors to play SimCity. I usually only play single player games, or some MMOs that aren't competitive. I'm not a big first-person shooter on-line gamer, if that is what you mean by competitive. Quoted:If your computer is "too slow" as you've said, you can probably spend the money that you would've put into a low-ms monitor into something with a better return on your investment (faster/more RAM can be done cheaply).
Well, I'm just assuming my PC would be too slow. Spec are: Case = Cooler Master HAF 912 - High Air Flow Mid Tower Computer Case Power = ENERMAX NAXN ADV. 82+ ETL650AWT 650W ATX12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply Mobo = ASUS Z97-A ATX DDR3 2600 LGA 1150 Motherboards Z97-A CPU = Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz LGA 1150 Boxed Processor RAM = Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT4G3D1609DS1S00 HD = Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive - OEM SSD = Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Single Unit Version Internal Solid State Drive MZ-7TE250BW Video Card = EVGA w/ ACX Cooling 02G-P4-2773-KR GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card Optical Drive = ASUS DVD Writer 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24F1ST - OEM OS = Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium |
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You have to be careful with the cheaper monitors. I got a nice 24" a few years ago only to find out later that the screen darkens if you are not looking at it perfectly straight. Not good for a digital artist/animator.
I got this one from Asus and it is really nice for the price. True color calibration with a wide viewing angle. $289 with the $20 rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236287 |