[ARCHIVED THREAD] - No-Knock Raid - Part 2 (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 9/16/2014 6:00:29 AM EDT
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First Go Around - Got Locked A bit off topic but my question is: If you have a John Dillinger type of career criminal, is a no-knock raid more acceptable than one that goes after a guy who has a couple of pot plants growing in his basement? I say yes and that is what no-knock raids should epitomize. So, to all of you who think no-knock raids should be abolished...........do you have any exceptions? |
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But what would the Founders say if the cops knew a John Dillinger type was in the house? My guess is they would say "raid it immediately". Quoted:
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The founders never intended the lVth the way it is today. The SCOTUS has gutted it. But what would the Founders say if the cops knew a John Dillinger type was in the house? My guess is they would say "raid it immediately". If the cops knew. Not if the cops had some doper-fuck on the payroll who was owed money by some guy, and thinks guy has a baby-momma at the address. |
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First one got locked: First Go Around - Got Locked A bit off topic but my question is: If you have a John Dillinger type of career criminal, is a no-knock raid more acceptable than one that goes after a guy who has a couple of pot plants growing in his basement? I say yes and that is what no-knock raids should epitomize. So, to all of you who think no-knock raids should be abolished...........do you have any exceptions? No one would question a no knock raid on Jon Dillinger. Or any other violent murderer. The very fact that this question is posed, however, is indicative of the fact that no knocks are unacceptable in almost any circumstance. Couple that with the fact that these things go on over trivial bullshit and your question answered itself. |
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....................... No one would question a no knock raid on Jon Dillinger. Or any other violent murderer. The very fact that this question is posed, however, is indicative of the fact that no knocks are unacceptable in almost any circumstance. Couple that with the fact that these things go on over trivial bullshit and your question answered itself. See the first and second posts. |
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc.
If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either. |
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either. Too extreme..........John Dillinger gets raided. |
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either. 
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In the eyes of GD, it is best to wait and catch him with a lasso while he's shopping at Whole Foods. This "GD says" BS is one of the worst logical fallacies that's thrown around here. But at least you try to make it dumber than usual by throwing a reductio ad absurdum in there too. 
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I don't believe they should be abolished, I just think they need to be limited to truly exceptional circumstances. 1) it should take more than the word of a criminal informant or anonymous tip for a no-knock to be used 2) destruction of evidence shouldn't be enough reason for a no-knock, they should only be used when there is a strong public safety benefit 3) someone needs to be responsible for ensuring the name on the warrant and the address actually correspond to the location being raided 4) if its just a search warrant, then wait till no one is home and break in. If you find nothing, at least you haven't terrified/shot an innocent person (or flash banged a baby) |
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First one got locked: First Go Around - Got Locked A bit off topic but my question is: If you have a John Dillinger type of career criminal, is a no-knock raid more acceptable than one that goes after a guy who has a couple of pot plants growing in his basement? I say yes and that is what no-knock raids should epitomize. So, to all of you who think no-knock raids should be abolished...........do you have any exceptions? 
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Too extreme..........John Dillinger gets raided. Quoted:
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either. Too extreme..........John Dillinger gets raided. What happens to LE if they think they are going after John Dillinger and instead hits John Q. Public?? Same shit right?? OR, are you saying we can at least limit the screw ups if we limit the use of No Knocks to John Dillinger types. We probably could lower the number of screw ups doing that. Then, I go back to my question. How many innocents….. how many mistakes are acceptable collateral damage?? You HAVE to have a number in mind. "Shit happens" is not an acceptable response to dead innocent Americans. |
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........................ What happens to LE if they think they are going after John Dillinger and instead hits John Q. Public?? Same shit right?? OR, are you saying we can at least limit the screw ups if we limit the use of No Knocks to John Dillinger types. We probably could lower the number of screw ups doing that. Then, I go back to my question. How many innocents….. how many mistakes are acceptable collateral damage?? You HAVE to have a number in mind. "Shit happens" is not an acceptable response to dead innocent Americans. I'm saying sometimes the criminal is so dangerous that you use a no-knock raid to apprehend him. I do think no-knocks are used too often for small fry stuff though. |
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But what would the Founders say if the cops knew a John Dillinger type was in the house? My guess is they would say "raid it immediately". Quoted:
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The founders never intended the lVth the way it is today. The SCOTUS has gutted it. But what would the Founders say if the cops knew a John Dillinger type was in the house? My guess is they would say "raid it immediately". Is he 'just there', making breakfast? Or is he in possession of a freshly kidnapped secretary who was shopping for dinner? There's a difference. In one situation, you let him go shopping and then go shopping for him, nice and quiet. The other, you call HRT. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either.
IBTL Good morning 75. Did you pack your crayons and Happy Meal this morning?? Make sure your socks match and your shoes are on the right feet. |
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I don't believe they should be abolished, I just think they need to be limited to truly exceptional circumstances. 1) it should take more than the word of a criminal informant or anonymous tip for a no-knock to be used 2) destruction of evidence shouldn't be enough reason for a no-knock, they should only be used when there is a strong public safety benefit 3) someone needs to be responsible for ensuring the name on the warrant and the address actually correspond to the location being raided 4) if its just a search warrant, then wait till no one is home and break in. If you find nothing, at least you haven't terrified/shot an innocent person (or flash banged a baby) One change and an addition: 3) Responsible changed to accountable. 5) If the agency decides to perform a dynamic entry they are responsible for any outcome since the design of the event is to disorient, confuse, and beat their decision process while at the same time guaranteeing to force the target into a fight or flight response. |
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Quoted: This "GD says" BS is one of the worst logical fallacies that's thrown around here. But at least you try to make it dumber than usual by throwing a reductio ad absurdum in there too. Quoted: Quoted: In the eyes of GD, it is best to wait and catch him with a lasso while he's shopping at Whole Foods. This "GD says" BS is one of the worst logical fallacies that's thrown around here. But at least you try to make it dumber than usual by throwing a reductio ad absurdum in there too.  |
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As if GD is the voice of reason. Just playing along at this point.
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In the eyes of GD, it is best to wait and catch him with a lasso while he's shopping at Whole Foods. This "GD says" BS is one of the worst logical fallacies that's thrown around here. But at least you try to make it dumber than usual by throwing a reductio ad absurdum in there too.
Some monkeys at the zoo throw their feces. You should still expect to be called out if you start doing it while visiting. |
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either. 
I'm all for more accountability. You fuck up, there will be some sort of consequence. After all, the rest of us have consequences when we fuck up. |
| GD is the world's best stocked repository of projection of pots onto kettles, willful failures of logic and thinly veiled prejudice. The pretense should, in any sane world, be more embarrassing than just coming out and being one's self...but that generally wouldn't skirt the COC. So pitiful it's funny. |
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No knock is illegal in NH... So on the opposite side a few years back we had a police chief and officers serving an arrest warrant on a meth head. Police chief knocks on door, announces police with warrant and was gunned down through the door.
I'm still against no knock warrants but either way innocent people may die. The police chief knew what he was there to do, he signed up for the dangerous job, and while I'm not saying "better him than any other innocent civilian." At least he was afforded the opportunity to choose the career. The war on drugs is what is costing most of these peoples lives. |
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I always find it a bit strange that GD doesn't have hard numbers on how many of whatever type of warrant are served each year...yet they are somehow too frequent...
What is the definition of a "no knock" vs a "rapid entry" vs a "regular" warrant? Define knock. Define identify. Define entry. Until you have hard data and specific definitions for specific terms, its all going to be personal oppinion. |
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either.
IBTL Well, don't know about y'all, but I sure am glad that J75players cleared all of that up for me. I would have been completely lost if not for that informative smilie. |
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I always find it a bit strange that GD doesn't have hard numbers on how many of whatever type of warrant are served each year...yet they are somehow too frequent... What is the definition of a "no knock" vs a "rapid entry" vs a "regular" warrant? Define knock. Define identify. Define entry. Until you have hard data and specific definitions for specific terms, its all going to be personal oppinion. Quoted:
I always find it a bit strange that GD doesn't have hard numbers on how many of whatever type of warrant are served each year...yet they are somehow too frequent... What is the definition of a "no knock" vs a "rapid entry" vs a "regular" warrant? Define knock. Define identify. Define entry. Until you have hard data and specific definitions for specific terms, its all going to be personal oppinion. IMHO there's only two types of warrant services and all your terms are distinctions without differences. There are standard services where you knock on the door and wait a reasonable time (reasonable defined as randomly knocking on chiefs of police, local politicians, and judges' doors and seeing how long it takes them to answer). Then there are no-knock or knock and announce (aka basically no-knocks). No do you really need us to define "entry" for you or does the one in the dictionary already do that well enough: en·try /'entre/
noun noun: entry; plural noun: entries 1. an act of going or coming in. "the door was locked, but he forced an entry" synonyms: appearance, arrival, entrance, ingress, coming "my moment of entry" And do you know why we have no hard numbers? Because with all of the statistics that police agencies do there is almost nowhere that this information is collected or made available. |
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Well, don't know about y'all, but I sure am glad that J75players cleared all of that up for me. I would have been completely lost if not for that informative smilie. Quoted:
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either.
IBTL Well, don't know about y'all, but I sure am glad that J75players cleared all of that up for me. I would have been completely lost if not for that informative smilie. well i'm sorry, but I tire of trying to explain reality to children 
he just goes on and on about the same conspiracy theories of how the drug war is some deep seeded plot by THEM to condition the American public for SOMETHING. so, forgive me if I dont put much effort into a response to lunacy ETA: oh, and I think that smiley very accurately conveys my thoughts on the dipper and his "opinion" |
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Even knock and announce isn't executed in the spirit of the constitution, it is effectively a cause a massive commotion during the announcement and...GO!
The whole SWAT and SWAT-ish tactical warrant service concept has been badly abused and overused, it's begging to be lopped off like a gangrenous limb. |
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I always find it a bit strange that GD doesn't have hard numbers on how many of whatever type of warrant are served each year...yet they are somehow too frequent... What is the definition of a "no knock" vs a "rapid entry" vs a "regular" warrant? Define knock. Define identify. Define entry. Until you have hard data and specific definitions for specific terms, its all going to be personal oppinion. What's your personal opinion? How many deaths and injuries of innocent Americans is acceptable to you while LE carries out No Knocks? Do you really want to play the " depends what the definition of is is" game?? |
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well i'm sorry, but I tire of trying to explain reality to children
he just goes on and on about the same conspiracy theories of how the drug war is some deep seeded plot by THEM to condition the American public for SOMETHING. so, forgive me if I dont put much effort into a response to lunacy Something changed between the time America shook off it's prohibition insanity and today's version of the WOD. There's certainly a large contingent of Americans and politicians that want government to control things they don't like which when mixed all together pretty much means EVERYTHING. THEM, are nebulous but real. |
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well i'm sorry, but I tire of trying to explain reality to children
he just goes on and on about the same conspiracy theories of how the drug war is some deep seeded plot by THEM to condition the American public for SOMETHING. so, forgive me if I dont put much effort into a response to lunacy ETA: oh, and I think that smiley very accurately conveys my thoughts on the dipper and his "opinion" Quoted:
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either.
IBTL Well, don't know about y'all, but I sure am glad that J75players cleared all of that up for me. I would have been completely lost if not for that informative smilie. well i'm sorry, but I tire of trying to explain reality to children
he just goes on and on about the same conspiracy theories of how the drug war is some deep seeded plot by THEM to condition the American public for SOMETHING. so, forgive me if I dont put much effort into a response to lunacy ETA: oh, and I think that smiley very accurately conveys my thoughts on the dipper and his "opinion" You really haven't explained anything to anyone. You just post emoticons and stupid comments instead of talking like an adult. Why don't you tell us why or borders are left virtually wide open yet "we" fight the drug war door to door with innocent Americans being put in harms way. Honestly, you seem childish and unable to defend your position…… which is to laugh and make stupid comments. So, educate us. Tell us why it is better to fight a "war" on our streets putting innocent Americans at risk rather than fight it on our border. |
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You really haven't explained anything to anyone. You just post emoticons and stupid comments instead of talking like an adult. Why don't you tell us why or borders are left virtually wide open yet "we" fight the drug war door to door with innocent Americans being put in harms way. Honestly, you seem childish and unable to defend your position…… which is to laugh and make stupid comments. So, educate us. Tell us why it is better to fight a "war" on our streets putting innocent Americans at risk rather than fight it on our border. Or tell us what the results of the war to date are? Can people who want a particular drug not easily find it? Is drug usage decreasing? |
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Quoted: Some monkeys at the zoo throw their feces. You should still expect to be called out if you start doing it while visiting. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In the eyes of GD, it is best to wait and catch him with a lasso while he's shopping at Whole Foods. This "GD says" BS is one of the worst logical fallacies that's thrown around here. But at least you try to make it dumber than usual by throwing a reductio ad absurdum in there too. Some monkeys at the zoo throw their feces. You should still expect to be called out if you start doing it while visiting. |
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Snatch and grab when the guy is picking up his morning coffee. This should be utilized more. Still a place for no knocks. More leg wok should be done to verify the correct address and person first however. It amazes me that folks think taking down a known violent criminal in public is a good idea. Like putting a hungry lion into a kindergarten class, I'll just leave it at that. |
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either. Pizza delivery places make mistakes all the time. UPS, FedEx, and the post office do too. |
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Quoted: First one got locked: First Go Around - Got Locked A bit off topic but my question is: If you have a John Dillinger type of career criminal, is a no-knock raid more acceptable than one that goes after a guy who has a couple of pot plants growing in his basement? I say yes and that is what no-knock raids should epitomize. So, to all of you who think no-knock raids should be abolished...........do you have any exceptions? |
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Snatch and grab when the guy is picking up his morning coffee. This should be utilized more. Still a place for no knocks. More leg wok should be done to verify the correct address and person first however. So you want there to be more violence in public instead of getting the person at their home? |
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Pizza delivery places make mistakes all the time. UPS, FedEx, and the post office do too. Quoted:
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No, no exceptions at this time. To many screw ups and innocent people and dogs being killed, injured, harassed, etc. If LE can't take this shit seriously and get the right address ( domino's pizza can ) they should lose their ability to conduct such raids. I mean, that's the real problem isn't it?? Wrong address raids and going on the word of some drug addict criminal and overuse of swat teams serving common warrants. Maybe if each individual that takes part in a bad raid is held accountable criminally that would make a difference. The person or persons that put down the wrong address faces criminal Negligence charges and anyone who lies about what happened in a raid gets terminated immediately … like all those officers that lied about the dead Marine…..etc…. you know, some accountability. LE is like a bad teenager that wrecks the car, runs up a huge cell phone bill, and screws up in school. We can either be dismissive parents and suffer the consequences or we can take their shit away until they shape up. Tired of reading "mistakes were made" and " we have sorrow for"……. citizens don't get to say " I made a mistake" and their problems go away……. LE shouldn't either. Pizza delivery places make mistakes all the time. UPS, FedEx, and the post office do too. I've had pizza guys ask me to help them find addresses. I've also had UPS fail to find my house when I'm the only one on the whole street. 
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What 99% of the bitching about search warrants is here is really about people who want drugs legalized and bitching about no knock warrants for dealers is a proxy. Quoted:
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First one got locked: First Go Around - Got Locked A bit off topic but my question is: If you have a John Dillinger type of career criminal, is a no-knock raid more acceptable than one that goes after a guy who has a couple of pot plants growing in his basement? I say yes and that is what no-knock raids should epitomize. So, to all of you who think no-knock raids should be abolished...........do you have any exceptions? Damn, that was perfectly accurate and succint.
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Quoted: Or tell us what the results of the war to date are? Can people who want a particular drug not easily find it? Is drug usage decreasing? Quoted: Quoted: You really haven't explained anything to anyone. You just post emoticons and stupid comments instead of talking like an adult. Why don't you tell us why or borders are left virtually wide open yet "we" fight the drug war door to door with innocent Americans being put in harms way. Honestly, you seem childish and unable to defend your position…… which is to laugh and make stupid comments. So, educate us. Tell us why it is better to fight a "war" on our streets putting innocent Americans at risk rather than fight it on our border. Or tell us what the results of the war to date are? Can people who want a particular drug not easily find it? Is drug usage decreasing?  Like I said this is really just "I think drugs should be legalized." Okay, fine, but they aren't and there is no sensible way for police to carry out their work without search warrants. I do think search warrants are given out too freely and think that informant testimony is given too much weight. You see police swearing out how "reliable" an informant is and really they are almost all just pieces of shit who the cops would not trust to watch their dog for the weekend. |
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I don't believe they should be abolished, I just think they need to be limited to truly exceptional circumstances. 1) it should take more than the word of a criminal informant or anonymous tip for a no-knock to be used 2) destruction of evidence shouldn't be enough reason for a no-knock, they should only be used when there is a strong public safety benefit 3) someone needs to be responsible for ensuring the name on the warrant and the address actually correspond to the location being raided 4) if its just a search warrant, then wait till no one is home and break in. If you find nothing, at least you haven't terrified/shot an innocent person (or flash banged a baby) Agreed......... |
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Snatch and grab when the guy is picking up his morning coffee. This should be utilized more. Still a place for no knocks. More leg wok should be done to verify the correct address and person first however. .............yeah, lets turn the 7-11 in to a 2 way range |
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Quoted: Okay so let's also forget about child pornography since the police can't stop that. Like I said this is really just "I think drugs should be legalized." Okay, fine, but they aren't and there is no sensible way for police to carry out their work without search warrants. I do think search warrants are given out too freely and think that informant testimony is given too much weight. You see police swearing out how "reliable" an informant is and really they are almost all just pieces of shit who the cops would not trust to watch their dog for the weekend. |
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No knock should be banned, it's dangerous to the police and it's dangerous to civilians. Surround the property if need be. Some man is in jail for killing a cop in a no knock. If I'm on the jury, he walks. Part in red: I'm good with that, especially as I get closer to retirement........$$$$ OT $$$$$. .................except John Q. Taxpayer will be fucking screaming when they get the tax bill for all the OT it will cost. |
