Posted: 8/22/2014 7:33:15 PM EDT
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http://poststuff2.entensity.net/082214/Powell-Shooting.php
Speaking more to the shot fired.... 
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Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. |
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I'm failing to see the issue with this shoot. Just because a guy is down on the ground doesn't mean he's out of the fight. For all we know he went down, dropped the knife, and then was reaching for it while the last rounds were fired. Or maybe he held onto it and was trying to reach towards an officer with it.
Not to even mention that shots fired immediately after someone has gone down could very possibly be just because the officer didn't react quick enough to realize the guy was going down. |
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Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? |
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Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. This |
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Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Quoted:
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Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Sigh..... |
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Quoted: Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Quoted: Quoted: Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Your state has a castle doctrine. You are being intentionally obtuse because you have an axe to grind with "the man". It's your axe, grind away. |
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Your state has a castle doctrine. You are being intentionally obtuse because you have an axe to grind with "the man". It's your axe, grind away. Quoted:
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Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Your state has a castle doctrine. You are being intentionally obtuse because you have an axe to grind with "the man". It's your axe, grind away. No axe to grind just never seen a video like this I guess. |
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Quoted: No axe to grind just never seen a video like this I guess. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Your state has a castle doctrine. You are being intentionally obtuse because you have an axe to grind with "the man". It's your axe, grind away. No axe to grind just never seen a video like this I guess. It's not like the cops on your favorite show, is it? If you are that worried about liability and use of force, put your gun away, and memorize the number to 911. |
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It's not like the cops on your favorite show, is it? If you are that worried about liability and use of force, put your gun away, and memorize the number to 911. Quoted:
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Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Your state has a castle doctrine. You are being intentionally obtuse because you have an axe to grind with "the man". It's your axe, grind away. No axe to grind just never seen a video like this I guess. It's not like the cops on your favorite show, is it? If you are that worried about liability and use of force, put your gun away, and memorize the number to 911. In the movies a gun kills someone with 1 shot. You must be a police officer or maybe a wizard |
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I have been a police firearms instructor for 18 years. We teach and are taught to shoot until the threat is no longer a threat. It is subjective and different for each individual reasonable officer. What is a threat to one may not be a threat to another. That is why there are shootings where one officer shoots but another doesn't. He may not have perceived the threat.
Coincidentally, a 6'4'" 300 pound person advancing in an aggressive manner on a 5'8" 160 pound person is a viable threat. Any person advancing on you with a knife is a viable threat. If and how you perceive that threat and how you react to it is an individual response and should be judged on its reasonableness based on what the officer believed at the time. Based on what had been released thus far, both of those MO. shoots are good shoots. |
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Quoted: No axe to grind just never seen a video like this I guess. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is this a rhetorical question? Trained in what way? To use a gun when faced with a knife? To fire until the threat is stopped? Do you have a problem with the shots fired after the nut job is down? If so, you're fabricating an issue out of nothing. While you are observing the video from the safety of your computer for the umpteenth time, the officers involved are living it real time. You don't feel any stress. They do. Immediately after the fact, they likely have no idea how many shots they fired, exactly when they fired, or exactly when they stopped firing. Not an issue, really. The shooting was completely justified. Just curious, can the same be said about a home or car owner when defending against a threat or are civilians required to justify the amount of shots fired at BG? Ex: if a BG is i my home with a weapon am I justified to shoot him as many time as I see fit based on my stress or can I be liable for excess force? Your state has a castle doctrine. You are being intentionally obtuse because you have an axe to grind with "the man". It's your axe, grind away. No axe to grind just never seen a video like this I guess. It is not pretty or glorious like in the movies. You will not find yourself cheering for the good guy like when your favorite action hero vanquishes his foe. It is much more gut punching when you see it in real life. I watched the police shoot a car jacking suspect when he tried to run them over and got stuck in the process, then he grabbed a pistol and tried to bail out of the passenger side. I got down at that point so I did not see the actual shooting, but I poked my head up right after they shot him. He flopped out of the passenger side of that truck and on to the pavement and was writhing around in pain and reaching up towards one of the officers like "help me... I now realize that I have screwed up and I am dying". I have seen a few dead bodies, but watching someone die is another story. You notice how the former loud mouth camera man gets much more quiet right after the shoot... it hit him like that too. The shooting is only the beginning you must also survive the aftermath. Desensitization can help. I imagine that you run it in our mind over and over, wondering if you could have done something another way... it seems rather torturous to me. Every day when I put on my pistol, I thank God that I have it, and pray that I do not have to use it. |
