Posted: 8/9/2014 9:57:27 AM EDT
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Mid July and I find myself in need of $130.00 to pay a bill coming due and I guess my pride prevents me from borrowing from friend. So I pawn my G21, tell the guy I just want $150 for it, get my cash, all is good.
Wednesday of this week I return to pawn shop the retrieve my pistol, pay $187.50 + $5.00 for the phone call to Tallahassee, and fill out form #4473. Clerk gives the info, he's put on hold for 15 minutes or so , they give a conditional non-approval. This happens approx. half the time I buy a gun even with my CWP , so I know I can return in 3 business days and if they have no further info from FDLE they must release the gun to me, the dealers always making me aware if it becomes a denial that LE will come to me wanting said firearm. Fine, never had a problem. Thursday around 10:00 a.m., I get a phone call from the lady at the pawn, "cool I think to myself, they heard back from FDLE and I now have an approval and I may come collect my gun". Wrong, " you've been DENIED, we cannot release the gun to you." HOLY, WTF ?? @##$$@^^&# WTF!!!!!!!!!!.............. ", I think to myself. She informs me that they have an appeal sheet for me to pick up and fill out and send to FDLE. In twenty odd years I have never had a straight up denial. Less than two hours after her phone call I have the paper filled out, got fingerprinted, and sent it certified to FDLE in Tallahassee. A little backstory here. As mentioned earlier I have had conditional non-approvals before. Now my name is not very common but I believe their are two others in FL. with the same name, so I always thought there was an ID issue. And in full disclosure I do have a criminal history dating back to mid-1970's. Misdemeanor drug charges , marijuana poss. , no felony convictions, yes I do have felony arrests, no indictments, therefore no formal charges were ever filed for any felony charges. No DV charges either. Thursday afternoon I call FDLE Fire arm Purchase Program, give the lady the( number of shame) denial she pulls my record, now apparently they are not permitted to give out specific info, but informs me that she sees a felony conviction on my record from sometime in the 1990's. More WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from me knowing full well that is incorrect also knowing not try to argue with her she is simply reading off a screen. Late Thurs. afternoon I call clerk of the court in Pinellas county asking how I may view my criminal history, I was unaware it was public record, never really gave it much thought. So I get home pull up my history and at one point I chuckle to myself and think "if I was looking at this record at first glance there is no way in hell this guy can legally own a firearm". However in depth inspection offers no disqualifiers what so ever. As I sit there looking at my history over and over there is this one line I keep looking at pertaining to a time I was extradited courtesy of MD. for a BATT/DUI it states. These are two separate instances for those still following along. These occurred in 1987. Two columns to the left are the words: FELONY-OUT OF COUNTY OPEN-CONVERSION The crime of battery in the state of MD. is not a felony, it is a misdemeanor, however it carries an open ended term of imprisonment. This harkens back to the King of England and "Common Law" if I remember correctly. The battery charge was dropped before trial anyway. Almost positive the SA for the county in MD. put the word felony on the warrant as we had knocked heads a time or two in the past. So now it's Friday morning and I call back to FDLE FPP number to see if what I just described is what they were interpreting as a felony conviction and what I needed to do to get it resolved as far as any documentation from MD. The lady puts me on hold for several minutes comes back and says they (FDLE) apologize that one their examiners misread some info and I could pick up my pistol anytime that the dealer has been notified. FREE AT LAST!!!!!! What a fucking relief. About two years ago I printed the info for the UPIN number and put it in my file cabinet . Monday morning I will be going back to the Sherriff's office to get fingerprinted yet again and right down the street to the post office. I am posting this in GD in the hope that some may benefit from my situation and that these people sometimes do make mistakes like all of us and at least, in my case they are willing correct those mistake upon discovery. And because I have admitted to being arrested a "few" times or smoked a joint or two in the past there are sure to be those that think I should lose all my rights and freedoms and be imprisoned for life. BTW: I quit smoking weed about seven years ago. FLAMESUIT ON. |
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You need to seriously take a look at your lifestyle/financial choices if you need to pawn a ~$450 pistol to pay a $130 bill.
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If you have issues from time to time, a UPIN is the way to go. There's some real assholes in the next county over that share my last name. Needless to say it's caused me some wait time until it got sorted out, now there are no issues with the UPIN. Get it and never look back. And yes, every time that I've filled a 4473 out I always used my SSN, so no idea how they got me mixed up with the criminals. |
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That's all I got for ya, OP. FPNI. Quoted:
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It pays not to be a shithead when you are young. FPNI. a lot of us did stupid juvenile shit when we were younger, we just didn't get caught. none of what the OP listed was really bad does he deserve to still be paying for it now? |
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a lot of us did stupid juvenile shit when we were younger, we just didn't get caught. none of what the OP listed was really bad does he deserve to still be paying for it now? Quoted:
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It pays not to be a shithead when you are young. FPNI. a lot of us did stupid juvenile shit when we were younger, we just didn't get caught. none of what the OP listed was really bad does he deserve to still be paying for it now? You're asking that question here? You should know what the answer is going to be, you've been here longer than I have. 
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Quoted: And because I have admitted to being arrested a "few" times or smoked a joint or two in the past there are sure to be those that think I should lose all my rights and freedoms and be imprisoned for life. BTW: I quit smoking weed about seven years ago. Quoted: It pays not to be a shithead when you are young. |
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You need to seriously take a look at your lifestyle/financial choices if you need to pawn a ~$450 pistol to pay a $130 bill. http://www.daveramsey.com/tools/budget-forms/ Fuck Dave Ramsey, that being said, I never said I did not have the money , actually I have 4 separate accounts that I maintain , one being dedicated to future car repair/maintenance as I own a taxicab that now has 342k on the clock, may get another 2 years out of it then purchase another. I do best when I hide money from myself, as one account goes to Christmas/ end of year money, one account I actually make deposits and pay out of, one for "toys", and I have a stash of cash in my home but if I utilize any of them for monthly expenses, then I'll easily justify it the next time. Summer season is our slow time here in FL. Oh, did I say FUCK Dave Ramsey yet ?? |
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That's all I got for ya, OP. FPNI. Quoted:
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It pays not to be a shithead when you are young. FPNI. All these years later, I still do not consider it being a shithead, badass maybe, I /we plain did not give a fuck. You see members here all the time posting their give a fuck meters, simply put I truly did not give a fuck. I mean the absolute worst that could happen was I would die. |
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I thought the upin was just to distinguish you from someone else that you were being confused with. It doesn't help hide your past or anything. Florida wins again! You are absolutely correct, I never believed it would hide a past, it simply clarifies to the examiner(s) that a individual has no disqualifiers as it is an FBI program and does not rely on state checks. When I initially applied foe my CWP in '04, FDLE could see that I had arrest in MD. in the 70's, because they go that far back they could not even see what the arrests were for. I was required to obtain sworn affidavits from MD. stating the reason for arrest. I called the clerk of the court, who referred me to MSP who referred me to the FBI in Clarksburg, VA. who finally directed me to the MD. state archives. BINGO, got the docs , sent Tallahassee , BOOM not so fast there , They now require copies of the statutes from the time frame to ascertain whether these infractions are misdemeanors or felonies. Back to contact the state archives, who directs me to the MD. state law library. I supplied the docs and received the CWP approx. ninety days after initial application , when most at that time were running thirty days or less, |
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You're asking that question here? You should know what the answer is going to be, you've been here longer than I have.
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It pays not to be a shithead when you are young. FPNI. a lot of us did stupid juvenile shit when we were younger, we just didn't get caught. none of what the OP listed was really bad does he deserve to still be paying for it now? You're asking that question here? You should know what the answer is going to be, you've been here longer than I have.
I keep forgetting most of GD never sets foot outside of their mom's basement
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Fuck Dave Ramsey, that being said, I never said I did not have the money , actually I have 4 separate accounts that I maintain , one being dedicated to future car repair/maintenance as I own a taxicab that now has 342k on the clock, may get another 2 years out of it then purchase another. I do best when I hide money from myself, as one account goes to Christmas/ end of year money, one account I actually make deposits and pay out of, one for "toys", and I have a stash of cash in my home but if I utilize any of them for monthly expenses, then I'll easily justify it the next time. Summer season is our slow time here in FL. Oh, did I say FUCK Dave Ramsey yet ?? Quoted:
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You need to seriously take a look at your lifestyle/financial choices if you need to pawn a ~$450 pistol to pay a $130 bill. http://www.daveramsey.com/tools/budget-forms/ Fuck Dave Ramsey, that being said, I never said I did not have the money , actually I have 4 separate accounts that I maintain , one being dedicated to future car repair/maintenance as I own a taxicab that now has 342k on the clock, may get another 2 years out of it then purchase another. I do best when I hide money from myself, as one account goes to Christmas/ end of year money, one account I actually make deposits and pay out of, one for "toys", and I have a stash of cash in my home but if I utilize any of them for monthly expenses, then I'll easily justify it the next time. Summer season is our slow time here in FL. Oh, did I say FUCK Dave Ramsey yet ?? Hey, you're the one that said you basically paid some pawn shop $192.50 for $150 in return when you "have a stash of cash at home". I bow to you financial genius.... 
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Hey, you're the one that said you basically paid some pawn shop $192.50 for $150 in return when you "have a stash of cash at home". I bow to you financial genius....
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You need to seriously take a look at your lifestyle/financial choices if you need to pawn a ~$450 pistol to pay a $130 bill. http://www.daveramsey.com/tools/budget-forms/ Fuck Dave Ramsey, that being said, I never said I did not have the money , actually I have 4 separate accounts that I maintain , one being dedicated to future car repair/maintenance as I own a taxicab that now has 342k on the clock, may get another 2 years out of it then purchase another. I do best when I hide money from myself, as one account goes to Christmas/ end of year money, one account I actually make deposits and pay out of, one for "toys", and I have a stash of cash in my home but if I utilize any of them for monthly expenses, then I'll easily justify it the next time. Summer season is our slow time here in FL. Oh, did I say FUCK Dave Ramsey yet ?? Hey, you're the one that said you basically paid some pawn shop $192.50 for $150 in return when you "have a stash of cash at home". I bow to you financial genius....
I'll handle my funds the way I choose and you handle yours the way someone else tells you . As stated above some things I'd rather do it and pay the price (whatever it may be), rather than take the easy way out. I know I like to spend money and like every thing else the price of renting pussy is going up and dropping it off later in the day is still cheaper than being married to it. 
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All I got from this was "Don't Pawn Guns" For me, never again. Pawned a nice Kimber Custom Eclipse II for a short term Christmas present spree and had to do the backround check here in Florida to get it back and never knew that's how things operate, however while I've always passed my checks on the spot, the main phone line was down and I had to go the secondary route, which ultimately worked. Chris |
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Ive gotten delayed everytime but twice.
The first time I was instantly approved was on my Stag rifle and the second just a few days ago, when I was picking up a rifle,handgun and other. I actually made a joke to my ffl that I forgot to bring a rifle case with me since I always have to come back within a day or two so Id probably get instantly approved this time. I did. 
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And of course with that logic, never buy a gun from an FFL, back alley deals are ALWAYS legit.
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All I got from this post was "Don't Pawn your Guns" And of course with that logic, never buy a gun from an FFL, back alley deals are ALWAYS legit.
I didn't say not to Buy them. I said don't Pawn them. Especially if there is a chance you might have to go through all of the shit you did. But hey, it's your time. |
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Got my UPIN last week after a bunch of BS.
Criminal trespass in the early 90's, non felony, non DV. Feds decided themselves it was a DV charge. Had to get my rights restored to please the Feds. All of this while holding a current and valid concealed pistol license and a few guns I passed the background check on in the previous years. The state of WA "gave my rights back" which they never took in the first place and months later the Feds finally conceded that I could own firearms ( after multiple approvals over the years from them and approval of a CPL from the state) Finally got my lowers after almost 1.5 years of BS. UPIN from now on. |
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For me, never again. Pawned a nice Kimber Custom Eclipse II for a short term Christmas present spree and had to do the backround check here in Florida to get it back and never knew that's how things operate, however while I've always passed my checks on the spot, the main phone line was down and I had to go the secondary route, which ultimately worked. Chris Quoted:
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All I got from this was "Don't Pawn Guns" For me, never again. Pawned a nice Kimber Custom Eclipse II for a short term Christmas present spree and had to do the backround check here in Florida to get it back and never knew that's how things operate, however while I've always passed my checks on the spot, the main phone line was down and I had to go the secondary route, which ultimately worked. Chris I did not go in the shop asking ,"how much can I possibly get for this ? , I've made way more purchases than pawns , I was aware of the approx. 30% rate, that's why I only requested $150.00 instead of going for more. I told the owner, who by the way was as surprised as I was , if I ever need your service again I will damn sure bring something not regulated. The gun was actually much easier to transport than say fishing rods, bicycles tools, electronics. Actually, it just occurred to me that is the first gun I have pawned. Bought S&W 19 years ago and a P-91 Ruger. |
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I didn't say not to Buy them. I said don't Pawn them. Especially if there is a chance you might have to go through all of the shit you did. But hey, it's your time. Quoted:
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All I got from this post was "Don't Pawn your Guns" And of course with that logic, never buy a gun from an FFL, back alley deals are ALWAYS legit.
I didn't say not to Buy them. I said don't Pawn them. Especially if there is a chance you might have to go through all of the shit you did. But hey, it's your time. When you pawn a firearm and go back to get it you still MUST complete a 4473 form just like you were buying a gun from a dealer. At least that's how it works here in FL. |
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Got my UPIN last week after a bunch of BS. Criminal trespass in the early 90's, non felony, non DV. Feds decided themselves it was a DV charge. Had to get my rights restored to please the Feds. All of this while holding a current and valid concealed pistol license and a few guns I passed the background check on in the previous years. The state of WA "gave my rights back" which they never took in the first place and months later the Feds finally conceded that I could own firearms ( after multiple approvals over the years from them and approval of a CPL from the state) Finally got my lowers after almost 1.5 years of BS. UPIN from now on. You like to stick it in the crazy, don't you? |
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Got my UPIN last week after a bunch of BS. Criminal trespass in the early 90's, non felony, non DV. Feds decided themselves it was a DV charge. Had to get my rights restored to please the Feds. All of this while holding a current and valid concealed pistol license and a few guns I passed the background check on in the previous years. The state of WA "gave my rights back" which they never took in the first place and months later the Feds finally conceded that I could own firearms ( after multiple approvals over the years from them and approval of a CPL from the state) Finally got my lowers after almost 1.5 years of BS. UPIN from now on. Quoted:
Got my UPIN last week after a bunch of BS. Criminal trespass in the early 90's, non felony, non DV. Feds decided themselves it was a DV charge. Had to get my rights restored to please the Feds. All of this while holding a current and valid concealed pistol license and a few guns I passed the background check on in the previous years. The state of WA "gave my rights back" which they never took in the first place and months later the Feds finally conceded that I could own firearms ( after multiple approvals over the years from them and approval of a CPL from the state) Finally got my lowers after almost 1.5 years of BS. UPIN from now on. You have a Washington CPL? Washington Concealed pistol license issued on or after July 22, 2011 qualify.
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I thought the upin was just to distinguish you from someone else that you were being confused with. It doesn't help hide your past or anything. Florida wins again! Help distinguish from others, and a direct line to supervisor for 'further review' on same call. cuts out a lot of BS, opinions, and call backs. |