[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Current FBI sidearm (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/4/2014 9:10:01 AM EDT
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. |
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. 
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Quoted: If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted: Quoted: I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Who needs a follow up shot when you're already shooting 2x 9mm worth of lead?  |
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me.  Those are all valid points.
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Oh look, an expert. |
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. |
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't need to make sense to you. Choices are good. |
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Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. What about the .357 sig? IIRC one of its major advantages to law enforcement was penetrating car windows and doors. Its not a super heavy bullet. Same with the 50g TSX. |
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What about the .357 sig? IIRC one of its major advantages to law enforcement was penetrating car windows and doors. Its not a super heavy bullet. Same with the 50g TSX. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. What about the .357 sig? IIRC one of its major advantages to law enforcement was penetrating car windows and doors. Its not a super heavy bullet. Same with the 50g TSX. At least in Roberts' tests the .40 fared better than the 357 SIG in auto glass penetration. |
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. You forgot "snappy" 13er. |
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Those are all valid points.
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Because they may need to shoot through automobile glass or other intermediate barriers where .40 S&W offers superior penetration with less deflection and 16 rounds in the gun is plenty of ammunition without a reload. |
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At least in Roberts' tests the .40 fared better than the 357 SIG in auto glass penetration. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. What about the .357 sig? IIRC one of its major advantages to law enforcement was penetrating car windows and doors. Its not a super heavy bullet. Same with the 50g TSX. At least in Roberts' tests the .40 fared better than the 357 SIG in auto glass penetration. From what I have heard, the Texas Highway Patrol (DPS) chose the 357sig because it penetrated windshields better than any other round. They wanted a bullet that would perform well in that area so that troopers could shoot through their windshields. They have since found a 9mm bullet they are happy with. They would have 9mm M&Ps had they not started failing during the academy. |
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Most 3 letter agencies issue the .40's but there are 9 and 45's on most of the approved lists as well. What kinds of guns do FBI agents use? Agents carry Bureau-issued or approved handguns and may be issued additional equipment as needed. Those in specialized areas like the Hostage Rescue Teams may also be issued weapons that fit their duties. Agents are allowed to carry personal weapons, provided they do not violate the policies regarding firearms. Unless otherwise instructed, agents are required to be armed at all times. |
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Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. if only that were true. ar-jedi |
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Old adage about the popo: See that cop? See that pen in his pocket? See that gun on his belt? If you think he can fuck you up with that gun, wait until he whips out that pen. |
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At least in Roberts' tests the .40 fared better than the 357 SIG in auto glass penetration. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Bullets with more mass have better barrier penetration. That's a good trait when you need to shoot at people that are behind things. What about the .357 sig? IIRC one of its major advantages to law enforcement was penetrating car windows and doors. Its not a super heavy bullet. Same with the 50g TSX. At least in Roberts' tests the .40 fared better than the 357 SIG in auto glass penetration. Did anyone ever produce a 9mm bullet with stronger construction for the .357 Sig? I never loaded that caliber. |
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Quoted: wasn't the .40 developed by S&W to meet an FBI request? Quoted: Quoted: I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. wasn't the .40 developed by S&W to meet an FBI request? Yes. That request was that the 10mm made them all cry.
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. because they have a bigger schwantz .... |
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Quoted: If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted: Quoted: I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Same as why would anyone want to live in Floriduh?
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=bba2ac0f178480b6ce1c3922566274ea&tab=core&_cview=0 FeeBee has been issuing 9mm sidearms to a lot of agents for a while...and has been having enough problems with their .40 caliber Glocks to want to go another way. The .40 caliber Glocks have never worked very well, not even for the FBI. AFAIK FBI regional SWAT is still using Springfield 1911's. |
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If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. You have to be joking. The United States government isn't choosing cartridges based on cost. |
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Same as why would anyone want to live in Floriduh? Quoted:
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I remember reading that this may soon change as they consider a switch back to 9mm. If they are smart they will. 40 = more recoil = slower follow up shots 40 = less rounds 40 = more expensive ammo Why anyone would buy a 40 or 45 or 10mm for defense doesn't make sense to me. Same as why would anyone want to live in Floriduh?
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