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6/16/2014 10:18:01 AM EDT
Next in my Devil's Advocate series of questions on the ethics and morality of war is this one from NTC:

1. If your battle buddy stops a round and checks out on you in the middle of an engagement, is it ok to prop up his mortal remains in such a way that he and his armor protect you while you return fire?

2.  If you saw someone using his fallen comrade as a shield, would you think less of him or would you applaud his tenacity?  





Question inspired by an OC at NTC who zapped me with his God gun when he observed me firing from behind a (notionally) deceased teammate.  I argued that any extra stuff between me and incoming is good, and that my dead battle buddy had taken one bullet for me and wouldn't be any deader if he took a few more.  


The OC was not amused.  







What says the hive?
6/16/2014 10:19:19 AM EDT
[#1]
Your solution is logical.  He's already dead - I'm sure he won't care.
6/16/2014 10:20:11 AM EDT
[#2]
War is ugly but you win if you live. You aren't defiling the body for anger purposes so LOLW shouldn't matter. Do what you need to to survive.
6/16/2014 10:20:53 AM EDT
[#3]
Didn't a medic in Saving Private Ryan prop up a fallen soldier to protect one he was trying to save?

If it happened in a movie, it's ok for real life.
6/16/2014 10:23:09 AM EDT
[#4]
Training notes:

It is difficult to aim your M16 when using a laughing  battle buddy's helmet (still on his head) as a rifle rest.  Tell him to STFU and act dead.  That's what I did.  
6/16/2014 10:23:37 AM EDT
[#5]
Shitty thing to have happen, but war is really shitty all around. If it means you can manage to survive your fallen buddy is still helping you out. He's already dead but he can still enable others to live if the shit hits the fan hard enough to break it off the ceiling.
6/16/2014 10:24:14 AM EDT
[#6]
If the only cover you have is a dead body, then you should be looking for other cover and moving towards it, IMO. But I guess if that's truly all you got, then roll with it.
6/16/2014 10:25:08 AM EDT
[#7]
I would EXPECT my partner to use me as a bullet stop if I had cashed in.

I just hope he made sure I was really dead first.
6/16/2014 10:25:17 AM EDT
[#8]
If it were my body, I would give you my blessing to use me as cover.
6/16/2014 10:26:39 AM EDT
[#9]
I would hope, if I were KIA, that my friends would use my body as cover if that were the only thing available to them.
It's not like it might make me MORE dead.
If I can contribute to the fight even after I am departed, I'm good with it.
6/16/2014 10:29:01 AM EDT
[#10]
Yeah, I'm with the majority. If I was most certainly dead, I wouldn't want my friends to kick just because of some silly moral objection.
6/16/2014 10:29:36 AM EDT
[#11]
I have no military experience, and give my thanks to those who have honorably served.

If I were to die in some violent event, and friends/family/battle buddy were able to use my body as some protection that enabled them to live, I'd like to think my spirit would smile down (or up) at them. If my death afforded them a chance at life, then it was not in vain.
6/16/2014 10:29:55 AM EDT
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I would hope, if I were KIA, that my friends would use my body as cover if that were the only thing available to them.
It's not like it might make me MORE dead.
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That's what I figured.
6/16/2014 10:30:22 AM EDT
[#13]
Actually, if doing so saved your life, then the fallens death was not in vain. Post mortem hero if you will. Just try to bring him home afterwards.
6/16/2014 10:32:12 AM EDT
[#14]
Sounds like one of those things that would be frowned on in training (for morale reasons I'd guess) but less so in actual combat. For practical purposes if that's all you've got use it but if the enemy got zeroed in on your battle buddy it stands to reason they would be zeroed in on you too, so getting out of the area should be a high priority...

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6/16/2014 10:33:09 AM EDT
[#15]
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Your solution is logical.  He's already dead - I'm sure he won't care.
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If he could care he would tell you to do it.
6/16/2014 10:35:18 AM EDT
[#16]
If I were to catch a round and be dead but my body could help win the fight or protect the people I was in the fight with then I would feel very honored to know that even though I was gone my body was able to help take down a few more of the bastards who killed me.
6/16/2014 10:36:05 AM EDT
[#17]
They would have my permisson to use me as they wish.....eat me also
6/16/2014 10:36:35 AM EDT
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I just hope he made sure I was really dead first.
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so, not like this then?


6/16/2014 10:37:58 AM EDT
[#19]
Would you use the local women and children as human shields?

6/16/2014 10:38:01 AM EDT
[#20]
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6/16/2014 10:38:50 AM EDT
[#21]
Do what you have to do.


I will not haunt you over it
6/16/2014 10:39:01 AM EDT
[#22]
OC was a fag.
6/16/2014 10:39:21 AM EDT
[#23]
I'm pretty sure the Marquess of Queensbury never got shot at.

6/16/2014 10:40:06 AM EDT
[#24]
I remember reading in Korea around Chosen, they would stack the dead up and make for lack of a better word "bunker improvements" as the bodies had frozen stiff.
6/16/2014 10:40:30 AM EDT
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Has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.



And obviously not, as it violates the LOLW.



 
6/16/2014 10:40:45 AM EDT
[#26]
If you're sure I'm dead, use my sack of bones as a bullet stop or Weekend At Bernie's style platoon mascot for all I care.
6/16/2014 10:41:06 AM EDT
[#27]
War is Hell.  Get used to it.
6/16/2014 10:41:20 AM EDT
[#28]
Why not? As long as you make sure he's really dead first.
6/16/2014 10:41:29 AM EDT
[#29]
If it's life or death at that point use the body. Otherwise you will be dead also....
6/16/2014 10:41:32 AM EDT
[#30]
Why is this even a question?
6/16/2014 10:43:21 AM EDT
[#31]
i would say go for it if i was dead and it might save the life of a buddy.  i highly doubt it would work though.
6/16/2014 10:45:04 AM EDT
[#32]
You can always write a letter to the family after the battle saying how Johnny Recondo saved your life, you dont need to explain he was already dead. Family could feel better about sons sacrifice.
6/16/2014 10:45:08 AM EDT
[#33]
Fredericksburg.
6/16/2014 10:46:05 AM EDT
[#34]
Some OCs are just assholes...I was an augmentee OC at JRTC for a month and if it made sense based on the given situation I'd pretty much say do whatever it takes to repel the initial attack and find the best cover you can in that moment.  If that means taking cover behind your fallen buddy then so be it...why the fuck would you want to create two casualties for your SQD to EVAC?

I hate miles gear by the way
6/16/2014 10:46:56 AM EDT
[#35]
your battle buddy would want you to use him after death to survive yourself.
6/16/2014 10:48:18 AM EDT
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6/16/2014 10:48:47 AM EDT
[#37]
He was only mostly dead.

6/16/2014 10:50:12 AM EDT
[#38]
Better to use your enemy's living body...

6/16/2014 10:51:47 AM EDT
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Are they dead?
6/16/2014 10:52:43 AM EDT
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If I were to catch a round and be dead but my body could help win the fight or protect the people I was in the fight with then I would feel very honored to know that even though I was gone my body was able to help take down a few more of the bastards who killed me.
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This guy gets it.
6/16/2014 10:54:12 AM EDT
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Never in the Military...but that makes sense to me.    Hell, I'd expect my buddies to eat me if they were surrounded and cut off from provisions....probably even keep a bottle of Sriracha around in that event.
6/16/2014 10:54:16 AM EDT
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Are they dead?


Probably more effective if alive.   It might get you out of a tight jam.

6/16/2014 10:54:28 AM EDT
[#43]
...leave a live grenade under me if you have to leave me
6/16/2014 10:54:54 AM EDT
[#44]
Pvt. Church: "All right, that's it. I swear to God, Caboose, your ass is haunted. When we're done here, I'm going to haunt you."
6/16/2014 10:55:03 AM EDT
[#45]
Not/never been in the military.

If I was dead and my body could be used as cover to save my buddies, I'd have no problem with it.
6/16/2014 10:55:21 AM EDT
[#46]
If I were dead, I would welcome any of my comrades-in-arms to use my worthless, broken vessel to shield themselves.
6/16/2014 10:57:12 AM EDT
[#47]
I'd want my battle buddy to consume my dead flesh for nourishment during the fire fight.
6/16/2014 10:59:32 AM EDT
[#48]
Of course. He's dead Jim.
6/16/2014 11:00:49 AM EDT
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6/16/2014 11:00:51 AM EDT
[#50]
If i'm already dead, and my carcass might save your ass you BETTER use it and kill who ever killed me.
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