[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LOCKTHREAD (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/9/2014 9:29:15 AM EDT
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LOCK THREAD DRINKPOSTINGBAD NFA, Hughes Amendment, and all that's gone over night. You walk into a store to buy a gun, you have $1230 to spend free and clear the funds are not needed you saved them to buy a new gun. Gun A : select fire M16, Safe, semi, F/A. $1200 Gun B : AR 15, Safe, semi. $1200 What would you buy? Yea i never wanted to talk about the novelty even if i failed at making that clear, i was wanting to talk about the full on retardation of the people that say silly things like "I have to use for it so even if there was no NFA i wouldn't have it on my gun's" as if a gun with F/A would ONLY shoot F/A. Yea right now do to the NFA F/A IS a novelty, if there was no NFA F/A would just be a function of a gun you bought. What is it with people and F/A is just a novelty or other such crap saying's. See, its clearly the NFA that makes people dissmiss F/A, i dont think there is one persion on here that if they could buy a F/A M16 and slap one of the high end F/A Geissele trigger packs in it they would not do it. What is it with people that say F/A is just a novelty or other such crap saying's, every time someone brings it up. Then they turn around and flip shit if a fudd where to say " I Don't see i need for an AR15 so i don't care." This is from the most resent post i have seen knocking F/A fire. No. Full auto and anything simulating full auto is more of a novelty than actually something being useful to me. Then one of the DUMBEST reasons a guy has said he wouldn't want a M16 on this very site, as if you would HAVE to use only F/A if you had it. I Wouldn't want a M16 because it wastes to much ammo. It seams as if people that don't have a use for a part or type of gun, don't care about it at all, this is something that needs to be addressed in the gun community as a hole, its the same logic that allows the gun grabbers to slowly chip away at gun right's. Edit: clearly i failed at making this thread so now every ones thinking about the current 20k M16's and not about if F/A only a tax stamp away. |
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Because spending 15-20k on it, to not use it except for 1 mag when showing it off to a buddy.... Makes it a novelty 
ETA: like owning a canon  Im talking of if the NFA was gone people STILL post crap in threads about it. Saying THAT's why getting the NFA gone is a waste of time. |
, then I got to fire belt-fed and happy switch.
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Dismissing F/A makes it easier to bear existence without F/A. Or, accepting that fact that you're way better off by spending the money on a good semi auto, a good suppressor, IR laser, IR torch, weapon light, a PVS-14 and a boat load of mags and ammo is a way better investment than finding a M16A1. ETA: And formal training on using NODs and your weapons effectively. |
| There's a difference in saying a firearm has no practical use for yourself, versus saying someone shouldn't be able to own one. The firearm enthusiast is evaluating the gun's usefulness for themselves, the Fudd is making a case for legislation banning possession of the gun for everyone. |
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Im talking of if the NFA was gone people STILL post crap in threads about it. Saying THAT's why getting the NFA gone is a waste of time. Quoted:
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Because spending 15-20k on it, to not use it except for 1 mag when showing it off to a buddy.... Makes it a novelty
ETA: like owning a canon Im talking of if the NFA was gone people STILL post crap in threads about it. Saying THAT's why getting the NFA gone is a waste of time. Full auto is a novelty, in the sense that unless you're using it for suppressive fire it has no practical purpose aside form having fun. Nothing wrong with having fun, but it's not practical. Like a pro-street car with 1000hp that gets 1 mile to the gallon of special hi octane race gas. No one is saying "We shouldn't repeal the NFA." We're saying "Incrementalism works, so we should focus on the most useful things first." Conceal carry laws, castle doctrine, stand your ground, suppressors, SBR/SBS etc. I think it'd be cool to be able to legally own a 155mm arty piece, but it's hardly the most urgent place to put our lobbying dollars. |
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Because it is a novelty. It's extremely expensive for a range toy that burns through ammo extremely fast, and it doesn't really have a practical use. Even the military avoids sustained FA fire in most cases, because 99.9% of the time, soldiers will be more effective with short, accurate bursts of fire.
If you've shot more than mag or two through an MG, you'll realize how quickly the novelty wears off, and you're just pumping money down range. The rest of your rant doesn't really make sense. There's a big difference between someone saying "FA has no practical purpose" and someone saying "They should ban AR-15s because I don't need one"...... 
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clearly i failed at making this thread so now every ones thinking about the current 20k M16's and not about if F/A only a tax stamp away. Even if you could buy a select fire MG off the shelf for $1,000, noone would use them. Unless 5.56mm ammo starts magically growing out of the ground, it's still a pointless feature. With current ammo prices, you're burning through $10 of ammo in under 3 seconds.... |
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This is my slide fire 9mm suppressed SBR.
You can tell from my smile that it is fun as all heck. But...this 4 seconds cost me $10. I barely shoot it. I certainly would not pay thousands and thousands and thousands for a "legitimate" full auto. Unless I had cash coming out of my butt. 
http://youtu.be/rWOJMNlVhDM 
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clearly i failed at making this thread so now every ones thinking about the current 20k M16's and not about if F/A only a tax stamp away. If you think people would be making the same comments if an m16 was only $899 +$200 tax stamp, then I will say you are wrong |
| I own a few FA's and you know what happens to them most of the time they sit in my safe collecting dust because to go out to the range (one that allows FA at that) and to blow 500 rounds in 10 mins is totally awesome but it leaves you at the end of the day with no real skill learned and down 500 rounds that will cost almost $200 to replace. |
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unless F/A is in the form of a medium/heavy machine gun it is pretty damn pointless in a rifle or carbine.
Fun? fuck yes Practical or useful ? fuck no worth the cost to play the game in the civilian world? Nope Something like a shrike beltfed upper with a good geissele trigger would be much much more useful than an M16 IMO. Good accurate single shot ability and quick enough for suppression if needed all while having a nice high capacity without reloading. |
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See, its clearly the NFA that makes people shit of F/A, i dont think there is one persion on here that if they could buy a F/A M16 and slap one of the high end F/A Geissele trigger packs in it they would not do it. I could (and did), and I still maintain that it's a novelty. I bought a post sample converted lower for $300. Shot it about 200 rounds, and the novelty wore off. It's just an expensive noise maker. We now use it for demos and it's only around so other people can try one out. It's fun for a couple of magazines, but after that, you start to realize that you're just wasting money. If F/A could be purchased over the counter, I still wouldn't bother with it. Again, that's not saying that it should be banned, or cost $20k. If you want to dump ammo down range really fast, then go for it. I'm just saying that there's no point to it, and it is most certainly a novelty. |
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Agree. Until MG's are affordable, they're just novelties. Quoted:
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Because spending 15-20k on it, to not use it except for 1 mag when showing it off to a buddy.... Makes it a novelty Agree. Until MG's are affordable, they're just novelties. Even then, they're a bit of a novelty. It's fun to rip through thirty magazines in five minutes with your friends, until you have to replace the ammo you just shot. I might own one if they were reasonably priced, but ammunition limits how much fun can be had. |
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There isn't much practical use for suppresive fire other then in battle. Full auto are loads of fun though. I guess it depends on the NFA item as to how much of a novelty it is.
If we are picking CQB weapons for real world use I would pick a semi-auto AR-15 over a 9mm full auto or select fire subgun. I don't think a Serbu Super Shorty 12 ga. shotgun is anything other than a novelty though. |
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Even then, they're a bit of a novelty. It's fun to rip through thirty magazines in five minutes with your friends, until you have to replace the ammo you just shot. I might own one if they were reasonably priced, but ammunition limits how much fun can be had. Quoted:
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Because spending 15-20k on it, to not use it except for 1 mag when showing it off to a buddy.... Makes it a novelty Agree. Until MG's are affordable, they're just novelties. Even then, they're a bit of a novelty. It's fun to rip through thirty magazines in five minutes with your friends, until you have to replace the ammo you just shot. I might own one if they were reasonably priced, but ammunition limits how much fun can be had. Exactly, but here's a better way to spend that money, as I said above: Or, accepting that fact that you're way better off by spending the money on a good semi auto, a good suppressor, IR laser, IR torch, weapon light, a PVS-14 and a boat load of mags and ammo is a way better investment than finding a M16A1. ETA: And formal training on using NODs and your weapons effectively. I'd rather have the knowledge to use my preferred weapon, and be able to fight effectively at night rather than going "HERP DERP lerk at me spray lead at papers DERP." |
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Agree. Until MG's are affordable, they're just novelties. Quoted:
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Because spending 15-20k on it, to not use it except for 1 mag when showing it off to a buddy.... Makes it a novelty Agree. Until MG's are affordable, they're just novelties. Wait until you see the prices in 20 years from now. Buying guns is like a stock market. How much could have you sold your AR at the beginning of 2013? I knew a guy that bought a Colt M16 in 1984/85 for around $5-600. He sold it later on for $14,000 |
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My dads best friend(and father of one of my good friends) was a big time NFA dealer/armored vehicle collector. I grew up mag dumping almost every weekend of my youth, and have probably put more rounds down range that most people.
As crazy at it sounds, FA no longer excites me. I understand how the very limited utility of it in the roles I use a rifle for make it worse than useless, in that for what I would spend for something useless I could buy a fuck ton of useful gear. If there was no NFA and the price was the same I'd buy it just because. But not for any appreciable price difference, because I'm completely burnt the Fuck out of any novelty it may have once possessed. My guns are tools. No reason to spend 30X as much for one tool that offers a function I simply don't use. |
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If FA were widely available think of the market growth in the neckbeard community.
I was in Las Vegas last June. Had a chance to rent a shoot a Ma Deuce at Pro gun. At 600 rounds per minute and a $250 rental fee, I figured I could have a minute of fun or feed my wife and myself for almost a year. Do I think people need to own fully automatic weapons? No Do I favor laws restricting them? No. Other than a good background check. |
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Quoted: Or, accepting that fact that you're way better off by spending the money on a good semi auto, a good suppressor, IR laser, IR torch, weapon light, a PVS-14 and a boat load of mags and ammo is a way better investment than finding a M16A1. ETA: And formal training on using NODs and your weapons effectively. Quoted: Quoted: Dismissing F/A makes it easier to bear existence without F/A. Or, accepting that fact that you're way better off by spending the money on a good semi auto, a good suppressor, IR laser, IR torch, weapon light, a PVS-14 and a boat load of mags and ammo is a way better investment than finding a M16A1. ETA: And formal training on using NODs and your weapons effectively. Obviously this word has a different meaning for you than most people. My FA stuff has been some of the best investments I've ever made, even when compared to stocks during the .com boom. If I'd been born a generation eariler, I'd be retired, shooting the half of the FA stuff I didn't sell to fund my retirement. My kids may have that option with my stuff, if nothing changes with the NFA before then. More likely, though, they'll be forced to turn them in at some point. Now, if you'd said "practical" or something similar, I'd probably agree. Still, nothing puts grins on faces like FA, except maybe tannerite. |
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See, its clearly the NFA that makes people shit of F/A, i dont think there is one persion on here that if they could buy a F/A M16 and slap one of the high end F/A Geissele trigger packs in it they would not do it. well bless your heart. select fire weapons are a great way to turn money into noise. they serve no practical use UNLESS you are suppressing enemy movement or providing cover for your troopers. what that means fior me is: novelty. kinda like a really cool dirt bike in the city. useless and cool is still useless. |
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Why are we stuck on the usefulness of it?
There select fire for a reason. Want to have fun, F/A Want to train and do your other thing, flip the fucking switch and do it. Is it that hard to understand? So, F/A is fun and has its place, now if only you guys would start dog piling every one that posts, " I don't have a use for F/A so i don't care that its banned" we could start making progress on getting EVERY gun to haev a happy switch on it so if the felling strikes you you could flip it and blast away. |
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Quoted: See, its clearly the NFA that makes people shit of F/A, i dont think there is one persion on here that if they could buy a F/A M16 and slap one of the high end F/A Geissele trigger packs in it they would not do it. You seem 'familiar.' Or English is your third language. Or you are on the left side of the IQ bell curve. |
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Why are we stuck on the usefulness of it? Because you started this thread bitching about people calling it a novelty. So we're pointing out that it's a novelty. No one but you is saying we don't care if it's banned. I don't think things that are novelties should be banned, but I also don't get butthurt when people point out that they are novelties. |
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Wait until you see the prices in 20 years from now. Buying guns is like a stock market. How much could have you sold your AR at the beginning of 2013? I knew a guy that bought a Colt M16 in 1984/85 for around $5-600. He sold it later on for $14,000 Quoted:
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Because spending 15-20k on it, to not use it except for 1 mag when showing it off to a buddy.... Makes it a novelty Agree. Until MG's are affordable, they're just novelties. Wait until you see the prices in 20 years from now. Buying guns is like a stock market. How much could have you sold your AR at the beginning of 2013? I knew a guy that bought a Colt M16 in 1984/85 for around $5-600. He sold it later on for $14,000 If the Hughes Amendment somehow went away, that Colt would be worth the same as any other Colt. It might even be worth less because the market is limited. |